Where is Nerlens?

[Ericb5]

Okafor will not accept a bench role anytime soon, so we're going to have to trade him too

Okafor is tied up for a few more years with us so he doesn't have a choice. If he can get 28-30 min between the 4 and the 5 then it can work.


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Agreed.

One thing that sort of isn't getting discussed is dependent on how Okafor develops. He plays well enough Brown is going to be forced to move Simmons off PF when he comes back.

The problem Noel has is he isn't good enough to move Embiid to the bench and more to the point he isn't developing. The worst part is he doesn't even appear to be trying to develop the weak areas of his game. You've read it on the forum all the time he is a lost cause on offense and even brown saying he doesn't care if he makes a jumpshot.

I'm sorry but when Noel was drafted I wasn't expecting Biyombo. Heck, we don't even have Biyombo because at least Biyombo rebounds. I still believe there is potential there but it won't be with us and I'm fine with that. As far as Noel goes he has noone to blame but himself.

He had the chance to separate himself the three years he's been here. Which is what people don't realize. If he was Towns we never draft Oak. I firmly believe Oak was drafted with an eye to move Noel. I think Hinkie made the same determination that he made with MCW that Noel wasn't going to develop.

Harsh assessment, but I agree with it.

It isn't really Noel's fault though. He works hard.

He just doesn't have it in him to do a lot of the stuff that drips naturally from Okafor and Embiid.

The things that made him a great prospect, are still there, and will turn him into a terrific player if he is used correctly. He just doesn't have the ability to play the 4, which is ok for his prospects in the league, but not ok for his prospects on the Sixers.

He is going to be traded between now and February, and I just hope we don't have to eat it on the valuation in the trade too badly.


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[the_process]

Bryan isn't selling low on Noel. If he was, Noel would already be gone. Someone will pay up during the season for one reason or another.

[Sportfan73]

Okafor is tied up for a few more years with us so he doesn't have a choice. If he can get 28-30 min between the 4 and the 5 then it can work.


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Agreed.

One thing that sort of isn't getting discussed is dependent on how Okafor develops. He plays well enough Brown is going to be forced to move Simmons off PF when he comes back.

The problem Noel has is he isn't good enough to move Embiid to the bench and more to the point he isn't developing. The worst part is he doesn't even appear to be trying to develop the weak areas of his game. You've read it on the forum all the time he is a lost cause on offense and even brown saying he doesn't care if he makes a jumpshot.

I'm sorry but when Noel was drafted I wasn't expecting Biyombo. Heck, we don't even have Biyombo because at least Biyombo rebounds. I still believe there is potential there but it won't be with us and I'm fine with that. As far as Noel goes he has noone to blame but himself.

He had the chance to separate himself the three years he's been here. Which is what people don't realize. If he was Towns we never draft Oak. I firmly believe Oak was drafted with an eye to move Noel. I think Hinkie made the same determination that he made with MCW that Noel wasn't going to develop.

Harsh assessment, but I agree with it.

It isn't really Noel's fault though. He works hard.

He just doesn't have it in him to do a lot of the stuff that drips naturally from Okafor and Embiid.

The things that made him a great prospect, are still there, and will turn him into a terrific player if he is used correctly. He just doesn't have the ability to play the 4, which is ok for his prospects in the league, but not ok for his prospects on the Sixers.

He is going to be traded between now and February, and I just hope we don't have to eat it on the valuation in the trade too badly.


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I think he either goes before the extension deadline or right on deadline day.

[Iscull]

Bryan isn't selling low on Noel. If he was, Noel would already be gone. Someone will pay up during the season for one reason or another.

Yeah, once the trade deadlines starts to come around I think a big hungry play-off team will shell out some future picks / young players for him.

[Att]

Bryan isn't selling low on Noel. If he was, Noel would already be gone. Someone will pay up during the season for one reason or another.

Yeah, once the trade deadlines starts to come around I think a big hungry play-off team will shell out some future picks / young players for him.

Maybe. At this point, I would love to get a top15 pick for him at the next draft
I think we might get less than that and the worse that could happen is to get someone who might makes us better short term and move out of a top5 pick next year.

[BobThornton]

Nerlens thinking he is going to force the Sixers hand is foolish. Worst case scenario, he sits the season on the bench and leaves as a free agent in the summer. Oh well. Sixers turning into a contender isn't dependent on the return for Noel. Would be nice, no doubt. But their first round draft pick this year + the Lakers pick...along with the Kings pick down the line....insures that this team will have the raw material it needs to be a great team. Signing a free agent in the future could have the same value as whatever we could theoretically get for Noel.

So if the minutes for the big men is a competition, making sure he loses that competition hurts him worse than it hurts the Sixers.

[Ericb5]

Nerlens thinking he is going to force the Sixers hand is foolish. Worst case scenario, he sits the season on the bench and leaves as a free agent in the summer. Oh well. Sixers turning into a contender isn't dependent on the return for Noel. Would be nice, no doubt. But their first round draft pick this year + the Lakers pick...along with the Kings pick down the line....insures that this team will have the raw material it needs to be a great team. Signing a free agent in the future could have the same value as whatever we could theoretically get for Noel.

So if the minutes for the big men is a competition, making sure he loses that competition hurts him worse than it hurts the Sixers.

Well said. I wish him no ill will and understand his frustration, but I am prepared to lose him for nothing if that is what it comes down to.

I would HAVE to believe that someone will step up and make a good offer to us for him though. He is too good of a player for teams not to want.

[76ciology]

Nerlens thinking he is going to force the Sixers hand is foolish. Worst case scenario, he sits the season on the bench and leaves as a free agent in the summer. Oh well. Sixers turning into a contender isn't dependent on the return for Noel. Would be nice, no doubt. But their first round draft pick this year + the Lakers pick...along with the Kings pick down the line....insures that this team will have the raw material it needs to be a great team. Signing a free agent in the future could have the same value as whatever we could theoretically get for Noel.

So if the minutes for the big men is a competition, making sure he loses that competition hurts him worse than it hurts the Sixers.

Agree.. actually I don't mind losing Jah/Noel. It's just I like the idea of holding unto them for it gives you a bigger margin for error if those picks don't pan out. I still think giving them up for nothing is a lazy proposition in solving a problem (clear log jam but decreases overall talent).

And I do think jah,noel,biid,simmons and saric is worth a try. And I'm not saying they should be on court at the same time.

[Foshan]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

[Gsraider]

Nerlens thinking he is going to force the Sixers hand is foolish. Worst case scenario, he sits the season on the bench and leaves as a free agent in the summer. Oh well. Sixers turning into a contender isn't dependent on the return for Noel. Would be nice, no doubt. But their first round draft pick this year + the Lakers pick...along with the Kings pick down the line....insures that this team will have the raw material it needs to be a great team. Signing a free agent in the future could have the same value as whatever we could theoretically get for Noel.

So if the minutes for the big men is a competition, making sure he loses that competition hurts him worse than it hurts the Sixers.

I agree, but must admit to being surprised both by his attitude and the advice he must be getting. This isn't a Carmelo Anthony situation here whereby a superstar is able to force his hand. This is a young, potentially dominant defender with a flawed offensive game that hardly has the league knocking down walls to get to him. I always find it incredible when players try to talk about professional sports being a business, but then when they find themselves in that situation, they seem to take everything personally and seemingly pout. Well Nerlens, it is a business and you are making an incredibly bad business decision in terms of your value and your potential next destination. Teams that might have been interested are probably now wondering about his attitude and other teams that were definitely interested are probably lowering their offers from what were probably bad ones to begin with.

Thus, I agree that I would just sit on the guy and wait. Someone will get injured elsewhere or think they're a player away as the deadline gets closer. Even if it spills into next summer, I'm still not sure that Philly couldn't work out a sign and trade anyway for a team that has cap issues or would just assume swap out salary than use it all up on Noel.

[76ciology]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

+1000

[Ericb5]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

We didn't really tank or suffer to get Noel. We tanked to get Simmons, Okafor, and Embiid, and really just Simmons and Embiid are the kinds of guys that you tank to get.

The fruits of the tank were bountiful even if we get nothing out of Noel or Okafor. Not that I'm advocating that we dump them like hot potatoes, but we are getting to crunch time with Noel, and if we don't have an attractive deal by the deadline then we ought to just let him go for the best that we can get.

Most tank jobs don't result in a player as good as Simmons, let alone Simmons and Embiid. The suffering was worth it for those two alone. If we are able to get two more top 8 picks next year then that will be two more shots at finding the 3rd player in a big 3.

[ankle420breaker]

Noel was a lotto pick, but doesn't have lotto pick value. Agree that there's no need to rush him out at the moment, but the pressure will increase as we near the deadline.

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[Sixerscan]

All off season

"We should wait until they can all get on the court together"

"You're not going to see them all on the court together because 3 of them play the same position and can't play together."

"But what if they can play different positions and can play together"

"No that's the whole reason why at least one of them is being traded because they can't play together."

"But now hear me out, what if they can play together"

"Please gouge my eyes out with a fork."

[Sixerscan]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

We didn't really tank or suffer to get Noel. We tanked to get Simmons, Okafor, and Embiid, and really just Simmons and Embiid are the kinds of guys that you tank to get.

The fruits of the tank were bountiful even if we get nothing out of Noel or Okafor. Not that I'm advocating that we dump them like hot potatoes, but we are getting to crunch time with Noel, and if we don't have an attractive deal by the deadline then we ought to just let him go for the best that we can get.

Most tank jobs don't result in a player as good as Simmons, let alone Simmons and Embiid. The suffering was worth it for those two alone. If we are able to get two more top 8 picks next year then that will be two more shots at finding the 3rd player in a big 3.

^THIS. The point of getting like 8 tries at the lottery was to try to idiot proof the draft. You're not gonna hit on all 8. (Though if Noel or okafor is the biggest "miss" they did a pretty bang up job)

Can't be too concerned about getting proper value for guys that may not even be among our top 5 prospects next year.

[the_process]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

We didn't really tank or suffer to get Noel. We tanked to get Simmons, Okafor, and Embiid, and really just Simmons and Embiid are the kinds of guys that you tank to get.

The fruits of the tank were bountiful even if we get nothing out of Noel or Okafor. Not that I'm advocating that we dump them like hot potatoes, but we are getting to crunch time with Noel, and if we don't have an attractive deal by the deadline then we ought to just let him go for the best that we can get.

Most tank jobs don't result in a player as good as Simmons, let alone Simmons and Embiid. The suffering was worth it for those two alone. If we are able to get two more top 8 picks next year then that will be two more shots at finding the 3rd player in a big 3.

^THIS. The point of getting like 8 tries at the lottery was to try to idiot proof the draft. You're not gonna hit on all 8. (Though if Noel or okafor is the biggest "miss" they did a pretty bang up job)

Can't be too concerned about getting proper value for guys that may not even be among our top 5 prospects next year.

This I disagree with considering the Sixers cap situation and the fact that they still will not be drawing any FA's next year. There's no reason not to hold out for value, and if you don't get it, just match any RFA offer and go into next year with the For Sale sign still around Noel's neck. When Embiid comes up for his deal, if they've shown improvement and FA's are considering coming, then you can just dump him.

[LloydFree]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

[Ericb5]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

I'm assuming that you are implying that you think that Hinkie would have still had his job had he selected Porzingis, and I don't agree with that.

I think he would have kept his job had he not let go of Ish after the season because it was the 1-29 start(or whatever it actually was) that killed him. Had we been 6 and 24 without losing steaks of more than 8 or 10 games I don't think that Jerry would have ever been brought in.

It wasn't the quality of his draft picks that were the problem. It was that the team, as it was constructed to start the season, was a dleague team, and they were a competent point guard away from winning a number of games in that first 6 weeks.

[NatiboyB]

I really believe that the NBA pressured the 76ers to let go of Hinkie.

[Kirk Van Houten]

I really believe that the NBA pressured the 76ers to let go of Hinkie.

I thought that had already been established.


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