2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft

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[Stanford]

I'd be shocked if Edey made it to 16.

[mjkvol]

Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.

No question that instincts are a huge part of it, but a high IQ kid like da Silva, with a few more lbs. , should be at least a serviceable rebounder. Not Rodman, Barkley, or Hart, but 6-8 rebounds a game?

[the_process]

Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.

I was watching one of these YouTube prospect breakdown videos of probably Devin Carter and the guy was talking about how one of his scout contacts mentions the one sure-fire translatable skill from college to the pros is rebounding. If the player has a natural nose for the ball and willingness to go after it, then they'll display that at the next level.

That's why guys like Harrison Ingram intrigue me in the second round. Also another reason why I'm interested in Carrington. If nothing else, it displays effort which can make or break a prospect.

Who is the guy who gives Jaylen Brown the most trouble? Since he's their best player according to Jason Kidd and Jrue Holiday.

[Negrodamus]

A savvy move would be Jared McCain at 16 as a off the bench scorer. His final month was very impressive that hit on pretty much ever statistical marker I'm looking for:

17ppg (48% FG, 51% 2FG, 46% 3FG, 93% FT), .304 FTr, .593 3PAr. On the season, he was a 2.0 STL% and 11 AST%. Both are barely over my threshold, but when you account for the freshman factor, you have to imagine he'll only improve over time.

His shooting numbers suggest he'll be automatic in the next level. I don't know if we can ever figure out a fit for Maxey and McCain on the court at the same time, but his stats suggest to me that he'll be, at minimum, a starter type player at some point. If we can get the most out of his time on the court, he could be a valuable trade piece at some point. As for imminently, he provides the type of scoring spark we've desperately needed from our bench.

[Negrodamus]

Don't you think there's also an unteachable aspect to rebounding? Some guys just seem to know where the ball is going and how best to get to it. And some guys don't.

I was watching one of these YouTube prospect breakdown videos of probably Devin Carter and the guy was talking about how one of his scout contacts mentions the one sure-fire translatable skill from college to the pros is rebounding. If the player has a natural nose for the ball and willingness to go after it, then they'll display that at the next level.

That's why guys like Harrison Ingram intrigue me in the second round. Also another reason why I'm interested in Carrington. If nothing else, it displays effort which can make or break a prospect.

Who is the guy who gives Jaylen Brown the most trouble? Since he's their best player according to Jason Kidd and Jrue Holiday.

It actually seems like Jrue is their most impactful player right now. Jaylen usually took himself out of games during our series with them. All of this to say, I don't think it really matters. Their top 6 are starter level players across the league (Brown, Tatum, Jrue, White, Porzingis, Horford). Kudos to their FO for figuring it out because it allows them to have at least someone to blow up when the stars are cold, which is frequent.

[Negrodamus]

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I mean, if you have the confidence to take some of these shots as a freshman and have the confidence to show yourself painting your nails on social media, then I think you'll have a solid mind for the NBA.

[Arsenal]

I’m a huge fan of McCain based solely on the numbers. It’s just he’s not a good fit with Maxey. Even so, if he’s the BPA take him anyway and figure it out later. Worst case you can trade him for a haul after a year or two.

[stormi]

Tyson, Walter, Holmes love itt. Keep manifesting.

[Kobblehead]

Going to need guys at least 6'4" without shoes.

[Negrodamus]

I'm struggling with JaKobe Walter. I think I'm out on him.

[stormi]

A savvy move would be Jared McCain at 16 as a off the bench scorer. His final month was very impressive that hit on pretty much ever statistical marker I'm looking for:

17ppg (48% FG, 51% 2FG, 46% 3FG, 93% FT), .304 FTr, .593 3PAr. On the season, he was a 2.0 STL% and 11 AST%. Both are barely over my threshold, but when you account for the freshman factor, you have to imagine he'll only improve over time.

His shooting numbers suggest he'll be automatic in the next level. I don't know if we can ever figure out a fit for Maxey and McCain on the court at the same time, but his stats suggest to me that he'll be, at minimum, a starter type player at some point. If we can get the most out of his time on the court, he could be a valuable trade piece at some point. As for imminently, he provides the type of scoring spark we've desperately needed from our bench.

I agree with the person that said he was a better fit next to Simmons than Maxey. I've been surprised with how playable Boston's construction has allowed Pritchard to be. He's getting real finals minutes against top perimeter scorers and holding his own. Of course it helps that he has a million high level switchable wings and defenders around him.

I think McCain is a sure bet to be a niche player in the NBA, and Embiid would love playing alongside of him. I just don't think he would ever be startable next to Maxey deeper in the postseason and have you to factor that in the evaluation process.

Bub Carrington is also fascinating due to his age and production as one of the youngest players in the nation. He's probably the best bet to find genuine off the dribble shot creation ability in our range. I think he measured in just under 6'4 which was a bit disappointing from the 6'5 that he was listed as (+4 wingspan was very nice).

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Genuine on the ball scorer from all three levels combined with his pull up shooting is a winning combination. He was also something like 50% on non-rim 2’s with 90% of it unassisted.

Big question with him is if he has the burst to take NBA defenders off of the dribble / finish at the rim and defend guards with speed or bigger wings with his so-so athleticism.

I'd probably have both McCain and Carrington in my tier two of guys I'd consider at 16 along with TDS.

[Negrodamus]

I did a little dive on past drafts and man, I'm a little shook by drafting a Jr or Sr. Guys like Chandler Hutchison really broke my brain. He hit on a lot of things I'm looking for, but I honestly think Sr have to be perfect for me to be interested in selecting them in the first round. No 72% from free throw or they can't generate steals, assists, etc. I liked Jaylon Tyson when first watching him, but he was on a losing team, wasn't a gigantics FTr or 3PAr, mediocre at the rim... I'm out. Terrence Shannon? Aside from his off court issues, he doesn't have a legit form on his shot. He basically gave up on defense this year. He's not a rebounder at all. I out in terms of him being a first round pick. I'm more interested in younger guys who hit most, or even all, of the markers despite them having some limitations (McCain with W/S and sub 6'4; Klintman having a mediocre W/S).

That said, this is an absolute abysmal draft.

[Negrodamus]

A savvy move would be Jared McCain at 16 as a off the bench scorer. His final month was very impressive that hit on pretty much ever statistical marker I'm looking for:

17ppg (48% FG, 51% 2FG, 46% 3FG, 93% FT), .304 FTr, .593 3PAr. On the season, he was a 2.0 STL% and 11 AST%. Both are barely over my threshold, but when you account for the freshman factor, you have to imagine he'll only improve over time.

His shooting numbers suggest he'll be automatic in the next level. I don't know if we can ever figure out a fit for Maxey and McCain on the court at the same time, but his stats suggest to me that he'll be, at minimum, a starter type player at some point. If we can get the most out of his time on the court, he could be a valuable trade piece at some point. As for imminently, he provides the type of scoring spark we've desperately needed from our bench.

I agree with the person that said he was a better fit next to Simmons than Maxey. I've been surprised with how playable Boston's construction has allowed Pritchard to be. He's getting real finals minutes against top perimeter scorers and holding his own. Of course it helps that he has a million high level switchable wings and defenders around him.

I think McCain is a sure bet to be a niche player in the NBA, and Embiid would love playing alongside of him. I just don't think he would ever be startable next to Maxey deeper in the postseason and have you to factor that in the evaluation process.

Bub Carrington is also fascinating due to his age and production as one of the youngest players in the nation. He's probably the best bet to find genuine off the dribble shot creation ability in our range. I think he measured in just under 6'4 which was a bit disappointing from the 6'5 that he was listed as (+4 wingspan was very nice).

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Genuine on the ball scorer from all three levels combined with his pull up shooting is a winning combination. He was also something like 50% on non-rim 2’s with 90% of it unassisted.

Big question with him is if he has the burst to take NBA defenders off of the dribble / finish at the rim and defend guards with speed or bigger wings with his so-so athleticism.

I'd probably have both McCain and Carrington in my tier two of guys I'd consider at 16 along with TDS.

Yea, I've been hammering home Carrington the last few pages but I understand there isn't really an appetite for a project. He would probably need time in the G League to cook and get weight on his frame so he can finish at the basket. I feel his floor is a better Shake Milton, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Better difficult shot maker. His stats are tough for me though. Trash STL%, FTr, BPM.. for someone who started every game, I would have liked better production. I was encouraged by his end of year numbers though.

I think McCain can come in and produce sooner since he is a sniper. Also seems to put in a ton of effort on rebounding and isn't a complete liability on defense. My concern with McCain is his handles; seem pretty basic. I'd be taking him with the thought process of him being a Cole Anthony/Collin Sexton off the bench sparkplug scorer to start his career and if it takes off, use him in a trade or figure out a way to coexist with Tyrese.

[stormi]

Shake really looked like he was eclipsing into a genuinely valuable asset in 2020 when we played Boston in the bubble. 14/3/3 on 47/40/85 and 10 threes per 100 possessions.

But like everyone else we've ever known he came back with a hitch in his jumper and his career tumbled along with it.

If Carrington could be a superior version of that Shake, you take that and run.

[stormi]

Terrence Shannon screams Kelly Oubre Jr to me.

[Negrodamus]

Shake really looked like he was eclipsing into a genuinely valuable asset in 2020 when we played Boston in the bubble. 14/3/3 on 47/40/85 and 10 threes per 100 possessions.

But like everyone else we've ever known he came back with a hitch in his jumper and his career tumbled along with it.

If Carrington could be a superior version of that Shake, you take that and run.

Just going through past drafts and I'm seeing guys like Frank Jackson, Malachi Richardson, Dejounte Murray, Jaylen Brown, Troy Brown, Rashad Vaughn as freshmen with similar BPM as Carrington. Not that BPM is the end all be all of indicators, but it's harder to find those hits when there's a sea of misses with a sub 5 BPM.

[Jailblazers7]

I think the comp I would give Bub Carrington is Spencer Dinwiddie. Tough shot maker who can lead your offense in a pinch but not athletic enough to get to the rim consistently.

He’s a good kid tho who plays with a lot of poise & effort. I’d excited to have him as a Sixer and he could be a contributor sooner than you’d think.

[Negrodamus]

I think the comp I would give Bub Carrington is Spencer Dinwiddie. Tough shot maker who can lead your offense in a pinch but not athletic enough to get to the rim consistently.

He’s a good kid tho who plays with a lot of poise & effort. I’d excited to have him as a Sixer and he could be a contributor sooner than you’d think.

Current Dinwiddie, yea. Dinwiddie at Colorado was an insane FTr machine.

I'm just telling myself that he's still filling into his body and is young. Not sure he'll ever be a FTr guy, but he'll always be able to get a shot off.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You take Carrington or Walter, or De Silva at 16 and RUN.