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Final trade thoughts

Great deal
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5%
Good deal
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Good deal, but I wanted more
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So so deal
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Bad deal
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8%
This team is trying to destroy all meaning and make a mockery of the very fabric of the universe
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9%
 
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Post#761 » by LloydFree » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:51 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Perhaps the Philly Newspapers don’t care if they get it right.

1) They are not getting any news from the front office. This makes their jobs infinitely harder.

2) So why not put out rumors that you can substantiate, if the trade goes through like you reported it looks great for you and you seem like you know what you are reporting.

3) If the trade does not go through. You can say Hinkie and company had your original trade in place but were forced to take a worse deal because they were beaten out by a better GM.

4) You get the fan base to slowly start turning on management, because they originally had all these great deals lined up and they keep getting beat out of them, or are forced to take lesser value than what they originally wanted.

5) Add to the fact that Hinkie and company are not going to come out and say anything in their defense other than “this is the deal we wanted.” The press can spin it anyway they want until the front office starts giving them stories with substance.

6) As a preemptive strike the press can always come out with a story about how Hinkie and company will always tow the company line and say “this is the deal we wanted.” Which makes the impatient fan, which is a great majority of the fan base, bash the team even more, creating more negative attitude towards the team and just generates a negative snowball effect going forward.

Not giving out any information to the press could eventually turn into a major backlash if the team does not come together the way Hinkie and company hope. It’s a fine line to walk.
The press has nothing to lose by saying Hinkie and company had this deal and that deal that they lost because they are not getting squat now from the front office.


This. Your #4 and #5, is exactly what is happening. They know the average fan will fall for that narrative, every time.
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Post#762 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:52 pm

Shved is still a developing player though, so I think he actually matters more than what some of us think. He's a bad defender, there is no denying that and comparing him to Manu is like comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Mercedes. However, I do like Shved on our team at this moment.
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Post#763 » by Mik317 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:39 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Shved is still a developing player though, so I think he actually matters more than what some of us think. He's a bad defender, there is no denying that and comparing him to Manu is like comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Mercedes. However, I do like Shved on our team at this moment.

He is the same age as Thad. Who most people said was done developing.

He also had his confidence bombed by Adelman apparently...and isn't that good.
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Post#764 » by Slacktard » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:42 pm

Quite understandable why Hinkie wants the NBA to delay lotto reform since we're in for another tankfest. This roster without Thad (even with Noel added) is worse than last year, definitely up until the trade deadline) and possibly even as bad or worse (depending on how some of the second round picks play) than the post trade deadline roster as well.

Another bottom-3 record.

The absolute worst case scenario would be NBA implements Lotto reform. Miami just misses out on the playoffs and we look like we're going to get a #1 pick. Better odds let them jump into the top of the draft and the Sixers end up picking like 6th.
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Post#765 » by Mik317 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:52 pm

Slacktard wrote:Quite understandable why Hinkie wants the NBA to delay lotto reform since we're in for another tankfest. This roster without Thad (even with Noel added) is worse than last year, definitely up until the trade deadline) and possibly even as bad or worse (depending on how some of the second round picks play) than the post trade deadline roster as well.

Another bottom-3 record.

The absolute worst case scenario would be NBA implements Lotto reform. Miami just misses out on the playoffs and we look like we're going to get a #1 pick. Better odds let them jump into the top of the draft and the Sixers end up picking like 6th.



at this point we would deserve that.
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Post#766 » by Wilfried » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:04 pm

I think the main core of our team is already set with Noel, Embiid and Saric.

The next 2 years is about adding other pieces that fit, or make the necessary trades (with those picks or MCW involved when we can improve).

Hinkie did a good job dismanteling the team, now he needs to build again.

That's the more difficult part.
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Post#767 » by bigdavid » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:11 pm

It will be extremely difficult to live thru another year of tanking. I feel sorry for the long time suffering fans including myself. It seems that we are the biggest suckers in the NBA. When ever a team needs a proven player they contact us and we make a foolish deal.

We will go down in history as having more first round picks ever recorded and continually wind up with a loosing team. Why we never trade for good proven players instead of trading them away is difficult to comprehend.

I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.
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Post#768 » by BullyKing » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:18 pm

bigdavid wrote:It will be extremely difficult to live thru another year of tanking. I feel sorry for the long time suffering fans including myself. It seems that we are the biggest suckers in the NBA. When ever a team needs a proven player they contact us and we make a foolish deal.

We will go down in history as having more first round picks ever recorded and continually wind up with a loosing team. Why we never trade for good proven players instead of trading them away is difficult to comprehend.

I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.


You will go down as the most ridiculous, over the top, melodramatic poster the internet has ever seen.

I am in mourning for you.
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Post#769 » by BullyKing » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:22 pm

Wilfried wrote:I think the main core of our team is already set with Noel, Embiid and Saric.

The next 2 years is about adding other pieces that fit, or make the necessary trades (with those picks or MCW involved when we can improve).

Hinkie did a good job dismanteling the team, now he needs to build again.

That's the more difficult part.


Maybe I'm crazy but building it back up again is almost the easy part. The hard part was dismantling it in the right way to get the right assets in place. Now, we mostly get to sit back and see how things shake out with our young guys development. For sure, Hinkie still has to add two wing players and some bench depth but he has a fistful of assets to get that done. That is not to say that it is a guarantee that our players stay healthy, develop well, he fills the remaining positions well. Just that this seems like a much easier task than figuring out what the hell to do with the mess he inherited.
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Post#770 » by Embiid P » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:26 pm

bigdavid wrote:It will be extremely difficult to live thru another year of tanking. I feel sorry for the long time suffering fans including myself. It seems that we are the biggest suckers in the NBA. When ever a team needs a proven player they contact us and we make a foolish deal.

We will go down in history as having more first round picks ever recorded and continually wind up with a loosing team. Why we never trade for good proven players instead of trading them away is difficult to comprehend.

I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.


What's more important to the Sixers at this point in their rebuild? Acquiring as much talent/picks/assets as possible or acquiring good "locker room" guys? I get that talent isn't everything in the NBA but if we are supposed to suck again what purpose does bringing in role players who will give us a few more meaningless wins serve?
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Post#771 » by MountainDrew » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:26 pm

bigdavid wrote:I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.


I hate when people quote lines and sayings from the mainstream media and then just pretend like they're experts about it. "Player x is the glue that keeps it together". Yeah ok. Young is a great guy and a great pro, but losing him is not the end of the world. Mbah can do the same stuff he did.
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Post#772 » by BobThornton » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:28 pm

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine now

Source close to K-Love talks says Cavs/Wolves/Sixers are planning three-team trade as opposed to separate deals ... barring any late tweaks
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Post#773 » by BlackKnight » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:30 pm

bigdavid wrote:It will be extremely difficult to live thru another year of tanking. I feel sorry for the long time suffering fans including myself. It seems that we are the biggest suckers in the NBA. When ever a team needs a proven player they contact us and we make a foolish deal.

We will go down in history as having more first round picks ever recorded and continually wind up with a loosing team. Why we never trade for good proven players instead of trading them away is difficult to comprehend.

I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.


Not sure if srs :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Thad was a great player and all, but he was gone after this year and he's not worth a new contract at this point in the rebuild.
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Post#774 » by LloydFree » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:30 pm

Personally, I've liked nearly every move the 76ers have made in the past 14 months. The only thing I didn't like was the selection of Dario Saric (I would have selected someone else after that trade). I didn't understand the Evan Turner trade, until I realized that was a CAP manipulation deal. So overall I give them a B+ for the last 14 months.

The reset will be complete when they figure out how to get those 2nd round picks back from Boston. All family businesses will be complete. :D
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Post#775 » by Ericb5 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:31 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I'm a little surprised at the disappointment by some in this trade. I guess the false news reports bumped up ridiculous expectations. No realistic 76er fan thought Thad Young could get mid-1st round pick 2 months ago. Now somehow a mid-1st not enough?


I agree. We were clamoring for a late 1st rounder a few months ago for Thad so I'm satisfied that we're getting a mid-late 1st rounder. This wasn't a Pelicans/Magic type of trade where we committed highway robbery, but I think this was sufficient value for both sides, especially considering Thad is an expiring for us.

But if last season's tank was brutal, I wonder how bad this upcoming season is gonna be... :o


Part of my disappointment is just in comparison to what I thought we were going to be getting in Bennett. IF the pick ends up in the teens then it is a good return for Thad given the circumstances.

I guess that I have to remind myself that Lebron is no longer on the Heat so they should struggle to win more than 45 games or so.
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Post#776 » by MountainDrew » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:33 pm

For the record, right now I'm not crazy about the trade, mainly because beat writers and other media made me hope for more than just the pick. But really, it is quite solid value. The pick imo is going to be in the late teens, perhaps with a Wade injury and guys underwhelming (they still don't really have a good center), the heat could end up late lotto. To get a mid first round pick for an expiring mediocre player is nice. It's not the Jrue trade, but a good move nonetheless.

Mbah is nice to have for Embiid, keep him on the right track. I think he will be more usefull to Joel than Thad would have been (obviously, because Thad wouldn't be around when Embiid starts playing). WHo is the most important player of this franchise? Embiid. So to get the perfect mentor for him in this trade shouldn't be overlooked.

Shved is kind of bad, but he's the one player that I've liked the most for absolutely no reason at all. I hope he sticks around this season, just for my own sake. Pretty selfish player, he's a bit emo (love the Rubio "change this face, be happy" thing) and he has an awesome name. He also doesn't look like an nba player at all. Need some Alexey on this team.
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Post#777 » by BullyKing » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:33 pm

MountainDrew wrote:
bigdavid wrote:I understand the concern that Young might not have stayed, but why not offer him a new contract now? Young was the glue and leader that held this team together, for whatever that means.

I am in mourning for this ridiculous trade.


I hate when people quote lines and sayings from the mainstream media and then just pretend like they're experts about it. "Player x is the glue that keeps it together". Yeah ok. Young is a great guy and a great pro, but losing him is not the end of the world. Mbah can do the same stuff he did.


Yep. I mean, even if you accept that the concept of a glue guy exists and Thad was our guy glue, the team he held together was one of the worst of all time. Something tells me we can live without it.
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Post#778 » by guest81 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:35 pm

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?
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Post#779 » by MRxBLACK » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:36 pm

guest81 wrote:How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

Salary Floor doesn't matter.
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Post#780 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:39 pm

kind of meh on the trade.

would have really loved to get a young player with some potential.
like a Bennett or Porter type where there's still some hope.

Shved and Mbah pretty much are what they are, roster fillers.
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