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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#741 » by sixers hoops » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:15 pm

reese125 wrote:So the Sixers have decided to turn to the lottery page Tom? Awesome.


I think they believe this team is a 43 win, first-round exit team.

Miller or any of the midlevel players keep them in that same range of success. Maybe a few more wins, but same result.

Might as well play Jrue and Lou, save some money and long-term cap flexibility, and probably be better off for 2010-2011.

That is not a good message for 09-10, but if Lou, Jrue, Thad, Smith, and Speights develop because of their increase minutes this season, they'll (the organization) probably feel like taking this step back will send them two steps forward.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#742 » by tk76 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:55 pm

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That is not a good message for 09-10, but if Lou, Jrue, Thad, Smith, and Speights develop because of their increase minutes this season, they'll (the organization) probably feel like taking this step back will send them two steps forward.


Given there won't really be much cap space in 2011/12 it sounds more like taking a step back to eventually take a step forward. Either way they are and likely will remain middle of the pack. Any improvement will have to be through trades or internally. There will be no major signings for the foreseeable future- including after Sam/WG/Kapono expire. Unless there is a major change they will only have MLE money.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#743 » by Skates » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:05 pm

About the best they can hope for is to get as good of a draft pick as possible for next summer to package with some young players and expirings for a bigger name star, while getting the young guys they intend to keep a lot of experience and showcasing the others. I don't see them tanking it, but next year is definitely not a focus as far as winning goes, at least not in a contending sense.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#744 » by panacea » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:40 pm

tmoore wrote:Been asked why the Sixers would go into a rebuilding mode -- by not re-signing Miller or by (probably) not using the MLE one year after signing Brand to an $82 million contract. It's a reasonable question. From what I hear, Sixers were willing to trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline, but couldn't get anything worthwhile in return. With the cap and luxury tax declining this year and again in 2010, the Sixers have decided to turn the page to Williams/Holiday/vet-minimum salary PG.


sixers hoops wrote:That is not a good message for 09-10, but if Lou, Jrue, Thad, Smith, and Speights develop because of their increase minutes this season, they'll (the organization) probably feel like taking this step back will send them two steps forward.


I'm genuinely interested in how the sixers will market the team this year. tom - have you heard anything about that? or maybe that poster "sixersPR" can come in and shed some light on the situation.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#745 » by tk76 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:11 pm

panacea wrote:I'm genuinely interested in how the sixers will market the team this year. tom - have you heard anything about that? or maybe that poster "sixersPR" can come in and shed some light on the situation.


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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#746 » by Foshan » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:13 pm

tk76 wrote:
Sixers 2009/10, It's On!

...as in its on, so what else re you going to watch?


lol you win.
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Post#747 » by The Guilty Party » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:57 pm

tmoore wrote:Been asked why the Sixers would go into a rebuilding mode -- by not re-signing Miller or by (probably) not using the MLE one year after signing Brand to an $82 million contract. It's a reasonable question. From what I hear, Sixers were willing to trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline, but couldn't get anything worthwhile in return. With the cap and luxury tax declining this year and again in 2010, the Sixers have decided to turn the page to Williams/Holiday/vet-minimum salary PG.


Tom... with them going with an extremely young group of guys now, do you think Brand gets moved before his contract expires?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#748 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:40 pm

I don't think Brand will finish his contract here, but also don't believe he'll be traded for at least another year.

How's this for a 2009-10 slogan: Back to the old logo -- and back to the lottery ...
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Post#749 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:45 pm

On the other hand, the Sixers looked like they were headed to the lottery after trading Korver, only to play well with Young and make the playoffs. Of course, getting to the postseason and winning a round are two entirely different animals ...
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Post#750 » by The Guilty Party » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:46 pm

tmoore wrote:I don't think Brand will finish his contract here, but also don't believe he'll be traded for at least another year.

How's this for a 2009-10 slogan: Back to the old logo -- and back to the lottery ...


Sadly, this made me laugh because I think it's fairly accurate. Then again, I wasn't a fan of making the playoffs each year as a 7th or 8th seed. In this league, I think we're better off taking a couple of steps back in order to try and take a greater step forward.

I don't think I'll be shocked to see Brand moved next summer when a huge number of teams have lots of cap space and no players to spend it on. If Brand has a decent season but the Sixers are back in the lottery, I can envision him being dealt for a trade exception and a prospect next July.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#751 » by Louis Williams » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:26 pm

tmoore wrote:Been asked why the Sixers would go into a rebuilding mode -- by not re-signing Miller or by (probably) not using the MLE one year after signing Brand to an $82 million contract. It's a reasonable question. From what I hear, Sixers were willing to trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline, but couldn't get anything worthwhile in return. With the cap and luxury tax declining this year and again in 2010, the Sixers have decided to turn the page to Williams/Holiday/vet-minimum salary PG.


This is what I figured. People were saying it was Stefanski's fault that he didn't trade Miller, but it appears no one was interested in him.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#752 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:28 pm

"It's Willie time!" would be a good slogan.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#753 » by sixers hoops » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:44 pm

tk76 wrote:
Given there won't really be much cap space in 2011/12 it sounds more like taking a step back to eventually take a step forward. Either way they are and likely will remain middle of the pack. Any improvement will have to be through trades or internally.


As far as financially, I was referring to them having flexibility to use their midlevel when something better comes along or having the ability to re-sign their own players, which could be a concern with the luxury tax.

Agreed, hopefully their young players improve to increase the talent level of our team and the value of our trade assets.

I don't know how they are going to make the leap from a 45 win, 1 round team to a 55 win conference finalist, but no realistic free-agent signings this summer were going to accomplish that. Their best bet is to keep compiling young talent in case an impact player like Amare, Chris Paul (who thinks he could be traded from financial reasons), or anybody else becomes available.

Having Thad, Speights, Holiday, a bunch of expiring contracts, and all of our first-round picks make us competitive next summer should a big name become available.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#754 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:58 pm

Am told there's nothing to the rumor that would have Miller going to Portland, Outlaw and Blake to Chicago and Hinrich coming here.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#755 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:00 pm

Here is a list of guys the Sixers are considering to be the veteran backup point: Royal Ivey, Carlos Arroyo, Tyronn Lue, Brevin Knight, Jason Hart and Luther Head (assuming no decent Miller sign-and-trade materializes).
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#756 » by SixersfutureGM » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:24 pm

i hate the sixers... they have no interest in sign and trading miller.. they are just saying that to make miller look bad and that they wanted to bring him back but he was unreasonable. Them saying they will sign and trade him also says they are trying to win and make a big move but really, they are buying time so they can sign a couple cheap vet. min. guys, let miller walk and say, hey we tried.

Its just frusating to think that maybe the hinrich to us deal could have legs but we wont do it bc we are a cheap franchise. This is gonna be the first year I dont go to any games.. but if they traded for hinrich, i woulda went to a ton this year and i am sure I am not alone on this statement.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#757 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:33 pm

I think the Sixers figure they're not going deep in the playoffs with or without Miller and don't want to commit significant money to him, especially with Thaddeus Young due to a big raise in 2011. If they were the Celtics or Cavs -- or could add an impact player that would make them a contender -- it would be a different story.

They'll wait and see if anything appealing is available in a sign-and-trade. But after the best things out there in 20 days were Duhon and maybe Ridnour, don't expect anything other than Miller walking with the Sixers getting nothing in return.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#758 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:41 pm

Stefanski: "We were aggressive last year. It was a year we could be aggressive (because the Sixers had room under the salary cap). We went and made a big splash. It’s not like we could carry this money forward with us. We were very happy we did sign Andre Iguodala. (Elton) Brand was the best free-agent power forward on the market."
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#759 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:46 pm

What about Anthony Roberson? Waived by the Bulls.... can really shoot from outside?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#760 » by tmoore » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:50 pm

Believe they want more of a set-up guy, like a Kevin Ollie, to come in and settle things down if needed.

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