Where is Nerlens?

[rzzzzz]

I really believe that the NBA pressured the 76ers to let go of Hinkie.

I thought that had already been established.

I think Silver was on the warpath last year after losing the vote on changing the lottery. i'm guessing he approached sixers owners and not the other way around.

[Ericb5]

I really believe that the NBA pressured the 76ers to let go of Hinkie.

I thought that had already been established.

I think Silver was on the warpath last year after losing the vote on changing the lottery. i'm guessing he approached sixers owners and not the other way around.

Either way, it was the putrid start that did him in, and we wouldn't have had that putrid start had we had competent point guard play. I agree with Hinkie that it really didn't matter how bad the team on the court was in the long run, but it clearly mattered in terms of the optics to outsiders.

Whatever though. It is done. The process succeeded, and will continue to bear fruit in terms of the Lakers pick, our picks(remember we got back our own protected pick in the Saric deal) and the Kings swap and pick. As long as BC doesn't screw it up, we are in great shape.

[ankle420breaker]

I wonder how long this groin injury keeps him off the court. With Okafor and Simmons out its an opportune time for him to earn his minutes. Coming off a poor sophomore season it's not like he couldn't use the work.

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[hookshot199]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

Amen. The most frustrating thing about the Nerlens/Okafor discussion is that we have ample cap space not to make any hasty decisions (yes, we can match a max offer to Noel and wait for a trade to come to us) and that they're 22 and 20 respectively. Their detractors want to trade them for some chickensh*t guard that you can draft 10, 15 or 20 in almost any draft, any year. Noel is going to be a regular all-defensive team player. Okafor is going to be a 20-plus per game scorer. What's the freaking rush?

[hookshot199]

Noel was a lotto pick, but doesn't have lotto pick value. Agree that there's no need to rush him out at the moment, but the pressure will increase as we near the deadline.

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Most lotto picks don't have lotto pick value.

[hookshot199]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

Who's your source that Hinkie lost his job over the Okafor pick? If this is speculation, then say so. My speculation is that he lost his job because he didn't sign a veteran point guard to begin the season and, in part because of that, he put an unpresentable product on the court. Also my speculation is that he drafted Okafor as insurance when Embiid went down - again a week before the draft. It was a safe pick. It was a smart pick. Perhaps Prozingis would have been a better pick. But we're talking of 20-year-olds. You all seem to forget that. You just don't like Okafor.

[TGFA]

for how long we waited... sucking to get these guys, we owe it to ourselves to give them at least a little time on the court together before we ship the out for crap.

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

Who's your source that Hinkie lost his job over the Okafor pick? If this is speculation, then say so. My speculation is that he lost his job because he didn't sign a veteran point guard to begin the season and, in part because of that, he put an unpresentable product on the court. Also my speculation is that he drafted Okafor as insurance when Embiid went down - again a week before the draft. It was a safe pick. It was a smart pick. Perhaps Prozingis would have been a better pick. But we're talking of 20-year-olds. You all seem to forget that. You just don't like Okafor.

the reason Hinkie did that was because he wanted the best odds for the first pick and he was right.
2 years we got close but could not #1 pick because we won too many games.
we would not have Simmons if Hinkie signed a vet PG before the season.

[Ericb5]

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

Who's your source that Hinkie lost his job over the Okafor pick? If this is speculation, then say so. My speculation is that he lost his job because he didn't sign a veteran point guard to begin the season and, in part because of that, he put an unpresentable product on the court. Also my speculation is that he drafted Okafor as insurance when Embiid went down - again a week before the draft. It was a safe pick. It was a smart pick. Perhaps Prozingis would have been a better pick. But we're talking of 20-year-olds. You all seem to forget that. You just don't like Okafor.

the reason Hinkie did that was because he wanted the best odds for the first pick and he was right.
2 years we got close but could not #1 pick because we won too many games.
we would not have Simmons if Hinkie signed a vet PG before the season.

All he would have needed to do was keep Ish Smith. I'm not saying that he should have gone out and spent real money on a point guard. He just should have known that Wroten was hurt and not a point guard, Marshall was hurt and not good enough anyway, and McConnell was an undrafted free agent rookie.

[76ciology]

I really believe that the NBA pressured the 76ers to let go of Hinkie.

I thought that had already been established.

I think Silver was on the warpath last year after losing the vote on changing the lottery. i'm guessing he approached sixers owners and not the other way around.

I don't.

I think Hinkie was really just here to accumulate assets for 3 years. Need a new front against teams and agents, and no one is more perfect than Colangelo.

[Sixerscan]

The only confirmed reason why hinkie isn't here is that Colangelo didn't want to work under him, and vice versa, and the owners picked Colangelo.

[hookshot199]

They didn't tank for Noel. They traded for Noel, and if they trade Noel for somebody else, so what? True, the payoff for tanking 2015 was Okafor, but that year is gone now. They made a mistake with that pick, that ultimately cost Hinkie his job. Whats done is done. Time to move on

Who's your source that Hinkie lost his job over the Okafor pick? If this is speculation, then say so. My speculation is that he lost his job because he didn't sign a veteran point guard to begin the season and, in part because of that, he put an unpresentable product on the court. Also my speculation is that he drafted Okafor as insurance when Embiid went down - again a week before the draft. It was a safe pick. It was a smart pick. Perhaps Prozingis would have been a better pick. But we're talking of 20-year-olds. You all seem to forget that. You just don't like Okafor.

the reason Hinkie did that was because he wanted the best odds for the first pick and he was right.
2 years we got close but could not #1 pick because we won too many games.
we would not have Simmons if Hinkie signed a vet PG before the season.

I don't believe that. Of course it's just an opinion. Hinkie underestimated the value of having a veteran point guard, even a backup. He didn't re-sign Ish Smith. And he overestimated Kendall Marshall, both his injury (i.e., readiness to play) and his ability. I don't believe that he went into the season playing for the worst record. But I do believe he was eventually demoted (not fired) because things spiraled out of control. And you're right: Had we not finished with the worst record, we probably wouldn't have won the lottery.

[hookshot199]

The only confirmed reason why hinkie isn't here is that Colangelo didn't want to work under him, and vice versa, and the owners picked Colangelo.

That's my understanding.

[Ericb5]

The only confirmed reason why hinkie isn't here is that Colangelo didn't want to work under him, and vice versa, and the owners picked Colangelo.

That's my understanding.

Yes, but his job was in jeopardy in December of last year when we had won only 1 game. The only reason that the fox(Colangelo) got in the hen house was because of that horrible start.


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[76ciology]

Yeah, the smart thing for Nerlens to do is go beast mode when Simmons and Okafor are out. Once Jah and Simmons come back, he'll be overshadowed.

[spikeslovechild]

Yeah, the smart thing for Nerlens to do is go beast mode when Simmons and Okafor are out. Once Jah and Simmons come back, he'll be overshadowed.

Does Nerlens even have a beast mode? In March and April after Okafor went down he shot below .500 and had a TS of .493 for March and .515 in April. As a Center.

He should be overshadowed on offense whether Simmons or Okafor are in the lineup.

[hookshot199]

The only confirmed reason why hinkie isn't here is that Colangelo didn't want to work under him, and vice versa, and the owners picked Colangelo.

That's my understanding.

Yes, but his job was in jeopardy in December of last year when we had won only 1 game. The only reason that the fox(Colangelo) got in the hen house was because of that horrible start.

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I agree. I just refuse to follow the herd that he set out to have the worst record. I was advised many years ago to put together time lines before attempting to make judgments about intent.

Here's the timeline:

June 14. Embiid's doctors determined that his foot hadn't healed completely, thus wouldn't be available for the summer league, and reasonable people would have to be concerned if he'd ever step on the court at all.

June 25. Hinkie drafted Okafor, the second-best rated big man in the draft. Had we won the lottery, he would have surely drafted Anthony-Towns.

Late June/early July. He didn't come to terms with Ish Smith, leaving a void at point guard.

July 18. He re-signed Pierre Jackson.

Sept. 9, He signed Kendall Marshall, still rehabbing from his ACL injury. That was his biggest mistake. Marshall wouldn't play until the second week of December.

Late October/early November. Covington went down. Didn't return until Nov. 14. We lost our best shooter. Hinkie couldn't have planned for that.

So I just to buy the argument that he went into the season with the intention of having the worst record. I think he got too wrapped up in trying to accumulate assets (the Jason Thompson trade was stupid) while underestimating the importance of a veteran to run the offense. He clearly misfired with Canaan and Wroten, thinking there was any way possible either could run the offense, Wroten's injury notwithstanding.

Then things spiraled out of control including Okafor's run-ins with the law.

[Ericb5]

That's my understanding.

Yes, but his job was in jeopardy in December of last year when we had won only 1 game. The only reason that the fox(Colangelo) got in the hen house was because of that horrible start.

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I agree. I just refuse to follow the herd that he set out to have the worst record. I was advised many years ago to put together time lines before attempting to make judgments about intent.

Here's the timeline:

June 14. Embiid's doctors determined that his foot hadn't healed completely, thus wouldn't be available for the summer league, and reasonable people would have to be concerned if he'd ever step on the court at all.

June 25. Hinkie drafted Okafor, the second-best rated big man in the draft. Had we won the lottery, he would have surely drafted Anthony-Towns.

Late June/early July. He didn't come to terms with Ish Smith, leaving a void at point guard.

July 18. He re-signed Pierre Jackson.

Sept. 9, He signed Kendall Marshall, still rehabbing from his ACL injury. That was his biggest mistake. Marshall wouldn't play until the second week of December.

Late October/early November. Covington went down. Didn't return until Nov. 14. We lost our best shooter. Hinkie couldn't have planned for that.

So I just to buy the argument that he went into the season with the intention of having the worst record. I think he got too wrapped up in trying to accumulate assets (the Jason Thompson trade was stupid) while underestimating the importance of a veteran to run the offense. He clearly misfired with Canaan and Wroten, thinking there was any way possible either could run the offense, Wroten's injury notwithstanding.

Then things spiraled out of control including Okafor's run-ins with the law.

I agree that he didn't intend to be that bad, and it was a misjudgment of the ability of our point guards.

Btw, you reminded me when you mentioned Canaan. A lot of people didn't like the KJ McDaniels trade when it seemed like Canaan was the main target. Now that Holmes has started coming on though, who would trade Holmes for McDaniels? Another Hinkie won trade...


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[ankle420breaker]

Holmes > KJ

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[hookshot199]

Yes, but his job was in jeopardy in December of last year when we had won only 1 game. The only reason that the fox(Colangelo) got in the hen house was because of that horrible start.

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I agree. I just refuse to follow the herd that he set out to have the worst record. I was advised many years ago to put together time lines before attempting to make judgments about intent.

Here's the timeline:

June 14. Embiid's doctors determined that his foot hadn't healed completely, thus wouldn't be available for the summer league, and reasonable people would have to be concerned if he'd ever step on the court at all.

June 25. Hinkie drafted Okafor, the second-best rated big man in the draft. Had we won the lottery, he would have surely drafted Anthony-Towns.

Late June/early July. He didn't come to terms with Ish Smith, leaving a void at point guard.

July 18. He re-signed Pierre Jackson.

Sept. 9, He signed Kendall Marshall, still rehabbing from his ACL injury. That was his biggest mistake. Marshall wouldn't play until the second week of December.

Late October/early November. Covington went down. Didn't return until Nov. 14. We lost our best shooter. Hinkie couldn't have planned for that.

So I just to buy the argument that he went into the season with the intention of having the worst record. I think he got too wrapped up in trying to accumulate assets (the Jason Thompson trade was stupid) while underestimating the importance of a veteran to run the offense. He clearly misfired with Canaan and Wroten, thinking there was any way possible either could run the offense, Wroten's injury notwithstanding.

Then things spiraled out of control including Okafor's run-ins with the law.

I agree that he didn't intend to be that bad, and it was a misjudgment of the ability of our point guards.

Btw, you reminded me when you mentioned Canaan. A lot of people didn't like the KJ McDaniels trade when it seemed like Canaan was the main target. Now that Holmes has started coming on though, who would trade Holmes for McDaniels? Another Hinkie won trade...

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The KJ deal is one of the unfairest attacks against Hinkie. KJ's agent refused a 'Hinkie special'. I believe Glen Robinson Jr. was the only other second-round pick to refuse to sign. Everyone else signed including Jerami Grant. So KJ went from 25 mpg to around 6 mpg last season. He got $6 mil guaranteed on a three-year/$10 mil contract, but probably screwed himself out of a $30-$40 mil for his second contract. Unless he gets 20-25 mpg this year, his value has fallen.

[Sixerscan]

I agree. I just refuse to follow the herd that he set out to have the worst record. I was advised many years ago to put together time lines before attempting to make judgments about intent.

Here's the timeline:

June 14. Embiid's doctors determined that his foot hadn't healed completely, thus wouldn't be available for the summer league, and reasonable people would have to be concerned if he'd ever step on the court at all.

June 25. Hinkie drafted Okafor, the second-best rated big man in the draft. Had we won the lottery, he would have surely drafted Anthony-Towns.

Late June/early July. He didn't come to terms with Ish Smith, leaving a void at point guard.

July 18. He re-signed Pierre Jackson.

Sept. 9, He signed Kendall Marshall, still rehabbing from his ACL injury. That was his biggest mistake. Marshall wouldn't play until the second week of December.

Late October/early November. Covington went down. Didn't return until Nov. 14. We lost our best shooter. Hinkie couldn't have planned for that.

So I just to buy the argument that he went into the season with the intention of having the worst record. I think he got too wrapped up in trying to accumulate assets (the Jason Thompson trade was stupid) while underestimating the importance of a veteran to run the offense. He clearly misfired with Canaan and Wroten, thinking there was any way possible either could run the offense, Wroten's injury notwithstanding.

Then things spiraled out of control including Okafor's run-ins with the law.

I agree that he didn't intend to be that bad, and it was a misjudgment of the ability of our point guards.

Btw, you reminded me when you mentioned Canaan. A lot of people didn't like the KJ McDaniels trade when it seemed like Canaan was the main target. Now that Holmes has started coming on though, who would trade Holmes for McDaniels? Another Hinkie won trade...

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The KJ deal is one of the unfairest attacks against Hinkie. KJ's agent refused a 'Hinkie special'. I believe Glen Robinson Jr. was the only other second-round pick to refuse to sign. Everyone else signed including Jerami Grant. So KJ went from 25 mpg to around 6 mpg last season. He got $6 mil guaranteed on a three-year/$10 mil contract, but probably screwed himself out of a $30-$40 mil for his second contract. Unless he gets 20-25 mpg this year, his value has fallen.

Tbc the "hinkie special" is a 4 year with little to no guaranteed money like Hollis and TJ got.

KJ was offered more guaranteed money than any 2nd round pick in history. Now granted I assume part of this was that Sam stil wanted him to sign for 4 years, but kj got a lot more than the "hinkie special" offered to him.