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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#741 » by BringBackKorver » Wed May 19, 2010 1:15 am

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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#742 » by Mojo7 » Wed May 19, 2010 1:18 am

Now that we are on track to get Evan Turner, it makes me really interested to see what a coach like Collins can do with a superior all-around wing talent. Given Collins background(coaching Jordan, Pippen, Hill, Houston, Stackhouse, Jordan again, Stack again and Rip Hamilton), as well as his own playing career, he definitely becomes a good fit as a teacher/mentor, imo.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#743 » by freshie2 » Wed May 19, 2010 1:27 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Bring back 1983: I have to vehemently disagree when it comes to Lou Williams. He may have been the only Sixer that secured his spot on the roster for this year and beyond. Before the chin injury, Lou Williams was playing remarkable basketball, showing his talent and potential as a lead guard in the NBA.

Lou may have been a little inconsistent the rest of the way, but I don't think Lou had the job taken away from him by Jrue Holiday, more like I think management/ownership had to see what Jrue would give them. And eventually Jrue does give the intangibles that Lou doesn't.

But it's not like all Lou did was score. He kept his turnovers down as a starter, a big time question mark we had about him at the beginning of the season. Lou rebounded the ball and while Lou will probably never be a great playmaker, 5 AST is nothing to sneeze at either.

Lou's a very effective combo guard. And to get that at the 45th pick of the draft takes great grooming. I still think Lou can add more to his game. A breakdown dribble or two, he can work more on his point guard skills. Why are we so eager to get rid of Lou Williams? As if he's a cancerous turnover prone chucker?

Lou's a very efficient sixth man that can very easily start for a team in the NBA. You don't think Phil Jackson takes Lou Williams over Derek Old Man Fisher?

Lou's gonna be what, 23-24? It's not like he's hit the prime of his career yet. But he's extended into his prime and at a good 5 million dollars.

Trade Lou? Only for a serious upgrade 83.



Your posts are too long read it all...if you are saying Lou is a high energy, instant offense guard off the bench (i.e. Vinnie Johnson), then I'm OK with it. That being said, Lou is a luxury right now as Lou, Evan, Iguodala can all play with the ball in their hands, so a smallish scorer who isn't very strong defensively isn't something you need to hold onto. Looking at the importance of defense and rebounding in the playoffs, pairing Lou/Speights in a trade to get an upgraded singular piece is something they need to consider.

Collins or Mitchell...not sure either is exciting me right now, but I'll live with the Turner euphoria for now.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#744 » by The Guilty Party » Wed May 19, 2010 1:45 am

I wish TNT was calling tonight's game just because I'd love to hear the giddiness in Collins voice now that he knows that the TWO biggest needs for the Sixers (go-to guy/SG) just got solved with the lottery.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#745 » by dond » Wed May 19, 2010 2:16 am

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dond wrote:In my opinion, the "Safe" choice for Stefanski is Mitchell. Mitchell will be a team player and shoulder much of the blame if things do not go right. Collins, on the other hand, will be very pompous and conduct himself as someone who knows everything and is doing everything "HE CAN" do help this team win. So, if they do not win it is someone else fault, not his. And that "someone else" is going to have to be Stefanski. Now, that may be best for the Sixers organization, but not for Stefanski.


I don't think you've watch much of Sam Mitchell's post game comments...not once did I hear him taking responsibility for any losses.


You are absolutely correct. My comment was based primarily on my take on Collins' position on things. If Mitchell is no better, then Stefanski is in a no-win situation ... if the Sixers keep losing, he will have to take the fall.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#746 » by PhillyFan » Wed May 19, 2010 2:37 am

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dond wrote:In my opinion, the "Safe" choice for Stefanski is Mitchell. Mitchell will be a team player and shoulder much of the blame if things do not go right. Collins, on the other hand, will be very pompous and conduct himself as someone who knows everything and is doing everything "HE CAN" do help this team win. So, if they do not win it is someone else fault, not his. And that "someone else" is going to have to be Stefanski. Now, that may be best for the Sixers organization, but not for Stefanski.


I don't think you've watch much of Sam Mitchell's post game comments...not once did I hear him taking responsibility for any losses.


You are absolutely correct. My comment was based primarily on my take on Collins' position on things. If Mitchell is no better, then Stefanski is in a no-win situation ... if the Sixers keep losing, he will have to take the fall.


I agree. Even if Collins is the right hire, I don't have much faith in Stefanski. We will see though since we got the #2 pick :D
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Post#747 » by PhilasFinest » Wed May 19, 2010 4:52 am

I'm sold on Collins as the hire and Turner as our pick unless wall falls.

It's up to Stiff to attempt to retool now... With a coach who has a clue and a young promising backcourt of Holiday/Turner to build around rather than a core of iguodala lwill and brand.
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Post#748 » by fierceCRT » Wed May 19, 2010 5:45 pm

I bet Marc Jackson feels dumb now. Hand down man down :D
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#749 » by ZzAzZ » Wed May 19, 2010 5:48 pm

I cannot stand Marc Jackson after that, I hope he never gets a job. Who in their right mind is that desperate for a job and then turns one down that actually isn't even that bad compared to some others. Does he think he's going to take over for Phil Jackson next year?
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Post#750 » by PhilasFinest » Wed May 19, 2010 5:54 pm

on WIP Stiff said that collins is a "serious" candidate.
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Post#751 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 19, 2010 6:45 pm

These are scenarios I don't want to see:

- Trade down with Minnesota.
- Trade out of the pick altogether.
- Pass on Turner because they value a bigman higher.

We're in a prime position to add an elite SG prospect that not only scores the ball, but does everything. Evan Turner is as close to a franchise player there is in this draft behind Wall. Only a terrible organization would wind up not selecting him. Let's pray that we aren't going to be that organization.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#752 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Wed May 19, 2010 6:54 pm

Now all of a sudden Turner's a franchise player?
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Post#753 » by sixerfan1976 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:55 pm

pretty good chance that he becomes hte best player on the team within the next few years. He is very good
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#754 » by ZzAzZ » Wed May 19, 2010 6:57 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Now all of a sudden Turner's a franchise player?


He said the closest thing to one in the draft, after Wall. I can see how you got what you just said from that though.
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Post#755 » by PhillyFan » Wed May 19, 2010 7:37 pm

he is just surprised not everyone believes Lou Will or Thad Young are the face of our franchise. In his mind, they are the only 2 "beasting" out there on the court
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Post#756 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Wed May 19, 2010 7:53 pm

2-dimensional players, two-dimensional. Thad has shown us a two-dimensional game.And I don't think Lou's that half bad on the defensive end. Iguodala on the other hand is far from a two-dimensional player. He's borderline average. Turner's looking nice though.
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Post#757 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 19, 2010 7:54 pm

PhillyFan wrote:he is just surprised not everyone believes Lou Will or Thad Young are the face of our franchise. In his mind, they are the only 2 "beasting" out there on the court


It baffles me that people don't block him. He's the biggest troll I've ever seen.
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Post#758 » by ZzAzZ » Wed May 19, 2010 7:56 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:2-dimensional players, two-dimensional. Thad has shown us a two-dimensional game.And I don't think Lou's that half bad on the defensive end. Iguodala on the other hand is far from a two-dimensional player. He's borderline average. Turner's looking nice though.


I see what's going on here. He's like one of those phony characters that is supposed to fool you into actually thinking he believes what he says. Like the Stephen Colbert of Sixers fans.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#759 » by ITK9 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:56 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:2-dimensional players, two-dimensional. Thad has shown us a two-dimensional game.And I don't think Lou's that half bad on the defensive end. Iguodala on the other hand is far from a two-dimensional player. He's borderline average. Turner's looking nice though.


iguodala is ten times better them both of them combined.hell..i i even think he can beat them playing 1 vs 2 at one basket.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Collins, Mitchell, Johnson Get 2nd Int. 

Post#760 » by ITK9 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:59 pm

I prefer Mitchel over Collins because Iliked a lot what he said about Sammy and Iggy.

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