Markelle Fultz Discussion

[JojoSlimbiid]

Davis won a national championship...

I could of sworn he was injured for that game. He wasn't, he just had a bad offensive game.

[eagereyez]

It warms my heart to see the Prokafor **** teammate excuse being re-used. Transformative talent shouldn't be able to beat down on the elite basketball programs of WSU and TCU, got it.

What kind of garbage is this?

I'm still hoping for answer as to what exactly AD and KAT did in college to warrant being labeled transformative outside of not winning a national championship with the most talented rosters in college basketball. I'll wait.

Not even gonna get into the fact that they really haven't done much in the league outside of put up good stats. Wouldn't say N.O or Minny are transformed but I'll save that topic for another day.

Davis and KAT played defense. They were elite two-way players. They would immediately improve UW's defense by a few standard deviations, whereas Fultz was very much a contributor to UW being one of the worst defenses in D1 basketball.

[cksdayoff]

It warms my heart to see the Prokafor **** teammate excuse being re-used. Transformative talent shouldn't be able to beat down on the elite basketball programs of WSU and TCU, got it.

What kind of garbage is this?

I'm still hoping for answer as to what exactly AD and KAT did in college to warrant being labeled transformative outside of not winning a national championship with the most talented rosters in college basketball. I'll wait.

Not even gonna get into the fact that they really haven't done much in the league outside of put up good stats. Wouldn't say N.O or Minny are transformed but I'll save that topic for another day.

Davis and KAT played defense. They were elite two-way players. They would immediately improve UW's defense by a few standard deviations, whereas Fultz was very much a contributor to UW being one of the worst defenses in D1 basketball.

Davis and KAT would probably always be the tallest players on the court, that would help them a lot, but then again Fultz got double teamed as soon as he touched the ball on a consistent basis. So Davis and KAT with no spacing on the floor, getting doubled, having to rely on Crisp to get them entry passes. I dunno about KAT, but Davis probably gets UW more wins. doubt they get a tournament birth tho

[PhilBlackson]

Yeah he's definitely not an AD or KAT. He didn't go to Kentucky and not win championships with a bunch of other 5* recruits.

I don't care if they won championships or not, KAT and Davis are superior players to Fultz, there's no shame in admitting that.

[LordCovington33]

I don't think so. The 76ers will be winning this season whether he plays well or not, so he won't have that much scrutiny. The team winning will save him that aggravation.

Not that I disagree with you about the team taking a big step up in wins, but this feels like you're kinda covering yourself from being wrong/protecting against Fultz being great. For example, if Fultz is playing amazing, are you going to think that his play still has no impact on the (hopefully) team's success?

I'm not covering myself. I hope he does contribute to the teams success in the season. All I've ever said is that Fultz wasn't one of the top 3 players in this draft, and trading up to get a lesser talent was stupid. I've said previously, I think Fultz has a ceiling of CJ McCollum, IMO. CJ McCollum is a very good player. That means I believe Fultz can be a very good player. I just wouldn't have picked Fultz in the top 3. I've been very consistent with that. Fultz could very well contribute to the success of this team and still not be as good as other players in this draft, and still not be worth (2) Top 5 picks. I don't need to cover myself for that.

If Fultz becomes a superstar, you and unbreakable are certainly going to have egg on your faces. Plenty of signature worthy quotes in the above comment alone.

[LordCovington33]

Davis and KAT would probably always be the tallest players on the court, that would help them a lot, but then again Fultz got double teamed as soon as he touched the ball on a consistent basis. So Davis and KAT with no spacing on the floor, getting doubled, having to rely on Crisp to get them entry passes. I dunno about KAT, but Davis probably gets UW more wins. doubt they get a tournament birth tho

Embiid, Simmons and Fultz all require double teaming. Beautiful days ahead. I am so excited about the season ahead.

[Negrodamus]

It warms my heart to see the Prokafor **** teammate excuse being re-used. Transformative talent shouldn't be able to beat down on the elite basketball programs of WSU and TCU, got it.

What kind of garbage is this?

I'm still hoping for answer as to what exactly AD and KAT did in college to warrant being labeled transformative outside of not winning a national championship with the most talented rosters in college basketball. I'll wait.

Not even gonna get into the fact that they really haven't done much in the league outside of put up good stats. Wouldn't say N.O or Minny are transformed but I'll save that topic for another day.

If my memory serves me, he swept the SEC award (DPOY, POY, Freshman of the year) and won POY in the NCAA. Oh, yea, he also won a national championship. He also broke the single season freshman block record which is 4th all time regardless of class.

[LloydFree]

Not that I disagree with you about the team taking a big step up in wins, but this feels like you're kinda covering yourself from being wrong/protecting against Fultz being great. For example, if Fultz is playing amazing, are you going to think that his play still has no impact on the (hopefully) team's success?

I'm not covering myself. I hope he does contribute to the teams success in the season. All I've ever said is that Fultz wasn't one of the top 3 players in this draft, and trading up to get a lesser talent was stupid. I've said previously, I think Fultz has a ceiling of CJ McCollum, IMO. CJ McCollum is a very good player. That means I believe Fultz can be a very good player. I just wouldn't have picked Fultz in the top 3. I've been very consistent with that. Fultz could very well contribute to the success of this team and still not be as good as other players in this draft, and still not be worth (2) Top 5 picks. I don't need to cover myself for that.

If Fultz becomes a superstar, you and unbreakable are certainly going to have egg on your faces. Plenty of signature worthy quotes in the above comment alone.

Everybody on this board has a sig-worthy quote related to the past 4 drafts. Exum, Julius Randle, Mudiay and Okafor covers just about every body.

[Unbreakable99]

Not that I disagree with you about the team taking a big step up in wins, but this feels like you're kinda covering yourself from being wrong/protecting against Fultz being great. For example, if Fultz is playing amazing, are you going to think that his play still has no impact on the (hopefully) team's success?

I'm not covering myself. I hope he does contribute to the teams success in the season. All I've ever said is that Fultz wasn't one of the top 3 players in this draft, and trading up to get a lesser talent was stupid. I've said previously, I think Fultz has a ceiling of CJ McCollum, IMO. CJ McCollum is a very good player. That means I believe Fultz can be a very good player. I just wouldn't have picked Fultz in the top 3. I've been very consistent with that. Fultz could very well contribute to the success of this team and still not be as good as other players in this draft, and still not be worth (2) Top 5 picks. I don't need to cover myself for that.

If Fultz becomes a superstar, you and unbreakable are certainly going to have egg on your faces. Plenty of signature worthy quotes in the above comment alone.

I'd happily accept getting egg on my face if Fultz turns into a superstar. It might not seem like it but I'm pulling for him like hell to be the best player in this class and the NBA. I wish for one day for Laker fans saying damn we should have tried to trade up even harder for Fultz. I want Ainge to say why did I trade the top pick.

[Arsenal]

Not sure why the anti-Fultz **** is going on here on the Sixers board. The guy put up huge numbers and shot extremely well in the summer league games he played in before the minor ankle injury. Just the Lonzo hype I guess with Fultz being out of sight out of mind.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Not sure why the anti-Fultz circlejerk is going on here on the Sixers board. The guy put up huge numbers and shot extremely well in the summer league games he played in before the minor ankle injury. Just the Lonzo hype I guess with Fultz being out of sight out of mind.

It's a vocal minority and contrarians who think they sound intelligent by going against the grain. There's some in every crowd.

It's like if you visit Rome with a group of friends and when you get there it's like "Ok, so we're ready to visit the colosseum and The Vatican, right? And one of your friends is like "Actually[as he takes his glasses off a furrows his brow] I heard there's this really cool golf course around here where Mussolini once hit a hole in one, I think that's that is the much more interest spot to visit." And everyone is like dude STFU, we're going to the colosseum.

[LordCovington33]

I'd happily accept getting egg on my face if Fultz turns into a superstar. It might not seem like it but I'm pulling for him like hell to be the best player in this class and the NBA. I wish for one day for Laker fans saying damn we should have tried to trade up even harder for Fultz. I want Ainge to say why did I trade the top pick.

I don't give a toss what their fans think, as long as they don't come here and force feed us their crap.

[Ericb5]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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[LloydFree]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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I wouldn't trade 2 top 5 picks for McCollum either.

[mithrandir17]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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I wouldn't trade 2 top 5 picks for McCollum either.

Well, it was a pick swap and probably a late lotto pick in 2019. We did not trade 2 top 5 picks for Fultz.

[76ciology]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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More athletic than McCullom, higher upside on defense, better on ISO and better playmaker. Fultz is just a better all around player with higher upside

Only thing they're similar are they are similarly sized perimeter scoring combo guard. Maybe you can also add a younger Eric Gordon? Pushing it further maybe SG version of Kyrie Irving and SG version of Steph Curry?

[Ericb5]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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I wouldn't trade 2 top 5 picks for McCollum either.

Either would I if that is what we knew we gave up and what we knew we got.

I'm not far away from your opinion on this deal. I liked Ball and Jackson both better than Fultz.

I am hoping we are giving up less than a second top five pick, and I think that Fultz is a stone perfect fit on this team, so I am giving him fit points too.

I think this team mostly goes where Embiid and Simmons take it anyway, so better fit with those guys is more meaningful to our success than talent in a vacuum.




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[eagereyez]

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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I wouldn't trade 2 top 5 picks for McCollum either.

Well, it was a pick swap and probably a late lotto pick in 2019. We did not trade 2 top 5 picks for Fultz.

I hope you're right.

[LordCovington33]

My expectation for Fultz is McCollum. If he doesn't get to that level, as the first overall pick, I'll be disappointed. I think his length, athleticism, and size combo gives him a higher ceiling than McCollum.

McCollum is a fair projection for Fultz in the general sense.

He has more talent than McCollum, and can be better, but he needs to be at least as good as him for the deal to be worth it, and I expect that he will be.


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I wouldn't trade 2 top 5 picks for McCollum either.

Lakers are expected to finish 6th last according to vegas, so a top 5 pick is not guaranteed. Plus, we have no idea how Sac will perform a year from now.

[76ciology]

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We are consolidating our assets to mold us into a winning. Josh Jackson and Porter won't lead us futher than what Fultz addition is to our team relative to what we have. They'll just put us on an endless rebuilding cycle.