Welcome Tobias Harris

SixthStreet · Post #761 » by **SixthStreet** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:24 pm

Guys that typically draw fouls have absolutely no regard for their own body as they go to the basket and dare guys to contact them to demonstrate a loss of balance to the refs. The elite ones can also play through the contact. Harris doesn't have the mindset of the former or the explosiveness and physicality of the latter. He will never get to the line more than he already does. He's mostly just a shot maker, albeit only a decent one. I'd be shocked if he ever breaks the plateau of about a 20 ppg guy.

kio80 · Post #762 » by **kio80** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:19 am

76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Harris is skilled enough to not have to play a physical game. I don't mind him staying light and finesse.

He wont be able to create space with his current physique, this may limit his ability to finish in the paint.

Its ok if he stay light if he can blow past anyone.

Right now if he stay light, he better make a jump with his 3pt shooting % so he be a much better threat from the perimeter.

I find his shooting to be OK. So Im thinking he should try to attack more and score more from drive by improving his physique that may allow him to create some space like most of the mobile scoring tweeners.

If having a more muscular physique will hurt his game then he better some tricks by watching guys like past 30 Jimmy or past 30 Wade on how to create space that is borderline offensive fouls IMO

Nope, just stop dribbling, get better at 3s, and improve court awareness. Don’t let that almost all star get into his head and try to do too much. That’s it

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M2J · Post #763 » by **M2J** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 4:39 am

SixthStreet wrote:Guys that typically draw fouls have absolutely no regard for their own body as they go to the basket and dare guys to contact them to demonstrate a loss of balance to the refs. The elite ones can also play through the contact. Harris doesn't have the mindset of the former or the explosiveness and physicality of the latter. He will never get to the line more than he already does. He's mostly just a shot maker, albeit only a decent one. I'd be shocked if he ever breaks the plateau of about a 20 ppg guy.

He should be veteran enough now where he can get fouls off his jumpshot. That's just being crafty. Getting guys in the air. The league is built for that now. He should have enough usage, and craftiness to get 4 more attempts

Zumramania · Post #764 » by **Zumramania** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:37 pm

Imagine Jimmy Butlers' aggressiveness and his general mentality in the body of Tobias. That would be a top 10 player :/.

elchengue20 · Post #765 » by **elchengue20** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:21 am

Even if he played well in the clutch tonight, it was a great example of how his natural game comes from playing in the mid post or even the low post.

Hes just not a good fit as the secondary secorer and 3rd star for the Biid/Ben duo.

Embiid-MVP · Post #766 » by **Embiid-MVP** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:39 am

Another one

SparksFly87 · Post #767 » by **SparksFly87** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:22 am

Ben should be taking those iso post matchups when Embiid is looking for a second option in the post /mid-range. Tobias should be replaced with a shotcreating all-star level player.

He's expensive and hinders Simmons maximum development on offense.

Post #768 » by **Stanford** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 12:40 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Ben should be taking those iso post matchups when Embiid is looking for a second option in the post /mid-range. Tobias should be replaced with a shotcreating all-star level player.

He's expensive and hinders Simmons maximum development on offense.

The man won the game in OT! Lay off him for a day, homie!

youngcrev · Post #769 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Mar 4, 2021 1:33 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Ben should be taking those iso post matchups when Embiid is looking for a second option in the post /mid-range. Tobias should be replaced with a shotcreating all-star level player.

He's expensive and hinders Simmons maximum development on offense.

Ideally, sure. Easier said than done though. And while he doesn't fill that high level perimeter creation void, he's a good player that fits reasonably well with those guys. It's just a tough ask to get a perimeter creator on a budget.

spikeslovechild · Post #770 » by **spikeslovechild** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:54 pm

elchengue20 wrote:Even if he played well in the clutch tonight, it was a great example of how his natural game comes from playing in the mid post or even the low post.

Hes just not a good fit as the secondary secorer and 3rd star for the Biid/Ben duo.

I don't understand this viewpoint at all he's a perfect fit. His ability to hit spot up J's, handle the basketball, and hit catch and shoot 3's fits perfectly.

And I want him backing down players when teams put a small on him just like I want the same with Simmons. Whats the point of having size on the court if you don't use it?

elchengue20 · Post #771 » by **elchengue20** » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:25 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Even if he played well in the clutch tonight, it was a great example of how his natural game comes from playing in the mid post or even the low post.

Hes just not a good fit as the secondary secorer and 3rd star for the Biid/Ben duo.

I don't understand this viewpoint at all he's a perfect fit. His ability to hit spot up J's, handle the basketball, and hit catch and shoot 3's fits perfectly.

And I want him backing down players when teams put a small on him just like I want the same with Simmons. Whats the point of having size on the court if you don't use it?

Hes nothing special as a three point shooter and as a ball handler.

If your 3 best players like to operate from the post and they arent prolific three point shooters, clearly you have a fit problem, you wont fully take advantage of their strenghts.

Still we are a good team because we have Embiid who is a MVP level player and Simmons who is DPOY material. Also Tobias is a good player, but he isnt what we need as a 3rd star and secondary scorer if we want to win a championship. If you are happy with being a top 4 seed and making the Playoffs, then sure hes great.

spikeslovechild · Post #772 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 7:30 pm

elchengue20 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Even if he played well in the clutch tonight, it was a great example of how his natural game comes from playing in the mid post or even the low post.

Hes just not a good fit as the secondary secorer and 3rd star for the Biid/Ben duo.

I don't understand this viewpoint at all he's a perfect fit. His ability to hit spot up J's, handle the basketball, and hit catch and shoot 3's fits perfectly.

And I want him backing down players when teams put a small on him just like I want the same with Simmons. Whats the point of having size on the court if you don't use it?

Hes nothing special as a three point shooter and as a ball handler.

If your 3 best players like to operate from the post and they arent prolific three point shooters, clearly you have a fit problem, you wont fully take advantage of their strenghts.

Still we are a good team because we have Embiid who is a MVP level player and Simmons who is DPOY material. Also Tobias is a good player, but he isnt what we need as a 3rd star and secondary scorer if we want to win a championship. If you are happy with being a top 4 seed and making the Playoffs, then sure hes great.

You aren't going to be able to trade Harris and improve the team. You maybe able to do that with Simmons but he's polarizing and you'd have to get a GM who believes in his potential.

Almost all the trades of Harris proposed here involve us getting worse as a result of them. Yes I'd like to move him for Beal or an elite guard which is what this roster needs but that isn't happening so I don't really get the reason why people keep hating on him. I mean I'd like to say I don't but I kind of do they think if they keep pointing out what Harris doesn't do well we will somehow ignore the real problem and that is we have a PG who can't shoot.

Both Embiid and Harris as bigs are well above average three point shooters at their position. They are far from the problem as it relates to floor spacing on this roster and because of Simmons max rookie deal it's not like if we move Harris we all of sudden have space for a max guy. If you are truly concerned about floor spacing and the construction of the roster the easiest fix is to move Simmons for the next all star guard that comes available which we already tried to do with harden

elchengue20 · Post #773 » by **elchengue20** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 8:21 pm

Yes, Ben non shooting is a big part of the problem. You could argue the easiest and more realistic way to fix our fit issues is to trade him. Actually it was my point during the offseason. And Morey tried to do just that by trading him for Harden.

I will hate on Tobias because hes a bad contract. Thats why its hard to get good value for him. Him being an ankward fit with our two core young stars just makes it worse.

spikeslovechild · Post #774 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Mar 9, 2021 10:08 pm

elchengue20 wrote:Yes, Ben non shooting is a big part of the problem. You could argue the easiest and more realistic way to fix our fit issues is to trade him. Actually it was my point during the offseason. And Morey tried to do just that by trading him for Harden.

I will hate on Tobias because hes a bad contract. Thats why its hard to get good value for him. Him being an ankward fit with our two core young stars just makes it worse.

He isn't a bad contract right now though.

I mean we'd all like to have Lebron, Kawhii, or some sort of true superstar and we tried if you remember. Hell we tried to get Harden and it would have been nice to have one of those guys eating a max slot rather then Harris but he is right now playing at an allstar level and that gets you max money.

Hell look at the contracts dolled out last offseason Hayward got 30M. Middleton also got a max deal. Kemba got a max deal. You may not like those deals but Harris contract is the going rate and with Simmons deal it's not like we would be able to maintain that slot and use it elsewhere so as a fan I am GLAD our owner signed him to the deal because that money would have just disappeared otherwise.

76ciology · Post #775 » by **76ciology** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:44 pm

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Post #776 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:27 pm

76ciology wrote:

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And he reads books

spikeslovechild · Post #777 » by **spikeslovechild** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:20 am

Sixerscan wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

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And he reads books

And he is good at basketball

kriss73 · Post #778 » by **kriss73** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am

I didn't see this coming: Tobias is playing at high level, all star level, and it's contract isn't such an albatross at this stage.
We'll see if he can carry this play quality even in the post season: it will be an huge leap for him and for the Sixers.

Imho he's even defending better tha in the past...definitley not a minus.

ProcessDoctor · Post #779 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:59 am

He’s been playing excellent. That being said, if his name was Jimmy Butler, I’d feel better about continued success in the playoffs.

zaz102 · Post #780 » by **zaz102** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:45 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:He’s been playing excellent. That being said, if his name was Jimmy Butler, I’d feel better about continued success in the playoffs.

I did like the comment recently from Harris that Doc told him he'll need to make his name in the playoffs and he understood.

We'll see if it translates, but considering what Doc has gotten out of him so far, I'm cautiously optimistic.