Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Rastas]

After watching our media day, I get the impression that this whole Ben drama wasn’t really about how the team acted on Ben.

Biid is right about his statement taken out of context. And you guys believe Ben didnt hear or knew the whole statement and also just take that single statement that made it sound like its his fault?

Even Tobi wasnt expecting it to have been a big issue he said if he only knew then he would have called for a meeting or something.

You know what I think? I think its just a business decision for Ben and he doesnt just want to make it look like its a selfish decision.

Ben has always been about himself since his LSU days. I do think this action gives him the opportunity to be bigger than what he is, whereas we all know that he’d just be a glue guy on our team. Another thing is Klutch has to position Maxey into the next big thing for them. By doing so, we’re likely going to pay Maxey his $30M atleast contract per year at some point.

Ben doesnt want to share the PG role. We’ve seen it with Jimmy or Fultz. He doesnt want to be on the dunker spot. And I think it likely eventually to happen with Maxey.

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Ben def ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed and selfish meaning what he’s doing now is pretty selfish/self centered to me. That’s fine but make it clear to everyone especially where you work and get paid (could be that who knows but the reports look bad).

Has player empowerment gone too far the other way

Also he did kick up a fuss about the whole Butler PG role thing.

From outside looking in he’s isn’t franchise material hence the divide in reality of himself wanting his own thing could be there all this time as the agenda.

Sixers have really catered every step of the way for Ben.

How many play's per game did you see that were catered for Ben.
That's right - almost none .
Now your understanding a bit more why he wants out.
Sure he was looked after behind the scenes - who wouldn't want to keep the ultimate Team Role Player happy.

[76ciology]

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

Haha ok. I just dont buy that he is offended by what Doc and Biid said, unless he just read headlines.

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

Yup. I can see that.

I see theres a lot of reasons leading to his decision to want to leave the team. The biggest is for his career decision to be on a team that is best for his career (i think they’re pushing a trade to the Bulls).

We all know the general public just see things black and white. And I think if you ask a random guy out there he’ll say its because of Doc and Biid’s statements. And I dont think it was that. If it player a part then i think its just a small role.

It just makes so much sense for Ben, Maxey and Klutch Sports.

[Rastas]

Haha ok. I just dont buy that he is offended by what Doc and Biid said, unless he just read headlines.

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

Yup. I can see that.

I see theres a lot of reasons leading to his decision to want to leave the team. The biggest is for his career decision to be on a team that is best for his career (i think they’re pushing a trade to the Bulls).

We all know the general public just see things black and white. And I think if you ask a random guy out there he’ll say its because of Doc and Biid’s statements. And I dont think it was that. If it player a part then i think its just a small role.

It just makes so much sense for Ben, Maxey and Klutch Sports.

Why do you think the Bulls.
Even as a Ben Stan I can't imagine his side having any leverage on where he ends up.

[DCasey91]

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Ben def ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed and selfish meaning what he’s doing now is pretty selfish/self centered to me. That’s fine but make it clear to everyone especially where you work and get paid (could be that who knows but the reports look bad).

Has player empowerment gone too far the other way

Also he did kick up a fuss about the whole Butler PG role thing.

From outside looking in he’s isn’t franchise material hence the divide in reality of himself wanting his own thing could be there all this time as the agenda.

Sixers have really catered every step of the way for Ben.

How many play's per game did you see that were catered for Ben.
That's right - almost none .
Now your understanding a bit more why he wants out.
Sure he was looked after behind the scenes - who wouldn't want to keep the ultimate Team Role Player happy.

1. It’s his own fault at the end of the day for being such a flawed player. Don’t give me this woe is me stuff especially to Ben. As time goes he’s had more than enough

2. He was our PG advocated by the coach and the whole org for the majority of the years/games and plays that’s a huge backlog of evidence

3. He got a max deal when it was obvious he’s flawed

4. We literally brought in Horford to remedy the problem. We bring in/draft one dimensional shooters to remedy the problem. Fact is Ben is a problem now more than ever.

5. Had a sook when the keys had to be taken out of his hands because it wasn’t working. Keep trying to fit a square peg in a round hole see how far you can get

If you have a mule you open up the gate and let it go as soon as possible

Train horses cant train mules so to speak

How is Ben a team role player when currently he’s strong arming a multi billion dollar organization right as we speak? That’s not being a team player that’s being selfish. Never heard him admit to his own problems.

That for me is the key reason as to why he will never improve, that is the first step to recovery and onwards to personal development.

[76ciology]

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

Yup. I can see that.

I see theres a lot of reasons leading to his decision to want to leave the team. The biggest is for his career decision to be on a team that is best for his career (i think they’re pushing a trade to the Bulls).

We all know the general public just see things black and white. And I think if you ask a random guy out there he’ll say its because of Doc and Biid’s statements. And I dont think it was that. If it player a part then i think its just a small role.

It just makes so much sense for Ben, Maxey and Klutch Sports.

Why do you think the Bulls.
Even as a Ben Stan I can't imagine his side having any leverage on where he ends up.

I could misread it but there was a rumor about Ben and his camp was trying to get Ben traded to the Bulls right?

If you have been following my posts, ive said it before how Bulls, Wolves, Nuggets and Cavs are the ideal landing spots for Ben.

I think Ben would be great with Lavine, Derozan and Vuc. Lavine and Vuc dynamic is similar to KAT and DLo. Then having Derozan, Vuc and Lavine gives you enough shot makers that you wouldnt want to ask Ben for scoring.

[Rastas]

Edit - Sorry this is in response to DCasey91 above chat.
Hahahaha , talking about having a sook.
I'm wondering for how much longer all you whingers will be blaming Ben for anything Negative to do with the 6ers.
I'm surprised you guy's haven't started a thread blaming Ben for Covid yet.

[Rastas]

Hahahaha , talking about having a sook.
I'm wondering for how much longer all you whingers will be blaming Ben for anything Negative to do with the 6ers.
I'm surprised you guy's haven't started a thread blaming Ben for Covid yet.

Well as a Ben Stan I would moderately guess he would be Great on over 20 Teams, and Yes even the current worse teams as well as many contenders.

[eyeatoma]

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

Haha ok. I just dont buy that he is offended by what Doc and Biid said, unless he just read headlines.

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

This is probably the most logical conclusion.

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[erving4ever]

Haha ok. I just dont buy that he is offended by what Doc and Biid said, unless he just read headlines.

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

This is probably the most logical conclusion.

All this, yes, but bottomline, Ben is afraid to face the fans.

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[Rastas]

He wasn't , he just used that as added incentive to leave , Ben for quite some time has wanted out and used the comments and the Fan reaction as the chance to get away.

This is probably the most logical conclusion.

All this, yes, but bottomline, Ben is afraid to face the fans.

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And the more you guy's keep reacting this way the more power your giving Ben to justify his move.

[Stanford]

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

If Ben has stopped caring about being known as a point guard, he's done so recently.

[ankle420breaker]

This is probably the most logical conclusion.

All this, yes, but bottomline, Ben is afraid to face the fans.

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And the more you guy's keep reacting this way the more power your giving Ben to justify his move.

Disagree. Philly fans aren't a singular voice when it comes to Ben. Collapsing in the playoffs, demanding a trade, shutting off communication, blaming the fans, not reporting to camp, refusing to meet with teammates, etc. Klutch is just using the Philly fan stigmata as a desperate scapegoat to deflect away from Ben's inadequacies. It's a load of absurdity and most who think for themselves aren't buying into it.

Hoops fans nationwide widely agree there's no defending his off-season antics. His criticism is justified and we as sixer fans have every right to be disappointed.

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[Rastas]

And the more you guy's keep reacting this way the more power your giving Ben to justify his move.

Disagree. Philly fans aren't a singular voice when it comes to Ben. Collapsing in the playoffs, demanding a trade, shutting off communication, blaming the fans, not reporting to camp, refusing to meet with teammates, etc. Klutch is just using the Philly fan stigmata as a desperate scapegoat to deflect away from Ben's inadequacies. It's a load of absurdity and most who think for themselves aren't buying into it.

Hoops fans nationwide widely agree there's no defending his off-season antics. His criticism is justified and we as sixer fans have every right to be disappointed.

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Aahh Yes - The Pack Mentality of Hating is strong on RealGM going by just how many Ben threads on the Main Board this offseason.
And yet not one offical word out of Ben's mouth has been recorded to react over - just a bunch of he said she said Click Bait to Stir the Masses.
You guy's can continue to be disappointed in Ben's performances - that's fair - but from Ben's point of view it was a building up of frustration on how he was being told to play that has led to where we are now.
That and his Off Court Family issues led to what we saw in Hawks Playoffs.

[Stanford]

but from Ben's point of view it was a building up of frustration on how he was being told to play that has led to where we are now.

Could you elaborate on this? How was he being told to play? I'm a little confused because he's been coddled by every coach he's had here.

[RedSalsa]

I might be in the minority here but I’m under the impression Darrell Morey is handling this perfectly. Why give him away? Why not wait till a team gets off to an unexpected bad start, or an injury happens? you have until the deadline - and I’m pretty sure Maxey and Tisse can pretty much make up for Ben’s so called production. We all know Ben is a better regular season player but what counts is the playoffs. I think Morey is doing everything right.

[Wilfried]

I might be in the minority here but I’m under the impression Darrell Morey is handling this perfectly. Why give him away? Why not wait till a team gets off to an unexpected bad start, or an injury happens? you have until the deadline - and I’m pretty sure Maxey and Tisse can pretty much make up for Ben’s so called production. We all know Ben is a better regular season player but what counts is the playoffs. I think Morey is doing everything right.

It's about showing some reality.

Simmons is under contract (as an employee) and has to respect some basic stuff, like that contract to name something
And Morey knows this too and indeed, we are looking very closely at the TrailBlazers the first months of the season

And on the other side, Ben Simmons is getting fine after fine from the Sixers and also getting a bill from Rich Paul for his 'services' in that regard. Let him do the math

[phillynative]

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Ben def ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed and selfish meaning what he’s doing now is pretty selfish/self centered to me. That’s fine but make it clear to everyone especially where you work and get paid (could be that who knows but the reports look bad).

Has player empowerment gone too far the other way

Also he did kick up a fuss about the whole Butler PG role thing.

From outside looking in he’s isn’t franchise material hence the divide in reality of himself wanting his own thing could be there all this time as the agenda.

Sixers have really catered every step of the way for Ben.

How many play's per game did you see that were catered for Ben.
That's right - almost none .
Now your understanding a bit more why he wants out.
Sure he was looked after behind the scenes - who wouldn't want to keep the ultimate Team Role Player happy.

1. It’s his own fault at the end of the day for being such a flawed player. Don’t give me this woe is me stuff especially to Ben. As time goes he’s had more than enough

2. He was our PG advocated by the coach and the whole org for the majority of the years/games and plays that’s a huge backlog of evidence

3. He got a max deal when it was obvious he’s flawed

4. We literally brought in Horford to remedy the problem. We bring in/draft one dimensional shooters to remedy the problem. Fact is Ben is a problem now more than ever.

5. Had a sook when the keys had to be taken out of his hands because it wasn’t working. Keep trying to fit a square peg in a round hole see how far you can get

If you have a mule you open up the gate and let it go as soon as possible

Train horses cant train mules so to speak

How is Ben a team role player when currently he’s strong arming a multi billion dollar organization right as we speak? That’s not being a team player that’s being selfish. Never heard him admit to his own problems.

That for me is the key reason as to why he will never improve, that is the first step to recovery and onwards to personal development.

Exactly the bens stans are delusional but atleast they are diminishing.

[eyeatoma]

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Ben def ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed and selfish meaning what he’s doing now is pretty selfish/self centered to me. That’s fine but make it clear to everyone especially where you work and get paid (could be that who knows but the reports look bad).

Has player empowerment gone too far the other way

Also he did kick up a fuss about the whole Butler PG role thing.

From outside looking in he’s isn’t franchise material hence the divide in reality of himself wanting his own thing could be there all this time as the agenda.

Sixers have really catered every step of the way for Ben.

How many play's per game did you see that were catered for Ben.
That's right - almost none .
Now your understanding a bit more why he wants out.
Sure he was looked after behind the scenes - who wouldn't want to keep the ultimate Team Role Player happy.

You really go in circles with this ish don't you?

How many times have they catered to Ben?

How about, oh Ben you're the Pg. Markelle scare you? No problem, you can still be the PG? Did Jimmy hurt your feelings? It's okay you can be the PG. Infact, we'll not resign him, and piss off Jo while we're at it. Is Jo not spreading the floor enough, he can take more 3s. Hey Ben, can you take 1 three a game? No, that's okay. How about a 3 a quarter? Can I ask your mom and dad to remind you about that?

Are you serious right now? You're joking right? He has been THE most coddled player in the league.

[DCasey91]

Edit - Sorry this is in response to DCasey91 above chat.
Hahahaha , talking about having a sook.
I'm wondering for how much longer all you whingers will be blaming Ben for anything Negative to do with the 6ers.
I'm surprised you guy's haven't started a thread blaming Ben for Covid yet.

I sense irony about having a sook.... the emotional attachment to Ben is strong with this one.

Are you related to him by any chance?

[DCasey91]

And the more you guy's keep reacting this way the more power your giving Ben to justify his move.

Disagree. Philly fans aren't a singular voice when it comes to Ben. Collapsing in the playoffs, demanding a trade, shutting off communication, blaming the fans, not reporting to camp, refusing to meet with teammates, etc. Klutch is just using the Philly fan stigmata as a desperate scapegoat to deflect away from Ben's inadequacies. It's a load of absurdity and most who think for themselves aren't buying into it.

Hoops fans nationwide widely agree there's no defending his off-season antics. His criticism is justified and we as sixer fans have every right to be disappointed.

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Aahh Yes - The Pack Mentality of Hating is strong on RealGM going by just how many Ben threads on the Main Board this offseason.
And yet not one offical word out of Ben's mouth has been recorded to react over - just a bunch of he said she said Click Bait to Stir the Masses.
You guy's can continue to be disappointed in Ben's performances - that's fair - but from Ben's point of view it was a building up of frustration on how he was being told to play that has led to where we are now.
That and his Off Court Family issues led to what we saw in Hawks Playoffs.

1. How do you know this is Ben’s POI? Are you his mind?

2. He seemed to do fine before the Hawks Series. Players have serious issues they take time off. That is a private matter no one knows besides his own family/friends.

3. I just want to see if we can make it to part VI. But thanks for contributing in possibly getting there