Embiid Updates/Discussion

ProcessDoctor · Post #741 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:02 am

The 76ers should have an answer within a month.

http://www.theintell.com/sports/sixers/sixers-fans-play-waiting-game-with-embiid/article_181d43f5-3245-595b-bc9b-9a36c6b35d80.html

Looks like another month until we have our answer.

Post #742 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:04 am

sixers238 wrote:
The 76ers should have an answer within a month.

http://www.theintell.com/sports/sixers/sixers-fans-play-waiting-game-with-embiid/article_181d43f5-3245-595b-bc9b-9a36c6b35d80.html

Looks like another month until we have our answer.

Believe Tom is just reiterating what had already been said.

ProcessDoctor · Post #743 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:06 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
The 76ers should have an answer within a month.

http://www.theintell.com/sports/sixers/sixers-fans-play-waiting-game-with-embiid/article_181d43f5-3245-595b-bc9b-9a36c6b35d80.html

Looks like another month until we have our answer.

Believe Tom is just reiterating what had already been said.

A month seems longer than what O'neil originally said would be a couple weeks. Either way, it looks like it's going to take some time.

Post #744 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:07 am

sixers238 wrote:A month seems longer than what O'neil originally said would be a couple weeks. Either way, it looks like it's going to take some time.

Guesstimating. It'll come out when it does, doesn't really matter since we know he's not playing in Summer Leagues.

MRxBLACK · Post #745 » by **MRxBLACK** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:08 am

Hinkie said he expects Brown to do “a lot of experimenting” to figure out which two work best together in what situations. That's part of what the 2015-16 campaign is likely to be about, with the possibility that one of the "bigs" could be dealt at the February trade deadline or the 2016 draft in an effort to help start moving the franchise forward

Getting Okafor didn't help move the franchise forward?, cmon Tom.

ProcessDoctor · Post #746 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:25 am

MRxBLACK wrote:
Hinkie said he expects Brown to do “a lot of experimenting” to figure out which two work best together in what situations. That's part of what the 2015-16 campaign is likely to be about, with the possibility that one of the "bigs" could be dealt at the February trade deadline or the 2016 draft in an effort to help start moving the franchise forward

Getting Okafor didn't help move the franchise forward?, cmon Tom.

I can kinda see where he's coming from. We still don't really know who we are building around. Added talent, but the direction of the team is less clear now, IMO.

Edit: And it's not really Hinkie's fault, it's just what we have to work with. Most expected Okafor to go #2.

JordanMars · Post #747 » by **JordanMars** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:15 am

Freind of mines lawyer is boys with Joel and according to him surgery is not going to happen and Joel feels great.

Sportfan73 · Post #748 » by **Sportfan73** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

JordanMars wrote:Freind of mines lawyer is boys with Joel and according to him surgery is not going to happen and Joel feels great.

can you elaborate at all? What was actually up with the last scan

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PhilasFinest · Post #749 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:42 am

JordanMars wrote:Freind of mines lawyer is boys with Joel and according to him surgery is not going to happen and Joel feels great.

If this is truly the case, Im gonna say the Sixers are likely more worried about what they see in the scan than Embiid is.

Embiid probably says he feels great and wants to play despite something looking different, while our organization is probably worried he will re-injure it and wants to exhaust all options before giving him the green light to play.

They leak the report to cover there ass, sit him out of summer league and buy some time to get more opinions.
After a few more visits, They will sit down with Embiid with all the results and go over the best course of action.

Hopefully the course of action is something both parties agree with..if not, things could get interesting If 1 side wants to try and do more to correct the foot and the other wants to play.

Ericb5 · Post #750 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:39 pm

Since his problems have been stress fractures I wonder if the conditions that create those injuries will show up on a ctscan or mri before they happen.

So let's say he is cleared to play at the start of the season. They then scan him every month as a precaution. If they see the beginnings of a stress reaction then they hold him back a bit and monitor it.

Seems like that would be possible, but I don't know.

Either way he should be on a serious minutes restriction anyway once his career starts. Have him play 15-20 minutes a night and not on back to backs, and monitor him very closely.

Start Okafor.

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NightmanCometh · Post #751 » by **NightmanCometh** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:05 pm

Well, doesn't this totally suck. This kid has been through plenty. I cant imagine how frustrated the big guy must feel.

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GWPhilly34 · Post #752 » by **GWPhilly34** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:49 pm

Does anyone else see a strange correlation between the Jrue info being released on how poorly they handled his health that ultimately led to stress fractures in his leg and now being extra pro cautious with Joel?

Cost of a few experts opinions should be a lot less then the fines the NBA is imposing.

Post #753 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:11 pm

GWPhilly34 wrote:Does anyone else see a strange correlation between the Jrue info being released on how poorly they handled his health that ultimately led to stress fractures in his leg and now being extra pro cautious with Joel?

Cost of a few experts opinions should be a lot less then the fines the NBA is imposing.

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BobThornton · Post #754 » by **BobThornton** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:38 pm

Normal basketball activity degrades the bones in that area of his foot. Embiid may "feel great" and not notice it, but it's happening. I don't really understand how they solve that without surgery. You'd think more rest isn't going to help with the amount of time he's sat out already. If they can solve it, even with surgery, I couldn't care less if he misses this year. Just get it fixed.

PhilasFinest · Post #755 » by **PhilasFinest** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:15 pm

BobThornton wrote:Normal basketball activity degrades the bones in that area of his foot. Embiid may "feel great" and not notice it, but it's happening. I don't really understand how they solve that without surgery. You'd think more rest isn't going to help with the amount of time he's sat out already. If they can solve it, even with surgery, I couldn't care less if he misses this year. Just get it fixed.

This is what really worries me,Embiid is such a freak athletically. I mean he's what 250+lbs,7 feet tall, jumps out of the gym and runs the floor well. The force he generates when jumping is likely un comparable to the average joe.

On one hand, you kinda hope he doesn't get a 2nd surgery because its likely gonna hold him out another year and its just weakening the foot again. He's in prime developmental stages of his Basketball career, and would really suck for him to miss 2+ years of playing Basketball.How many guys have had that long off at a young age and came back to dominate?

On the other hand, you've gotta be worried if he doesn't get a 2nd surgery simply because the likelihood of him injuring his foot again if its not healed properly or 100% is probably pretty damn high when you consider how big and how much impact its taking so frequently. Every time the dude jumps (which is a lot) the foots taking a beating.Even if theres a small crack, or weak spot...its bound to breakdown over time.

We all knew this was a gamble, but the situation really sucks as it kinda feels like its a damned if you do,damned if you don't scenario.
I guess time will tell, hopefully we hear some news on his situation soon so we can all stop speculating and get a slightly clearer vision of "what could be" for our Sixers.

Chamberlainship · Post #756 » by **Chamberlainship** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:46 pm

BobThornton wrote:Normal basketball activity degrades the bones in that area of his foot. Embiid may "feel great" and not notice it, but it's happening. I don't really understand how they solve that without surgery. You'd think more rest isn't going to help with the amount of time he's sat out already. If they can solve it, even with surgery, I couldn't care less if he misses this year. Just get it fixed.

Reminds me a little of the book the Breaks of the Game about (in part) Walton's foot issues. (I'm not saying the two situation are identical.)

Playing basketball at a high level almost everyday of your adult life is not normal wear and tear on a foot.

bedjawII · Post #757 » by **bedjawII** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:00 pm

BobThornton wrote:Normal basketball activity degrades the bones in that area of his foot. Embiid may "feel great" and not notice it, but it's happening. I don't really understand how they solve that without surgery. You'd think more rest isn't going to help with the amount of time he's sat out already. If they can solve it, even with surgery, I couldn't care less if he misses this year. Just get it fixed.

I hear ya but I'm trying to be positive. Having had three major sports related injuries/surgeries I can tell you pain is the bodies primary way of telling you something is wrong. If Embiid is truly pain free that is the biggest indicator of his health. More so then an MRI or CT Scan. He may just have an abnormal foot. There's literally a dozen or so things that could be wrong. But not having pain is a very good sign so I am hanging my hat there.

bedjawII · Post #758 » by **bedjawII** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:03 pm

BobThornton wrote:Normal basketball activity degrades the bones in that area of his foot. Embiid may "feel great" and not notice it, but it's happening. I don't really understand how they solve that without surgery. You'd think more rest isn't going to help with the amount of time he's sat out already. If they can solve it, even with surgery, I couldn't care less if he misses this year. Just get it fixed.

I hear ya but I'm trying to be positive. Having had three major sports related injuries/surgeries I can tell you pain is the bodies primary way of telling you something is wrong. If Embiid is truly pain free that is the biggest indicator of his health. More so then an MRI or CT Scan. He may just have an abnormal foot. There's literally a dozen or so things that could be wrong. But not having pain is a very good sign so I am hanging my hat there.

ProcessDoctor · Post #759 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:08 pm

The presence or absence of pain is definitely not always indicative of any injury or pathology. Yes, Joel's foot is not bothering him, but that means nothing for the long-term. He's a 21 year-old eager to play basketball, so even if there was minor pain, I doubt he would even mention anything, and I don't blame him. Kid wants to play.

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Ericb5 · Post #760 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:31 pm

sixers238 wrote:The presence or absence of pain is definitely not always indicative of any injury or pathology. Yes, Joel's foot is not bothering him, but that means nothing for the long-term. He's a 21 year-old eager to play basketball, so even if there was minor pain, I doubt he would even mention anything, and I don't blame him. Kid wants to play.

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I understand that lack of pain doesn't mean a whole lot for future risk, but what I want to find out is whether or not the conditions that exist right before a stress fracture can be seen on an MRI.

If a stress fracture is really sort of a breaking point on a bone that is under stress, or more accurately, a bone undergoing a stress reaction, then shouldn't we be able to detect that condition before the bone breaks?

With Walton and Yao, they weren't being monitored like this before the injuries and done their damage.

If we can recognize the stress reaction before the injury happens, then we should be able to shut him down in time. Of course, if he is still getting those stress reactions all of the time then it will be hard to have a productive career.

His foot may be more resilient though once it fully heals. He does have another 4 months before the season starts.