Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

[OleSchool]

This season, as of March 27th, 81.1% of Grant's minutes have been played at PF...

By that person's own estimation he admits it's hardly a full proof statistic. Grant was given the ball and asked to create around the perimeter and asked to guard swing players more times than not. A horrendous use of a young big.

Grant was drafted early on in the process, regardless, nobody is drafting for fit in the second round (especially Hinkie, har har).

You are when you've built a team where a second rounder will get 25+ min more than likely. And if Hinkie's valuation of Grant/Clarkson was still that off then that's barely a defense of him.

Cite? You said that Lowe mentioned about the agents, if I recall he was referring to non-guaranteed contracts (referred to as Hinkie special's). That's not what Covington was signed to, his years are guaranteed. You said on top of jerking Covington around, I assumed you meant Lowe said both(?).

Clearly talking about each issue separately, try following along. On top of the Hinkie specials he's giving out deals to players that will inevitably hate him for taking advantage of their vulnerability. The fact a new contract for RoCo has never been even suggested furthers that even more.

You're a hostile poster. Interacting with you is annoying.

If only I were like every other poster who sang the gospel of St Sam, eh? You're not signed to a bad contract that includes you having to interact with me, feel free to not.

you're rather hostile. Hinkie do something to you personally??

[Sixercise]

Yeah, Colangelo shouldn't get any credit for getting the three big pieces in Toronto...

BUT MAN THE OWNERSHIP FIRING HINKIE BEFORE HIS MASTER 13 YEAR PLAN CAME TO FRUITION? GRRRRR. He didn't even get use tha assetz!

See my other post in the "colangelo" topic. I actually think that BC has done a better than average job of finding talent thru the draft. If the "3 big pieces" you're referring to are DD, Lowry, and JV, realistically i can only credit BC for DD, even though his bell curve improvement has taken a while to develop given where he was drafted. Lowry, as was made painfully clear, was a last ditch option after Steve Nash fell through. But Lowry, as you know, did not blossom until Ujiri took reins of the team. And JV isn't really all that.

I'm not sure why you have such an obsession with Hinkie - your condescending tone isn't welcome here. He's already gone - why instigate further?

[Mik317]

why are yall still talking to this guy?
You aren't going to change his mind and he doesn't care to listen to your side either....so let it go and hopefully he leaves already

[sam-hinkie]

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[LongLiveHinkie]

Dangerous commie out for blood. I'm legit worried about Hinkie safety with this nut.

[CoreyGallagher]

Nobody should have to leave, just everyone should attempt to post respectfully imo. Everyone^.

[truth18]

[GiantRobot]

http://nbawowy.com/aumusho8arjmbp8zv5lpvnp14i#/aumusho8arjmbp8zv5lpvnp14i

is that site hosted by Angelfire?

No, you're still not.

There is not a huge difference between players at a certain point, teams generally pick things they could use in the second round and hope it works out. Also the second round's success rate is significantly higher in the first 10 picks then the rest of the second round, obviously. Sixers missed out on Clarkson for another big guy who's fighting for minutes, I mean... if Embiid were healthy the past year that would've eaten into what playing time Grant had already and put Holmes completely on ice. The roster right now is a total joke, one where players' contracts are ending sooner than you're going to be able to trade them for actual value. Then you'll have to pay them or let them walk for free. BAD STRATEGY.

How do you know Clarkson wasn't next up?

then his idea to take big after taking Noel, Saric and Embiid looks that much more ridiculous

Covington isn't even halfway through his current contract. Regardless, how do you know that it hadn't been discussed?

Who has Sam Hinkie re-signed so far? And no rumors for RoCo? Yeah, no. It wasn't happening.

[GiantRobot]

why are yall still talking to this guy?
You aren't going to change his mind and he doesn't care to listen to your side either....so let it go and hopefully he leaves already

I'm on post like post 25 now of listening to their side, if I weren't I wouldn't be quoting people in every single post. I know you want me in the ceremonial white robe, chanting "Hinkie is good, Hinkie is great" but I'm choosing to not fall in love with a 10 win GM.

[Negrodamus]

why are yall still talking to this guy?
You aren't going to change his mind and he doesn't care to listen to your side either....so let it go and hopefully he leaves already

I'm on post like post 25 now of listening to their side, if I weren't I wouldn't be quoting people in every single post. I know you want me in the ceremonial white robe, chanting "Hinkie is good, Hinkie is great" but I'm choosing to not fall in love with a 10 win GM.

Your hyperbolic commentary mixed with speculation as fact makes me want to block you more than any other user I've come across, and that's saying something. You're trolling everyone, not bringing a compelling counterpoint.

NYSixerfan, despite being maddeningly against anything Hinkie did, actually offered strong commentary for opposing views. You seem like a fan just dropping in, uninformed, trying to piss off a fan base for no reason.

[GiantRobot]

Your hyperbolic commentary mixed with speculation as fact makes me want to block you more than any other user I've come across, and that's saying something. You're trolling everyone, not bringing a compelling counterpoint.

I'm trolling while also being hyperbolic and speculative? I'm sorry I've used conjecture to come to some simple conclusions, I guess I should be more like the rest of the pro-Hinkie crowd and just realize Embiid is god, Saric is the next Dirk, the Lakers pick will definitely convey in a worthwhile pick and Hinkie, despite in 3 years not gathering a single decent player on the team outside of high picks, is actually a master evaluater who was on the verge of putting together a roster not unlike the 50s-60s Red Auerbach Celtics.

You know, hard facts like that.

Maybe arguments aren't compelling to you because you don't put serious consideration to anything but your own dogma? Na, can't be that

[Mik317]

the moment one starts using the "oh anybody who doesn't agree w/ me must be apart of a cult herp derp", it is very hard to take that person serious.
Because at that point, what is the point of the discussion if you already think the very people you are talking to are just cultists?

FOH with that ****. It is the worst forum debate tool ever.

[CoreyGallagher]

is that site hosted by Angelfire?

I'm not familiar with web site hosting nor Angelfire, but from googling it it seems to be hosted by Modulus(?).

There is not a huge difference between players at a certain point, teams generally pick things they could use in the second round and hope it works out. Also the second round's success rate is significantly higher in the first 10 picks then the rest of the second round, obviously. Sixers missed out on Clarkson for another big guy who's fighting for minutes, I mean... if Embiid were healthy the past year that would've eaten into what playing time Grant had already and put Holmes completely on ice. The roster right now is a total joke, one where players' contracts are ending sooner than you're going to be able to trade them for actual value. Then you'll have to pay them or let them walk for free. BAD STRATEGY.

Could argue at that time - because we knew Embiid and Saric would miss at least a season and we already had MCW and Wroten - we needed a wing about as much as we needed another tall PG that supposedly couldn't shoot (0.76 ppp on all jumpers in college). Shooting was viewed as weakness of his; although to his credit, he has improved a lot.

then his idea to take big after taking Noel, Saric and Embiid looks that much more ridiculous

He was projected to be a hybrid coming out of college (DX actually has him as a SF), however he's played considerably better at PF in the NBA and it's probably been rationalized since then that is the position that will maximize his potential. Has played more PF this season than last even with the addition of so many other bigs.

Who has Sam Hinkie re-signed so far? And no rumors for RoCo? Yeah, no. It wasn't happening.

Usually rumors don't surface about re-signing a player this early into their contract.

[Negrodamus]

Your hyperbolic commentary mixed with speculation as fact makes me want to block you more than any other user I've come across, and that's saying something. You're trolling everyone, not bringing a compelling counterpoint.

I'm trolling while also being hyperbolic and speculative? I'm sorry I've used conjecture to come to some simple conclusions, I guess I should be more like the rest of the pro-Hinkie crowd and just realize Embiid is god, Saric is the next Dirk, the Lakers pick will definitely convey in a worthwhile pick and Hinkie, despite in 3 years not gathering a single decent player on the team outside of high picks, is actually a master evaluater who was on the verge of putting together a roster not unlike the 50s-60s Red Auerbach Celtics.

You know, hard facts like that.

Maybe arguments aren't compelling to you because you don't put serious consideration to anything but your own dogma? Na, can't be that

There it is! Case in point. The hyperbolic garbage argument. Everyone is either on one end of the spectrum or the other. I assume you voted for Trump.

We can't acknowledge that Embiid could be something special, or that Saric is playing exceptionally well in Europe so we should get a little excited about that, or that a top 5 pick could pan out and be something special.

[GiantRobot]

There it is! Case in point. The hyperbolic garbage argument. Everyone is either on one end of the spectrum or the other. I assume you voted for Trump.

Who is the troll again..? (the Election isn't until November BTW, and PA primary isn't for two weeks)

We can't acknowledge that Embiid could be something special, or that Saric is playing exceptionally well in Europe so we should get a little excited about that, or that a top 5 pick could pan out and be something special.

They're players, they could make the team better, but thanks to poor planning they're all caught behind others at their positions as well. They, like all of Hinkie's moves, have been IOUs to team building, and we were 3 years in. That was enough rain checks on doing his job for me

[GiantRobot]

I'm not familiar with web site hosting nor Angelfire, but from googling it it seems to be hosted by Modulus(?).

I did not anticipate such a young poster on here. Angelfire hosted websites were primitie user made webpages used mostly in the late 90s/early 2000s

Could argue at that time - because we knew Embiid and Saric would miss at least a season and we already had MCW and Wroten

Wroten was playing SG quite a bit by that time and Hinkie knew he had other plans for MCW by that point. A PG who can't shoot was never going to last with Hinkie. The need was there.

He was projected to be a hybrid coming out of college (DX actually has him projected as SF), however he's played considerably better at PF in the NBA and it's probably been rationalized since then that is the position that will maximize his potential. Has played more PF this season than last even with the addition of so many other bigs.

This falls into the talent evaluation category if he did think he was a SF. He never has shown any handle or 3 point shooting in college or the pros to date, his three now is still rough but it still somehow manages to look better than it did out of college.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You know, we had good discussion in this topic, and now it is full of petty bickering, condescension, and childish passive-aggressive insults.

If that's what you guys want this topic's discussions to be about, then by all means, carry on.

[Negrodamus]

Who is the troll again..? (the Election isn't until November BTW, and PA primary isn't for two weeks)

You, it's you. I'm not trying to get a rise out of the entire board for no reason.

They're players, they could make the team better, but thanks to poor planning they're all caught behind others at their positions as well. They, like all of Hinkie's moves, have been IOUs to team building, and we were 3 years in. That was enough rain checks on doing his job for me

Yep, and if we want to trade Okafor to make the pieces all fit, we can do that this offseason because Okafor ended up having an incredibly successful rookie year. If we took almost anyone other than Okafor (couldn't take Porzingis as much as Hinkie tried), we wouldn't have the same value that Okafor currently possesses. I'd rather have 3 centers that have high value than take someone just to make it fit. Otherwise we have Hezonja or Mudiay right now and they have just OK trade value.

[CoreyGallagher]

I did not anticipate such a young poster on here. Angelfire hosted websites were primitie user made webpages used mostly in the late 90s/early 2000s

I was not aware.

Wroten was playing SG quite a bit by that time and Hinkie knew he had other plans for MCW by that point. A PG who can't shoot was never going to last with Hinkie. The need was there.

Still, they'd have been redundant and if that is your belief then perhaps that's why he didn't actually draft Clarkson, idk.
I personally believe that building was organic and he probably hoped that MCW or Wroten could improve their shooting similarly to how Clarkson has - ironically.

If what you're suggesting was his plan, then he may have hoped to and eventually would have traded MCW, but I doubt he went into last season's trade deadline anticipating that a team would offer a commodity as valuable as the Lakers' pick for him. If that wasn't offered then MCW would have probably been our PG past that.

This falls into the talent evaluation category if he did think he was a SF. He never has shown any handle or 3 point shooting in college or the pros to date, his three now is still rough but it still somehow manages to look better than it did out of college.

May have been hoping he could develop a 3 point shot, assuming that's why he took so many last season - be a 3&D player or at least a defensive specialist.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Grant has been playing the bulk of his minutes at power forward, not sure why dude keeps arguing that he's played more at small forward.