Nerlens Noel Thread

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His offensive game right now is every bit as difined as KG was at the same age.

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

Wow. Just reminds you how good of a player KG was,

[davidwho76er]

His offensive game right now is every bit as difined as KG was at the same age.

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

I should have said at the same time, not the same age, even though KG was 20 during his rookie season. And in his rookie season KG was a 10pt a game player who played just as much as Noel has. But KG had way way better talent on his team to take away any defensive pressure that he got as opposed to what Noel gets. Bottom line age doesn't mean sh@t....only thing that matter is a players first season. And in that venue, both Noel and KG are very similar. It's way too early to say that Noel can't also be a 17Pt scorer and 10 Rebound a game player next season. And that will be better then what KG put up in season 2 of his career.

[GswSucks4Ever]

His offensive game right now is every bit as difined as KG was at the same age.

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

I should have said at the same time, not the same age, even though KG was 20 during his rookie season. And in his rookie season KG was a 10pt a game player who played just as much as Noel has. But KG had way way better talent on his team to take away any defensive pressure that he got as opposed to what Noel gets. Bottom line age doesn't mean sh@t....only thing that matter is a players first season. And in that venue, both Noel and KG are very similar. It's way too early to say that Noel can't also be a 17Pt scorer and 10 Rebound a game player next season. And that will be better then what KG put up in season 2 of his career.

I'm sorry, but age in terms of potential in prospects is a HUGE FACTOR. I shouldn't even have to explain that.

[davidwho76er]

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

I should have said at the same time, not the same age, even though KG was 20 during his rookie season. And in his rookie season KG was a 10pt a game player who played just as much as Noel has. But KG had way way better talent on his team to take away any defensive pressure that he got as opposed to what Noel gets. Bottom line age doesn't mean sh@t....only thing that matter is a players first season. And in that venue, both Noel and KG are very similar. It's way too early to say that Noel can't also be a 17Pt scorer and 10 Rebound a game player next season. And that will be better then what KG put up in season 2 of his career.

I'm sorry, but age in terms of potential in prospects is a HUGE FACTOR. I shouldn't even have to explain that.

It absolutely is not a factor with those two players cause both were not yet fully developed, and both were close to the same age. KG was at most maybe 7 months younger then Noel was. I mean if I compared a 19 year old rookie like Russell who is barely 170lbs dripping wet, and whatever he does his rookie year say to a 22/23 year old Gary Payton did in his rookie year, that might be a point. But not with KG/Noel.

[HartfordWhalers]

His offensive game right now is every bit as difined as KG was at the same age.

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

KG's turned 21 in May during his 2nd season.
Noel will turn 21 in April of his 2nd season (first playing).

Seems unfair to use that 1 month and jump to KG's 3rd year on an age to age comparison, instead of that second year. Still, the general point very much remains.

[GswSucks4Ever]

I should have said at the same time, not the same age, even though KG was 20 during his rookie season. And in his rookie season KG was a 10pt a game player who played just as much as Noel has. But KG had way way better talent on his team to take away any defensive pressure that he got as opposed to what Noel gets. Bottom line age doesn't mean sh@t....only thing that matter is a players first season. And in that venue, both Noel and KG are very similar. It's way too early to say that Noel can't also be a 17Pt scorer and 10 Rebound a game player next season. And that will be better then what KG put up in season 2 of his career.

I'm sorry, but age in terms of potential in prospects is a HUGE FACTOR. I shouldn't even have to explain that.

It absolutely is not a factor with those two players cause both were not yet fully developed, and both were close to the same age. KG was at most maybe 7 months younger then Noel was. I mean if I compared a 19 year old rookie like Russell who is barely 170lbs dripping wet, and whatever he does his rookie year say to a 22/23 year old Gary Payton did in his rookie year, that might be a point. But not with KG/Noel.

Fair enough, but even still their offensive games were noting alike. Btw you changed your take again, you said "bottom line age doesn't mean ****, only thing that matter is a players first season" which per your wording appears to be extrapolated across all prospects.

[davidwho76er]

His offensive game right now is every bit as difined as KG was at the same age.

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

KG's turned 21 in May during his 2nd season.
Noel will turn 21 in April of his 2nd season.

Seems unfair to use that 1 month and jump to KG's 3rd year on an age to age comparison, instead of that second year. Still, the general point very much remains.

I mean it's not like Noel is David Robinson in his rookie season ( 24 )...it's 10 months, and as I stated, please tell me that KG had LESS to work with on a Minnesota roster then what Noel has had. You don't think that doesn't make a difference ?..Minnesota had TWO NBA All-stars on that team NOT named KG....Who does Noel have ? All I am saying is that it is stupid for anyone to say that Noel will never be a PF, and only a Center. Cause that kinda talk is Moronic at this point and time. I mean maybe it will turn out to be true. But at this point, it is crazy to say that Noel can't develop legit PF skills on offense. He already has them on Defense though.

[76ciology]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gzAQEsNWDg[/youtube]

Better link to the vid last night against the Knicks.

[GswSucks4Ever]

@davidwho76er, you're arguing with yourself. I said Noel's *optimal* position is to be a Center. That does not mean he can't play PF alongside another C on a good team, given his quickness, and defensive skill

But I do think his jumpshot form is awful. It's not quirky like Peja or Marion, it's disjointed like MKG. Who knows though, maybe in the off-season he improves it and comes out looking like Davis 2.0, but I wouldn't put money on it.

[davidwho76er]

@davidwho76er, you're arguing with yourself. I said Noel's *optimal* position is to be a Center. That does not mean he can't play PF alongside another C on a good team, given his quickness, and defensive skill

But I do think his jumpshot form is awful. It's not quirky like Peja or Marion, it's disjointed like MKG. Who knows though, maybe in the off-season he improves it and comes out looking like Davis 2.0, but I wouldn't put money on it.

That's not what you said...you said Noel is NOT a PF....



The only downside is... he's not a PF, and his game will not mesh optimally with Embiid. Add Towns or Okafor to the mix and there will not be enough minutes for the young big man prospects. Ideally Embiid should be getting 20 minutes at C and 10 minutes at PF, with Noel grabbing the remaining minutes at backup C.





And you said his not Mesh optimally with Embiid. Which is also Crazy take cause you have no idea what kind of offensive game Embiid has.

[DavidHume]

Not even close. Noel trns 21 next week. at 21 KG was a 2X all star, and put up 18.5/9.6R/4.2A/.595.

Nerlens is a better defender than KG was at the same age (which is saying something), but KG at 21 was a Sf in a center's body. Nerlens offensive game right now is not in the same zip code as KG at the same age. But Noel is rapidly progressing in all areas.

KG's turned 21 in May during his 2nd season.
Noel will turn 21 in April of his 2nd season.

Seems unfair to use that 1 month and jump to KG's 3rd year on an age to age comparison, instead of that second year. Still, the general point very much remains.

I mean it's not like Noel is David Robinson in his rookie season ( 24 )...it's 10 months, and as I stated, please tell me that KG had LESS to work with on a Minnesota roster then what Noel has had. You don't think that doesn't make a difference ?..Minnesota had TWO NBA All-stars on that team NOT named KG....Who does Noel have ? All I am saying is that it is stupid for anyone to say that Noel will never be a PF, and only a Center. Cause that kinda talk is Moronic at this point and time. I mean maybe it will turn out to be true. But at this point, it is crazy to say that Noel can't develop legit PF skills on offense. He already has them on Defense though.

Using words like "stupid", "moronic" and "crazy" is a sure way to demonstrate that your argument is lacking substance. Better to stick to sound reasoning and evidence.

[davidwho76er]

KG's turned 21 in May during his 2nd season.
Noel will turn 21 in April of his 2nd season.

Seems unfair to use that 1 month and jump to KG's 3rd year on an age to age comparison, instead of that second year. Still, the general point very much remains.

I mean it's not like Noel is David Robinson in his rookie season ( 24 )...it's 10 months, and as I stated, please tell me that KG had LESS to work with on a Minnesota roster then what Noel has had. You don't think that doesn't make a difference ?..Minnesota had TWO NBA All-stars on that team NOT named KG....Who does Noel have ? All I am saying is that it is stupid for anyone to say that Noel will never be a PF, and only a Center. Cause that kinda talk is Moronic at this point and time. I mean maybe it will turn out to be true. But at this point, it is crazy to say that Noel can't develop legit PF skills on offense. He already has them on Defense though.

Using words like "stupid", "moronic" and "crazy" is a sure way to demonstrate that your argument is lacking substance. Better to stick to sound reasoning and evidence.

I was not calling anyone those words, just the reasoning and points stupid, ect, ect. But I thought I made my point very clear. I just am not convinced that Noel cannot learn to be a very good PF. I know he can play and defend the Center position. And based on what I have seen of Embiid, he to can play outside the paint on Offense. He doesn't have Noel's " Fast twitch " quickness to maybe guard a PF, but on Offense he has shown he can definitely hit the 18ft jumper, and dribble-drive to the hoop and finish. So I think the two of them together is exciting for us Sixer fans going forward. Provided Noel continues to grow and Improve. And Embiid doesn't have any continuing foot/Injury concerns.

[GswSucks4Ever]

I hate arguing about position definitions, because no one defines the terms the same way, so we always start on different wave lengths. Can he spend the majority of his minutes as the second tallest player on the team? Sure.

I just don't think thats the best thing for his *perceived value* though, as Joel will be mostly occupying the space that Noel is currently (as he should as the superior prospect). Noel has an undeveloped high post game, bad jumpshot, and can't be your go to pick/roll option as he can't pop. He *can* improve on all those things, and hopefully he will.

Look, Embiid is Philly's core player. With an overloaded front court of Embiid/Towns/Noel, Noel's respective value will be minimized, and it would impact his perception around the league (was James Harden an all-star level player before going to Houston?), thats all I'm arguing. It will still be exciting to watch them develop and expand their skill-sets, I'm just adding the minor caveat that they'll both probably play better if they only play 10-15 mins/game together.

And ya, I'm sure nobody watched any Kansas games last year -___-, or Embiid drastically expanded his offensive game without doing drills/footwork/game simulations and improved solely by sitting on his ass for the year.

[Tony Franciosa]

[freshie2]

If Noel can guard the PF, they'll be fine.

[ZarcMumoff]

Put it this way, if Nerlens Noel was a deadly infectious virus then this graph points towards the imminent destruction of the world as we know it.

Bahahahahaha

[ZarcMumoff]

In the perfect reality, Noel doesn't need to become Kevin Garnett. He just needs to be able to hit a mid-range jumper somewhat consistently, while being a #3 option on offense (behind Embiid and whatever guard we eventually bring in).

Now, the perfect reality may never happen if Embiid's foot falls off, but if Noel becomes Serge Ibaka 2.0, that'd be fantastic.

[Eyeamok]

The funny thing about last night is this a lot of the critics have said that the 76ers are driving away their fans with there style and brand of basketball. But if Nerlens was able to do what he did last night on a regular basis the fans would flock to see him. Yes I know it was against the Knicks but you have to figure if Embiid can play opportunities are going to be their on the defensive and offensive end of the ball for Nerlens. Wow just wow

[marcush]

Chill about the fit with Embiid, none of us know for sure at this point. At this stage though, we are still just trying to unearth a couple of great players and it appears as though Noel could very well be a great defensive player.

[marcush]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gzAQEsNWDg[/youtube]

Better link to the vid last night against the Knicks.

I won't profess to any scouting skills or anything but is it unusual what Noel can do with his non preferred hand?