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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#781 » by M2J » Sun Nov 26, 2023 3:25 am

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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.


They were like a top 5 or 6 defense last year without a Joel behind him. It'll be okay



They're a top 15 defense right now, with Embiid because Maxey has been so bad.


He's also playing like 40 minutes, more offensive help can only help his overall load. They were top 8 last year with friggin unathletic Harden and Maxey, who individually has shown some improvement.

Again, if that team couldn't get it done it's a coaching issue. Oubre and Melton will still be on the roster, Possibly Tobias and Batum and RoCo too. Time to lock in. If Doc can do it, so can Nurse right? He's the greatest
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#782 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:03 am

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They were like a top 5 or 6 defense last year without a Joel behind him. It'll be okay



They're a top 15 defense right now, with Embiid because Maxey has been so bad.


He's also playing like 40 minutes, more offensive help can only help his overall load. They were top 8 last year with friggin unathletic Harden and Maxey, who individually has shown some improvement.

Again, if that team couldn't get it done it's a coaching issue. Oubre and Melton will still be on the roster, Possibly Tobias and Batum and RoCo too. Time to lock in. If Doc can do it, so can Nurse right? He's the greatest



Ummm... no

I also don't want someone taking touches away from Maxey. Maxey is on a top 10 player in the league trajectory. LaVine is a bad team inflated stats guy.

He played on team USA and they hated him... Nuff said.
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Post#783 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:36 am

We just need a combo guard that can run with the 2nd unit. They're out there, but they'll cost. That's on Morey to figure out.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#784 » by M2J » Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:40 am

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They're a top 15 defense right now, with Embiid because Maxey has been so bad.


He's also playing like 40 minutes, more offensive help can only help his overall load. They were top 8 last year with friggin unathletic Harden and Maxey, who individually has shown some improvement.

Again, if that team couldn't get it done it's a coaching issue. Oubre and Melton will still be on the roster, Possibly Tobias and Batum and RoCo too. Time to lock in. If Doc can do it, so can Nurse right? He's the greatest



Ummm... no

I also don't want someone taking touches away from Maxey. Maxey is on a top 10 player in the league trajectory. LaVine is a bad team inflated stats guy.

He played on team USA and they hated him... Nuff said.


Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#785 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:45 am

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He's also playing like 40 minutes, more offensive help can only help his overall load. They were top 8 last year with friggin unathletic Harden and Maxey, who individually has shown some improvement.

Again, if that team couldn't get it done it's a coaching issue. Oubre and Melton will still be on the roster, Possibly Tobias and Batum and RoCo too. Time to lock in. If Doc can do it, so can Nurse right? He's the greatest



Ummm... no

I also don't want someone taking touches away from Maxey. Maxey is on a top 10 player in the league trajectory. LaVine is a bad team inflated stats guy.

He played on team USA and they hated him... Nuff said.


Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
Devin Booker didn't sacrifice. He just didn't have it. This year he's doing as well as KD. I'm fine with him sacrificing for a player clearly better than him. Maxey developing lines up with winning a title. You could argue that Harden stunted Maxey last year even though he learned alot from him.

This isn't Sga or Booker or Luka. It's LaVine lol. Maxey shouldn't sacrifice **** for him lol. We need a wing not a guard.

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Post#786 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:11 am

The Zach Lavine angle that I like is.. i dont think he’d cost more than a 1 round pick, 1-2 2nd rounders and fillers.
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Post#787 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:38 am

76ciology wrote:The Zach Lavine angle that I like is.. i dont think he’d cost more than a 1 round pick, 1-2 2nd rounders and fillers.
Still using all our cap space on him.

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Post#788 » by M2J » Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:51 am

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Ummm... no

I also don't want someone taking touches away from Maxey. Maxey is on a top 10 player in the league trajectory. LaVine is a bad team inflated stats guy.

He played on team USA and they hated him... Nuff said.


Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
Devin Booker didn't sacrifice. He just didn't have it. This year he's doing as well as KD. I'm fine with him sacrificing for a player clearly better than him. Maxey developing lines up with winning a title. You could argue that Harden stunted Maxey last year even though he learned alot from him.

This isn't Sga or Booker or Luka. It's LaVine lol. Maxey shouldn't sacrifice **** for him lol. We need a wing not a guard.

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He will sacrifice when Beal plays, and Beal is on Lavines level ..Except Lavine is healthier. In fact Bradley was on Zach's level maybe 2 years ago, not anymore.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#789 » by kriss73 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:14 am

Knowing that the Knicks and Quickley aren't able to reach an agreement with his extension, maybe we can rebuild the Wildcats backcourt 4 years later? I don't dislike this idea.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#790 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:28 am

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Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
Devin Booker didn't sacrifice. He just didn't have it. This year he's doing as well as KD. I'm fine with him sacrificing for a player clearly better than him. Maxey developing lines up with winning a title. You could argue that Harden stunted Maxey last year even though he learned alot from him.

This isn't Sga or Booker or Luka. It's LaVine lol. Maxey shouldn't sacrifice **** for him lol. We need a wing not a guard.

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He will sacrifice when Beal plays, and Beal is on Lavines level ..Except Lavine is healthier. In fact Bradley was on Zach's level maybe 2 years ago, not anymore.
LaVine had an acl injury and had a knee scope a year ago. He's not healthier those knees are a ticking time bomb. And with our luck his knees will implode on the plane flight over here.

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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#791 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:28 am

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Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
Devin Booker didn't sacrifice. He just didn't have it. This year he's doing as well as KD. I'm fine with him sacrificing for a player clearly better than him. Maxey developing lines up with winning a title. You could argue that Harden stunted Maxey last year even though he learned alot from him.

This isn't Sga or Booker or Luka. It's LaVine lol. Maxey shouldn't sacrifice **** for him lol. We need a wing not a guard.

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He will sacrifice when Beal plays, and Beal is on Lavines level ..Except Lavine is healthier. In fact Bradley was on Zach's level maybe 2 years ago, not anymore.
Also Beal might be done this year.

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Post#792 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:17 pm

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76ciology wrote:The Zach Lavine angle that I like is.. i dont think he’d cost more than a 1 round pick, 1-2 2nd rounders and fillers.
Still using all our cap space on him.

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We’re gonna end up using it anyway in re-signing our guys. Use it or loose it.

After trading for Lavine, we still have expiring contracts and picks to go for OG.

Where this season we possibly can have..

Maxey
Lavine
OG
Tobias
Oubre
Embiid

I dont think you can have a team more talented than that by saving the cap space. One of our best windows to win the championship
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#793 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:18 pm

76ciology wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:The Zach Lavine angle that I like is.. i dont think he’d cost more than a 1 round pick, 1-2 2nd rounders and fillers.
Still using all our cap space on him.

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We’re gonna end up using it anyway in re-signing our guys. Use it or loose it.

After trading for Lavine, we still have expiring contracts and picks to go for OG.

Where this season we possibly can have..

Maxey
Lavine
OG
Tobias
Oubre
Embiid

I dont think you can have a team more talented than that by saving the cap space. One of our best windows to win the championship
I dont see how we can get both.

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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#794 » by mjkvol » Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:50 pm

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Fact of the matter is a lot of the time, these "super teams"and Big 3s that everyone is convinced isn't needed anymore... Doesn't work due to depth issues. That wouldn't be the case with this trade of Lavine, Caruso, Drummond. You add guard depth, keep wing depth with Oubre/Batum/Roco and Lavine can play SF and adds athleticism, plus you're adding the best backup center Philly has had behind Joel.

A Caruso type piece makes this team a legit contender (fringe). This type of trade makes them the favorites for a couple of years. Lessen the need for Joel to take chances in the first or second round (even though last 2 times he didn't need to either) and increases his chance finishing healthy. With a healthy team Nurse would have 0 excuses not to win a ring this year.

Fun team? Or win a ring?


I don't believe that's the choice you are offering. Adding an oft-injured lifelong stat compiler for bad teams allegedly as a guy to take big shots for a championship contender? Lavine eats up cap space and IMO insures that we will be a second round casualty for as long as Embiid chooses to remain here.


He's been healthy the last few years, and same logic I said for Embiid applies to him too. He's going to have less to do and hopefully stays healthier and becomes 1 of 3 guys to take big shots if the coaching is right, and the 3rd of those 3.

Only takes 1 ring to make it worth it, and that roster should be able to do it comfortably this year.


Bringing in Lavine turns this roster into one that can 'comfortably' win a title? That gives the word hyperbole a whole new meaning.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#795 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:50 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:Still using all our cap space on him.

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We’re gonna end up using it anyway in re-signing our guys. Use it or loose it.

After trading for Lavine, we still have expiring contracts and picks to go for OG.

Where this season we possibly can have..

Maxey
Lavine
OG
Tobias
Oubre
Embiid

I dont think you can have a team more talented than that by saving the cap space. One of our best windows to win the championship
I dont see how we can get both.

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There’s not much market for Lavine.
OG is very likely gonna be a UFA (if my understanding is right).

If I would have to max our chances, I’ll get 2 of Lavine, OG and Jerami.

Then try to get the group together by next season.

Let’s say Tobi and Oubre walks. Then just sign another mid guy like Oubre next season. I think there’s an abundance of second tier borderline stars in the league right now with almost 60 20ppg scorers in the league last season and likely by end of this season.

So with this program you keep betting Embiid-Maxey-Lavine-Jerami Grant?-annual second tier borderline star

Try to win it by depth and team play instead of being a top heavy team. I think depth (good top 2-4 guys), team play and having Embiid gives you a good chance with this program.
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Post#796 » by mjkvol » Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:54 pm

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Again you want fun and growth or you want to win.

Touches need to be taken from Joel hardcore too. SEASONS have been sacrificed to get Joel MVP, now it's time to sacrifice title runs to see just how much Maxey can level up to? I trust Maxey is a 25-28ppg 8 assist player that is efficient in every way, and he'll be paid accordingly. Don't need to waste a season. Play harder on defense rack up assists, lead the offense and be even more efficient. Help the team win. If Devin Booker can sacrifice, so can Maxey
Devin Booker didn't sacrifice. He just didn't have it. This year he's doing as well as KD. I'm fine with him sacrificing for a player clearly better than him. Maxey developing lines up with winning a title. You could argue that Harden stunted Maxey last year even though he learned alot from him.

This isn't Sga or Booker or Luka. It's LaVine lol. Maxey shouldn't sacrifice **** for him lol. We need a wing not a guard.

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He will sacrifice when Beal plays, and Beal is on Lavines level ..Except Lavine is healthier. In fact Bradley was on Zach's level maybe 2 years ago, not anymore.


You finally made an apt comparison with Beal. He and Lavine are one and the same - stat compiling chuckers on terrible teams who will never win and who I wouldn't want anywhere near this roster.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#797 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:54 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:
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We’re gonna end up using it anyway in re-signing our guys. Use it or loose it.

After trading for Lavine, we still have expiring contracts and picks to go for OG.

Where this season we possibly can have..

Maxey
Lavine
OG
Tobias
Oubre
Embiid

I dont think you can have a team more talented than that by saving the cap space. One of our best windows to win the championship
I dont see how we can get both.

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There’s not much market for Lavine.
OG is very likely gonna be a UFA (if my understanding is right).

If I would have to max our chances, I’ll get 2 of Lavine, OG and Jerami.

Then try to get the group together by next season.

Try to win it by depth and team play instead of being a top heavy team. I think depth (good top 2-4 guys), team play and having Embiid gives you a good chance with this program.



If that's the case OG and Jerami.

Ideal would be Caruso and Lauri Markannen.

Hell if we could I'd love to get Mikal Bridges.
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Post#798 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:05 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:I dont see how we can get both.

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There’s not much market for Lavine.
OG is very likely gonna be a UFA (if my understanding is right).

If I would have to max our chances, I’ll get 2 of Lavine, OG and Jerami.

Then try to get the group together by next season.

Try to win it by depth and team play instead of being a top heavy team. I think depth (good top 2-4 guys), team play and having Embiid gives you a good chance with this program.



If that's the case OG and Jerami.

Ideal would be Caruso and Lauri Markannen.

Hell if we could I'd love to get Mikal Bridges.


For sure. I dont mind any of the guys you mention.

I dont think its in our cards to land another Harden or Jimmy Butler. We just got lucky with both. Harden because of Morey’s romantic relationship and Jimmy because our owner and Wolves’ owner were friends.

If we can have Embiid, Maxey, OG and Jerami, we then just need to get a mid guy with a one year minimum like how we got Oubre. Then just keep rolling it every year. The league got almost 60 20ppg last season and its likely gonna repeat and may even surpass it with how many 140-150 pt games there are right now.

These mids also aren’t ball stoppers unlike what we’re seeing with the Clips. They work to get their buckets (screens, cuts, dives and etc) and know that they’ll be exposed if they become ball dominant (see mikal bridges) they also work on defense to help their overall impact since their offensive impact isnt like a star.

Just my two cents.
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Post#799 » by mjkvol » Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:06 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:I dont see how we can get both.

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There’s not much market for Lavine.
OG is very likely gonna be a UFA (if my understanding is right).

If I would have to max our chances, I’ll get 2 of Lavine, OG and Jerami.

Then try to get the group together by next season.

Try to win it by depth and team play instead of being a top heavy team. I think depth (good top 2-4 guys), team play and having Embiid gives you a good chance with this program.



If that's the case OG and Jerami.

Ideal would be Caruso and Lauri Markannen.

Hell if we could I'd love to get Mikal Bridges.


Me too. Mikal and OG are the most perfect fits out there, and guys you'd love to have here for their careers.
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Post#800 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:11 pm

If Maxey is playing with Lou Williams, the defense cant put that much pressure on him. Where if they do, Lou Will can be the guy doing damage. We just need to surround Biid and Maxey with threats on offense (guys who can score 20 with light pressure) who dont have baggage on defense and hopefully even plus defensive players. Then I think we’d have the right team.

Look at what the Celts or Nuggets are building, i think thats where the league is headed towards
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