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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#781 » by ryst » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:39 am

Westbrook36 wrote:
ryst wrote:yes , a team like the Bulls would have loved to dump Hinrich huge contract on us at the deadline...just like they are trying to do now with anyone who has a pulse...


All speculation just like everything else you have been saying. It is all based on other team's deals and not the Sixers. You base Brand's value on Jefferson, you base Dalembert's value on Randolph, and you base Miller's value off Chicago offering Hinrich to other teams.


i just think that if the sixers want to trade so many players , if they do hard enough job they will be able to trade at least one player from that list.
yet none of them were traded , it doesnt seem reasonable to me that all this players are untradeable

ofcourse its speculation, and "saving" money for next year or the year after is not speculation?
what if no one wants to sign with the sixers?
and hoping that Thad will get better,brand get back to form and Holiday is the next coming of Billups is not speculation?

everything is speculation
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#782 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:40 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Tom:

Is the Sixers lack of activity this offseason due to planning for the future or is it strictly because the cap number and luxury tax territory may drop?

If it is the former then I'm fine, but if it is the latter then the organization truly should just sell the team.


I think it's some of both. They know that $69.7 million is already committed to 10 players in 2010-11 and they'd rather have the MLE in 2010, when there are more players worthy of it than this year. Plus, with Dalembert, Kapono and Green coming off the cap in 2011, they'd be able to offer a multi-year deal and not have to worry about paying the luxury tax.
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Post#783 » by radrmd216 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:40 am

I could have seen Golden State or the Cavs trading for Miller but the other teams probably woulnd't give up much, donl;t need what Miller brings, or don't want an expiring that much.
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Post#784 » by ryst » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:43 am

radrmd216 wrote:I could have seen Glden State or the Cavs trading for Miller but the other teams probably woulnd't give up much, donl;t need what Miller brings, or don't want an expiring that much.


if you know you wont sign Miller in the summer , and you better know as a GM what are your plans 4 months down the road(and it wasnt hard to see resigning miller will be hard after he refused to resign the summer before) then getting something decent is much better then nothing.

i am sure 100% they could have got something decent at the deadline
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#785 » by northsidebigguy » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:48 am

I told every one before that Stefanski sucks. He is overmatched as a gm. How can you reverse the direction of the team in one season. Last year he was signing Brand and selling us all on the fact that we were going to compete for the east. When he realized the he screwed up by putting a suv(brand) in the mix with young corvettes he fired our coach. If this was Billy King who screwed up this cap space by bringing in Brand and overpaying for Iggoudalla, while trading the only players who could hit a 3 pointer (Korver and Carney) Billy Kings house would have been burned down. But every one wants to accept this garbage Stefanski is selling and for what. What makes him credible. What has he ever done but held Rod Thorns bags in New Jersey. He has no plan.. He is over matched. The media gives him a pass. I dont know why. His job performance rating is piss poor. He should have traded Miller when contenders wanted to get him. Now he is too old. Someone should call him on his assesment. He may be too old for others but he has value to the Sixers. Dont let this Stefanski get away with this. He is not doing a good job...
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#786 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:59 am

ryst wrote:if you know you wont sign Miller in the summer, and you better know as a GM what are your plans 4 months down the road (and it wasnt hard to see resigning miller will be hard after he refused to resign the summer before) then getting something decent is much better then nothing.

i am sure 100% they could have got something decent at the deadline


Was told the Sixers were disappointed in what they could get for him by the Feb. 19 deadline.

Also hear Sixers aren't thrilled with the idea of getting Duhon in return for Miller from the Knicks.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#787 » by sixerswillrule » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:13 am

tmoore wrote:Also hear Sixers aren't thrilled with the idea of getting Duhon in return for Miller from the Knicks.


It's 10 times better than getting nothing(a min free agent) instead. How can they not see that?
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Post#788 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:18 am

My sense is they want to find out what they have in Williams and Holiday, rather than rent Duhon for a year.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#789 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:19 am

Either way, they're not a championship contender.
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Post#790 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:05 am

Agreed. Not even close.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#791 » by BobbyJones » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:05 am

I don't understand all this Stefanski bashing over Miller when the market has clearly set Miller's value. It's just a shame that Andre doesn't wake up and smell the coffee. No-one has offered Miller a contract, at least not anywhere close to the 10/3 he feels he is worth. His agent has now had a month to talk to the league and find that deal, and he has come up with nothing. So, as much as people want to blame Eddie, it is Dre Miller who is the creator of this situation.

If Miller were smart he would take the one year @ 6 offer he got from the Sixers, play his ass off, and look for more money next season, when everyone has money to burn. Instead, if he doesn't reduce his demands some time soon, he'll be on the Spree free agency bandwagon, with no contract whatsoever.

Does Andre Miller have a family to feed? ;)
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Post#792 » by radrmd216 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:59 am

Bobbyjones, I think every team has fans who bash the GM no matter who he is. portland hasn't even signed anybody yet and they are a supossed to be a ontending team. Phoenix and New Orleans have great players and are tying to cut salary. I don't really get why some fans hate Ed Stefanski so adamantly when the team isn't even a contending team. The brand signing didn't work out and the Sixers were very lucky in drafting Jrue Holiday, so I could see why there don't want to sign a free agent when they have a bunch of young players that should get minutes. People think all these players will be on the team when its a contending team, but the roster is still forming and there will probably be some trades.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#793 » by panacea » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:40 am

tmoore wrote:
Also hear Sixers aren't thrilled with the idea of getting Duhon in return for Miller from the Knicks.


tmoore wrote:My sense is they want to find out what they have in Williams and Holiday, rather than rent Duhon for a year.


so let me get this straight: if the sixers got a "better" (read: potentially more expensive) player in return for andre miller, a s&t would be completed and all would be well? yet their rationale for not wanting duhon for a year is that they want to "see what LW/Holiday can do". if that's the case, why bother with a s&t in the first place? let him walk and move on. it's obvious they want something in return, so why trot out the "we want to see what the young guys can do" BS?

im baffled as to how such ridiculous logic is running through the minds of upper-management. but hey, i gotta believe there is a method to this madness. :-?
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#794 » by underpressure » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:52 am

Apparently we offered CJ Watson a deal, but he turned it down and will likely join the Magic:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... sheet.html
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#795 » by BobbyJones » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:29 am

it's obvious they want something in return, so why trot out the "we want to see what the young guys can do" BS?

im baffled as to how such ridiculous logic is running through the minds of upper-management. but hey, i gotta believe there is a method to this madness. :-?

I don't see how they can do anything else apart from spin this towards an opportunity for the younger guys. They have clearly stated an intention to be fiscally cautious in a market that appears to have very little value for money among the available talent. If they could trade Miller for something of value, I'm sure they would have done it, but only because they felt it would help them to improve this season. If there is nothing decent available, let him walk, and keep your powder dry for next season, when the MLE might actually bring back a decent piece. In the meantime, get your young guys some PT and let them develop.

If a top "MLE" calibre player were sitting waiting for an offer and the Sixers did nothing, I could understand the frustration. If an upgrade were available by signing Miller to his 10/3 contract and we did nothing, then again, I would understand the frustration. But as best we can tell, neither of these possibilities are the case, so I have no problem with how Ed has conducted himself this off season.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#796 » by Ming » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:34 am

underpressure wrote:Apparently we offered CJ Watson a deal, but he turned it down and will likely join the Magic:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... sheet.html


Looks like they are willing to use the MLE on a young player. It still sucks that they can't go over 1 year though....getting Watson would have been nice
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#797 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:54 am

It's freaking cheap!

Just trade Elton Brand, this is the path Stefanski wants to go: Go there damn it.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#798 » by freshie2 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:52 am

CJ Watson?? Why spend the money??

I'd be OK with trading Brand if you can get back one young player with some upside...you have to wonder if Monta Ellis is obtainable in Golden State given they have Morrow and Curry both for a fraction of the cost. That being said, I'm ok with keeping him as well. Brand/Dalembert should be a very productive rebounding duo.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#799 » by radrmd216 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:02 am

Us sixers fans with just have to wait for things to happen. brand doesn;t have much trade value right now and he still has 4 years left on his contract. Brand might get traded next offseason when some teams have cap space and miss out on a top free agent. He could also be traded at the 2011 deadline when he only has two and a half years left on his contract and a team in win now mode might want to acquire a good vet for the playoffs. Right now all the Sixers can do is play the young guys and hope brand stays healthy.
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Re: Tom Moore 2.0 

Post#800 » by tmoore » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:55 pm

panacea wrote:so let me get this straight: if the sixers got a "better" (read: potentially more expensive) player in return for andre miller, a s&t would be completed and all would be well? yet their rationale for not wanting duhon for a year is that they want to "see what LW/Holiday can do". if that's the case, why bother with a s&t in the first place? let him walk and move on. it's obvious they want something in return, so why trot out the "we want to see what the young guys can do" BS?

i'm baffled as to how such ridiculous logic is running through the minds of upper-management. but hey, i gotta believe there is a method to this madness. :-?


I think they just want to see if something pops up that would appeal to them, even though it's unlikely.

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