Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Simmons25]

It doesn’t matter whether anyone liked the pick or not, this isn’t like drafting an injured Embiid and thinking he’s going to have a healthy career, or drafting 3 centers in a row and not knowing that someone was going to be devalued, those are kinda obvious.

This mess with Fultz, Nostradamus didn’t see coming, it’s one thing to not like a guy cause of his shot or defense or energy, it’s another thing way out there that a number 1 pick would change his shot, in the summer he was drafted, or that he changed it because of an injury and then to cover it up, and not acknowledge there is an issue.

Then again it is the group that wouldn’t give a straight answer about Bynum, then Embiids re break, or not healing, Jahs 12 month recovery from an 8 week surgery, Embiids knee injury lies, Jrues stress fracture lies, and a multi year tank where you ruin the value of two lottery picks by taking 3 guys that all play the same position, plus get a player that wastes two years in Europe and is useless unless his shot is falling, and when he does come over you start another un athletic guy from Europe who is also useless unless his shot falls as well.

Who knows, maybe the miracle is Fultz isn’t out for the year,....... Yet.

Someone on our Celtics board posted this ...

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Was Fultz hiding a shoulder injury prior to the draft already? Makes sense because it sounds like he shot terribly in the workouts for Boston and Philly.

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For a guy that was hiding shoulder injury prior to workout... he was shooting it pretty damn sweetly in the Summer League a week or two later. So I call BS on this one.

[ivysixer2000]

I am one of Colangelo's biggest critics. But I can't blame the front office.

Fultz knows how and when he hurt his shoulder. And he's not saying. Absolutely no reason for him to withhold it if he did it while participating in team activities. Every reason in the world not to disclose it if he hurt on his own doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing.

19 years old with a couple million dollars all of a sudden?

Williams, like a good representative, steps in front on what should be a simple issue, so that Fultz doesn't have to field questions and lie.

The Sixers are in the dark, and they have no incentive to pry for the real answer. Colangelo, like me, suspects he did it while engaging in some summer activity prohibited by their insurance carrier: dirtbike, motorcycle, waverunner, trampoline, e.g.

But the Sixers have no incentive to ask him directly. In fact, they could make money by NOT asking. It is in their best interest for Colangelo to play dumb and pretend he hurt it AFTER he changed his shot, so that if god forbid he gets shutdown, insurance picks up the tab, and Josh Harris saves/makes even more money.

Brett Brown is the only honest man in this whole scenario, and he says Fultz changed his shot over the summer and he doesn't know why. He said specifically that Fultz said he was trying new things. No way Brett Brown goes on to make up a fake conversation.
That is the truth, as far as he's concerned.

Plus, plus, Fultz camp would've refuted it then if Brett were lying.

As far as I'm concerned, Fultz hurt it between summer league and training camp, while he finally had the first time in his life to go nuts with a wad of cash, and he nor his camp has told the Sixers how and when it happened. If he tells Brown he changed it on his own and that his shoulder is just sore, then there is nothing Brett, the training staff or Colangelo can do at that point.

Until it becomes "painfully" obvious.

No one has lied. No one has told the truth, either.

Any story can be made up on here, but the truth is you don't have to know how he got hurt, nor do you know the truth so you can't assume anything.

If I'm going to listen to Brown, ask him why Embiid didn't get a play called for him or touch the ball at the end of that Houston game. See if he tells the truth there....honest, yeah right.

Keith Williams has known Fultz since he was 6, of course he will have Fultz's back. But he knows more about Fultz and what's going on with him more than anyone in this organization. If you think he is lying and being a 'good representative' thats up to you, but anyone that has known this kid since he was 6 isn't just a 'representative'. He was Fultz's trainer, mentor, and father figure.

I will say one thing, I have no reason to believe BB over Williams. None.....and you have no proof to state otherwise.

[James40]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-became-the-ugliest-most-confusing-debacle-in-the-nba/amp/

I put this story up before for a timeline, go to October 2nd;


Reporter: Are you comfortable with where his shot is at?

Brown: No, and so we're gonna get back on track. His heart is in the right place. All by himself, he pivoted out over the summer and tried to make it better and tweak it, and he's in a place right now where we're gonna try to remind him where his shot was and try to bring that back into probably more a tighter shot, bring his release point down a little bit, bring the ball closer to his body. We have a Team Markelle all around him to help

I don’t see the controversy here at all, this is Fultz’s shot according to BB. I don’t see a reason why he would lie, I’m not saying he wasn’t possibly mis-informed but it’s of no benefit to Brown to lie about Fultz’s shot.

[ivysixer2000]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-became-the-ugliest-most-confusing-debacle-in-the-nba/amp/

I put this story up before for a timeline, go to October 2nd;


Reporter: Are you comfortable with where his shot is at?

Brown: No, and so we're gonna get back on track. His heart is in the right place. All by himself, he pivoted out over the summer and tried to make it better and tweak it, and he's in a place right now where we're gonna try to remind him where his shot was and try to bring that back into probably more a tighter shot, bring his release point down a little bit, bring the ball closer to his body. We have a Team Markelle all around him to help

I don’t see the controversy here at all, this is Fultz’s shot according to BB. I don’t see a reason why he would lie, I’m not saying he wasn’t possibly mis-informed but it’s of no benefit to Brown to lie about Fultz’s shot.

Honestly, I don't see the controversy either and don't care how he got hurt, its not my business. Also, really don't care who is telling the truth or lying. All I know he is hurt right now, and I hope he gets healthy.

Fultz has already signed his contract, what reason does Williams have to lie? That can go both ways but at the end of the day we should be more concentrated on him getting healthy than some media useless drama.

[James40]

Agree, and he never should of been allowed to shoot those ft’s during a game, or as soon as he did, yank him out because that mess isn’t helping anyone.

Get his shoulder right and move on from there. We can’t change what happened, move on and learn something from it.

[smittybanton]

I am one of Colangelo's biggest critics. But I can't blame the front office.

Fultz knows how and when he hurt his shoulder. And he's not saying. Absolutely no reason for him to withhold it if he did it while participating in team activities. Every reason in the world not to disclose it if he hurt on his own doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing.

19 years old with a couple million dollars all of a sudden?

Williams, like a good representative, steps in front on what should be a simple issue, so that Fultz doesn't have to field questions and lie.

The Sixers are in the dark, and they have no incentive to pry for the real answer. Colangelo, like me, suspects he did it while engaging in some summer activity prohibited by their insurance carrier: dirtbike, motorcycle, waverunner, trampoline, e.g.

But the Sixers have no incentive to ask him directly. In fact, they could make money by NOT asking. It is in their best interest for Colangelo to play dumb and pretend he hurt it AFTER he changed his shot, so that if god forbid he gets shutdown, insurance picks up the tab, and Josh Harris saves/makes even more money.

Brett Brown is the only honest man in this whole scenario, and he says Fultz changed his shot over the summer and he doesn't know why. He said specifically that Fultz said he was trying new things. No way Brett Brown goes on to make up a fake conversation.
That is the truth, as far as he's concerned.

Plus, plus, Fultz camp would've refuted it then if Brett were lying.

As far as I'm concerned, Fultz hurt it between summer league and training camp, while he finally had the first time in his life to go nuts with a wad of cash, and he nor his camp has told the Sixers how and when it happened. If he tells Brown he changed it on his own and that his shoulder is just sore, then there is nothing Brett, the training staff or Colangelo can do at that point.

Until it becomes "painfully" obvious.

No one has lied. No one has told the truth, either.

Any story can be made up on here, but the truth is you don't have to know how he got hurt, nor do you know the truth so you can't assume anything.

If I'm going to listen to Brown, ask him why Embiid didn't get a play called for him or touch the ball at the end of that Houston game. See if he tells the truth there....honest, yeah right.

Keith Williams has known Fultz since he was 6, of course he will have Fultz's back. But he knows more about Fultz and what's going on with him more than anyone in this organization. If you think he is lying and being a 'good representative' thats up to you, but anyone that has known this kid since he was 6 isn't just a 'representative'. He was Fultz's trainer, mentor, and father figure.

I will say one thing, I have no reason to believe BB over Williams. None.....and you have no proof to state otherwise.

Not trying to convince you. Just stating what makes sense to me.

I praised Williams. My kids grew up in PG County as well. He's doing his best to cover for his man.

And to add to the list above, Williams, as you are aware, is a very good trainer who would never in a million years teach a kid to shoot like that, and has not said why he would ask Fultz to shoot like that. Quicker release, higher arc? Where and why did he think that unorthodox style would work?

Everyone is looking out for their interests, as they should. My interest is to make sense of it all.

i could be wrong. He could've simply changed his shooting form to one that makes him much worse, and injures his shoulder like no other player I know of in 40+ years of watching basketball. Looking at it that way speaks pretty poorly Williams, I think.

I prefer to think everyone is just doing what comes naturally. I get to like everyone moving forward!

[Except Bryan, of course. Get us Bledsoe on the cheap, and I'll shut up.]

[BNelley24]

Im as mad as anyone regarding this situation. In fact im actually really mad at Fultz. Feel strange saying this but I feel like the reason the FO sounds confused about this is because they truly arent 100% sure what is happening with him.

Anyway to the ppl saying they are questioning their fandom? That makes me think you arent a real fan. I have lived in philly my whole life all 4 major teams could go winless for 10 years straight and id still root for them because they represent my city. If you dont live here i guess i could sort of understand.

[KrazySixersD]

I dont live in philly but have been every bit as loyal as someone who does.. but when a team starts lying and hiding things to its fanbase, that is a problem.. obviously Im still here and probably couldnt change even if I wanted too as that isnt in me.. but going down apathy road I can do just fine.. as I said, Im a jags fan and prior to this year Ive lived in apathy for them for a decade

[Negrodamus]

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No Fultz for 2 games, but it seems Atlanta has been left open with them ruling out Holmes.

[Ericb5]

I dont live in philly but have been every bit as loyal as someone who does.. but when a team starts lying and hiding things to its fanbase, that is a problem.. obviously Im still here and probably couldnt change even if I wanted too as that isnt in me.. but going down apathy road I can do just fine.. as I said, Im a jags fan and prior to this year Ive lived in apathy for them for a decade

You are not loyal, as evidenced by your flailing and over the top negative reactions.

Loyalty requires giving them the benefit of the doubt, and not freaking out every time the boat rocks.

Caring about the team, and supporting the team are two different aspects of fandom. You only care about the team.




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[Ericb5]

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No Fultz for 2 games, but it seems Atlanta has been left open with them ruling out Holmes.

I’m glad that Fultz isn’t practicing either during this time. It will be interesting to see if anything changes when he returns to practicing, or if they will just bring him back straight into game play without practicing him first.

If it is really just soreness then you would think that rest would be good for him, even if it means taking a few weeks off.


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[76ciology]

Help me out here

1.) why do people act like fultz shot mechanic is NOT temporary when its CONFIRMED that its the injury that gas caused it?
2.) why can't Fultz be special if he has shown ability to be a 35-40% shooter from 3s?

[JojoSlimbiid]

He can't be special because he's Evan Turner. All the draft people liked him so he must be destined to fail. Our couch analysis > NBA scouts

[James40]

Has he had an MRI yet? If not, has the question been asked why or why not?

[LloydFree]

I was hoping Colangelo got fired specifically for trading up to get Fultz, but since that's not likely, I'll accept his firing due to too many PR fiascos like this.

[76ciology]

He can't be special because he's Evan Turner. All the draft people liked him so he must be destined to fail. Our couch analysis > NBA scouts

If Evan Turner can shoot and has elite size for his position, he'd be an allstar. Two way 20-5-5 wont be out of reach.

[Ericb5]

Has he had an MRI yet? If not, has the question been asked why or why not?

They said that he had a scan, and it was clean, but I don't know if that was specifically an MRI.

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[76ciology]

Has he had an MRI yet? If not, has the question been asked why or why not?

They said that he had a scan, and it was clean, but I don't know if that was specifically an MRI.

Scan like..

"Pull up your shirt's sleeves and let us literally take a look."

[Ericb5]

Help me out here

1.) why do people act like fultz shot mechanic is NOT temporary when its CONFIRMED that its the injury that gas caused it?
2.) why can't Fultz be special if he has shown ability to be a 35-40% shooter from 3s?

Number 1 is because a lot of people can't see beyond what is happening right now. Number 2 is debatable I think because not everyone thought that he could be special even though he was an excellent shooter in college.

"Special" also isn't a word that has a universal definition in this context. I mean, are CJ McCollum or Jrue Holliday special? In my mind they aren't, but Fultz can be like those guys and still be a great third banana on our team.

I would say that, in reality, what is currently going on with his shoulder, and shooting has nothing to do with his long term potential, and that whatever you thought about him as a prospect coming out of college should be what you think of him today.