SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Kobblehead]

I said he was the most important because he's the one that wrangled them in to buy into his system and managed them to perfection while in it. I think there is a small handful of coaches that would have been able to do that. Let alone quick enough to win a championship in their first year together.

And notice that none of those coaches that you mentioned won championships because guys with command of their teams like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Pop, and Rick Carlisle stood in their way. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here.

[Sixerscan]

yeah sounds good.

[SJSF]

Doc Rivers is an excellent coach. He has great temperament, he is respected and appreciated by players, and he is a great playcaller. Boston (unlike 90% of the NBA) run set plays at the end of games/quarters and crucial spots instead of letting people isolate. Just because he didn't find success before the big 3 came together didn't mean he wasn't a great coach.

Its easy to run set plays when you have Pierce, Allen, Garnett, and Rondo.

Now run a set play with Iggy, Jrue, ET, and Brand.

You won't get the same results.

Now is Doc better then DC? NO. He just happens to have 3 hall of famers.

[SJSF]

But Sixerscan, take the same Boston roster and have Jim O'Brien coach them. Do you think they get 1 quarter away from the Finals? Doc Rivers isn't as interchangeable as you're implying. I'd argue he was the most important person in the Celtics organization over the past two seasons. As the big 3 aged, this belief just became more apparent to me.

Danny Ainge made it all work. Not Doc Rivers. There record went from worst to first not because Doc was coaching different.

[SparksFly87]

Arnette Moultrie could be a steal at 15. He looks like he could develop into a Jermain Oneal type player.

[76ciology]

^ Jermaine O'neal without the shotblocking ability..

[And 1 Ref]

Doc Rivers is an excellent coach. He has great temperament, he is respected and appreciated by players, and he is a great playcaller. Boston (unlike 90% of the NBA) run set plays at the end of games/quarters and crucial spots instead of letting people isolate. Just because he didn't find success before the big 3 came together didn't mean he wasn't a great coach.

Its easy to run set plays when you have Pierce, Allen, Garnett, and Rondo.

Now run a set play with Iggy, Jrue, ET, and Brand.

You won't get the same results.

Now is Doc better then DC? NO. He just happens to have 3 hall of famers.

Again, if this is the case can you please explain him winning coach of the year in 2000. He had Grant Hill out for the year and T-Mac in an out due to injury. That team didn't make the playoffs but he won COY as acknowledgement of what he was able to get out of the guys he had. Guys like Michael Doleac, Troy Hudson, Pat Garrity, Bo Outlaw, Dee Brown etc (all certified scrubs and specialists)

Of course he wouldn't run the same set plays with the Sixers as he runs in Boston. The personnel is completely different. That's not to say that he cant come up with a different scheme to maximize each players strength, as he has been shown capable of in the past.

[freshie2]

Tim Duncan had how many coaches in his career?

Allen Iverson had how many coaches in his career?

It is a player driven league...DC and Doc are both very, very good coaches...folks are splitting hairs in trying to differentiate between the two.

[Sixerscan]

Doc Rivers is an excellent coach. He has great temperament, he is respected and appreciated by players, and he is a great playcaller. Boston (unlike 90% of the NBA) run set plays at the end of games/quarters and crucial spots instead of letting people isolate. Just because he didn't find success before the big 3 came together didn't mean he wasn't a great coach.

Its easy to run set plays when you have Pierce, Allen, Garnett, and Rondo.

Now run a set play with Iggy, Jrue, ET, and Brand.

You won't get the same results.

Now is Doc better then DC? NO. He just happens to have 3 hall of famers.

Again, if this is the case can you please explain him winning coach of the year in 2000. He had Grant Hill out for the year and T-Mac in an out due to injury. That team didn't make the playoffs but he won COY as acknowledgement of what he was able to get out of the guys he had. Guys like Michael Doleac, Troy Hudson, Pat Garrity, Bo Outlaw, Dee Brown etc (all certified scrubs and specialists)

Of course he wouldn't run the same set plays with the Sixers as he runs in Boston. The personnel is completely different. That's not to say that he cant come up with a different scheme to maximize each players strength, as he has been shown capable of in the past.

For accuracy's sake: TMac and Hill weren't on the Magic yet in 2000. And none of the "scrubs" you mentioned were among the team's 7 leading scorers, heck Hudson and Dee Brown weren't even on the team.

That team is actually a perfect example of what we are talking about. It was a crappy offensive team (22nd in efficiency), played at a frantic, sloppy pace (2nd fastest pace 25th in turnover%, an A/TO at 1.3 to 1) but a very good defensive team (9th in DE, 2nd in TO%) archored by Darrell Armstrong, Ron Mercer, Outlaw and a young guy named Ben Wallace who had a mini coming out party that year. Ultimately they missed the playoffs due to a lack of guys that could get a bucket.

It's interesting, they actually got Chauncey Billups as part of the Mercer trade, but he got hurt or something so he never played, and they released him the following year. Then they sent Wallace as a psuedo fill in for Hill, probably could have done it without him.

Imagine this lineup healthy

Billups
TMac
Hill
Outlaw
Wallace

Would have been scary. But enough of that digression. The point is that team sucked at offense and none of Doc's wizardry could save them, because it's a players league, and talent rules.

[Kobblehead]

Tim Duncan had how many coaches in his career?

One..............................................................................................................

[And 1 Ref]

Again, if this is the case can you please explain him winning coach of the year in 2000. He had Grant Hill out for the year and T-Mac in an out due to injury. That team didn't make the playoffs but he won COY as acknowledgement of what he was able to get out of the guys he had. Guys like Michael Doleac, Troy Hudson, Pat Garrity, Bo Outlaw, Dee Brown etc (all certified scrubs and specialists)

Of course he wouldn't run the same set plays with the Sixers as he runs in Boston. The personnel is completely different. That's not to say that he cant come up with a different scheme to maximize each players strength, as he has been shown capable of in the past.[/quote]

For accuracy's sake: TMac and Hill weren't on the Magic yet in 2000. And none of the "scrubs" you mentioned were among the team's 7 leading scorers, heck Hudson and Dee Brown weren't even on the team.

That team is actually a perfect example of what we are talking about. It was a crappy offensive team (22nd in efficiency), played at a frantic, sloppy pace (2nd fastest pace 25th in turnover%, an A/TO at 1.3 to 1) but a very good defensive team (9th in DE, 2nd in TO%) archored by Darrell Armstrong, Ron Mercer, Outlaw and a young guy named Ben Wallace who had a mini coming out party that year. Ultimately they missed the playoffs due to a lack of guys that could get a bucket.

It's interesting, they actually got Chauncey Billups as part of the Mercer trade, but he got hurt or something so he never played, and they released him the following year. Then they sent Wallace as a psuedo fill in for Hill, probably could have done it without him.

Imagine this lineup healthy

Billups
TMac
Hill
Outlaw
Wallace

Would have been scary. But enough of that digression. The point is that team sucked at offense and none of Doc's wizardry could save them, because it's a players league, and talent rules.[/quote]


There seems to be some confusion on which Magic team we are refrencing. I was pretty sure that all the players I named were absolutely on that 2000 Magic roster. I used http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2001.html just to make sure. I could be wrong I guess, if so please let me know. I'll refrain from commenting further on the topic until there is some clarity, I would hate to be arguing something not knowing I dont know what the hell Im talking about

And that healthy Olando team would be good for sure, but I wouldnt be overly terrified of them. As good as a front court of Outlaw and Walalce would on the defensive end they would also be 3x as bad on offense.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Just thinking about something....

So we know that GS is looking for a SF upgrade and we all keep thinking Iguodala is a preferred target of theirs. Well, do you think there's any chance Evan Turner could be a guy they have interest in rather than Andre?

Turner actually would fit perfectly in GS for a couple reasons (assuming they think he can play SF).

1. Curry is always hurt and they were really hurt by not having a great backup there. ET could fill in from time to time being the primary ball handler.
2. Curry is more combo guard, as opposed to PG, so Turner would allow him to play off the ball more throughout a game.
3. They have an abundance of shooting in their starting lineup (Curry/Thompson) so Turner's shooting issues won't be a big problem for them.
4. He's a cheaper option for GS and the Sixers wouldn't need to take back a bad contract like Biedrins/Jefferson to make a deal (D. Wright and someone like J. Tyler would work). Turner won't be off his rookie scale contract until Biedrins/Jefferson have expired.

So the questions are
1. Could we get #7, Wright (plus other filler) for Turner?
2. Would we need to add #15 to that deal?...if so, I think GS would part with #30 (grab a shooter there?).

Would anyone do Turner and #15 for #7, Wright, Jeremy Tyler and #30?
Would it depend on who's there at #7?

[JordanMars]

It depends who is on the draft board at the Warriors pick. Id love to have one of Beal,Waiters,Or Lamb. Preferibly Waiters. Philly kid, 13 points on 52 percent shooting in only 22 minutes per game, good solid player.

[76ciology]

It depends who is on the draft board at the Warriors pick. Id love to have one of Beal,Waiters,Or Lamb. Preferibly Waiters. Philly kid, 13 points on 52 percent shooting in only 22 minutes per game, good solid player.

I don't know. Would you go through all that hassle and making another gamble for a guard. For all we know, Dion Waiters and Turner probably have the same odds of making it big in the league.

If I'm the 76ers. I'd continue to hold unto Turner. I think we've already invested a lot on him. And we wouldn't get anything of much value either in trading him.

[jdimaggio555]

Sixerfan,

If the sixers make a trade, do you expect it to be on draft day or could it happen sooner? Also, now that the combine is over is there one player that the sixers are targeting or do they have a list of 5-6 guys and they'll be as happy as long as one of them is there?

[SJSF]

I guess no other coach was worthy of coach of the year that year. So he got it. And honestly, no coach should be coach of the year and not make the playoffs.

[JordanMars]

Alex Kennedy: The 76ers may be trying to trade up in the draft. They met with center Andre Drummond at the combine, even though he'll be long gone by #15. Twitter

[Kobblehead]

I guess no other coach was worthy of coach of the year that year. So he got it.

Brilliant insight, buddy. Thanks for contributing.

[dbodner]

They are exploring multiple possibilities of moving up

[Kobblehead]

DB, what your top 3 desired picks at 15?