***Sixerfan1976 Official Thread - Update Page 28***

[Sixersftw]

Who else is feeling sick about our future after all this recent talk? Drafting Vucevic, getting Aminu is so underwhelming.

hoping it's just talk.

[51X3RF4N]

I'm feeling sick to think wouldn't trade Iggy after all this posturing. I like the guy as a player, but he doesn't want to be here, he isn't worth his contract, and we've talked about trading him all along.

To not do so now would be a big disappointment to me. Especially when you COULD get an expiring, a young asset (albeit a likely bust), and potentially the #37 pick without giving up more than Speights in addition.

IDK, I just want a change and a rebuild, but I doubt I'll get it.

[agiaco]

I'm feeling sick to think wouldn't trade Iggy after all this posturing. I like the guy as a player, but he doesn't want to be here, he isn't worth his contract, and we've talked about trading him all along.

To not do so now would be a big disappointment to me. Especially when you COULD get an expiring, a young asset (albeit a likely bust), and potentially the #37 pick without giving up more than Speights in addition.

IDK, I just want a change and a rebuild, but I doubt I'll get it.

I'm just confused as to why people want to make a change for the sake of change even if they admit all that we would get in return is an expiring contract, a likely bust and a worthless pick #37. At least the Ellis deal brings you some talent imo.

[P2K]

It's a simple reality that Philadelphia is not a place where NBA players think about playing.

I am old enough to remember the Dr. J years fondly...and all of the empty seats at playoff games during many of those years.

Philly is viewed by most as a football/hockey town and the Phillies were an intermittent draw before they got the new stadium. It does not have the glitz associated with the New York/Chicago/LA/Miami markets, it doesn't have the tax advantages that places in Florida and Texas do. Most players today don't know much of the city's older basketball tradition and we have notoriously hostile/passionate fans and not the friendliest media around. It is not a nice, sunny sunbelt or west coast city.

Boston has the aura of being the Celtics that will likely last forever. The Sixers' aura is long tarnished. NBA players simply don't view this city as a FA haven, you are absolutely fooling yourself if you think that. Brand came here in a year when few teams had cap space, he needed to cash in and his choices were stay in Clipperland, Philly and GS. Going forward lots more teams are being careful about cap space and have better weather, taxes, bigger media and endoresement possibilities, a winning atmosphere, etc.

The Phillies started their current run by overpaying Thome to come here, in the max salary environment of the NBA the Sixers can't do that unless they want to overpay lesser talent. With the salaries the same wherever you go, the other factors become huge. To a hockey player, Philly is manna from heaven, to an NBA player it is the pits. It's not crap, it is the truth.

The Knicks don't have much of a winning tradition of late, but they have MSG, huge endorsement possibilities and the NY mojo. Miami and Orlando have great weather, no state income tax and in Miami, great night life. Chicago even had a hard time getting FA's interested in going there after the Jordan era, now that they have Rose they can draw guys like Boozer, etc. Look where the big name FA's went or forced trades to, NY and Miami. LA will be rebuilding in a couple of years and so will Boston. Those are NBA FA destinations, Philly most decidedly is not unless we are the only ones with money that year.

Put a 50+ win team on the floor for four or five years and the team becomes gradually more attractive. Add a superstar by trade or draft and others will wnat to join them. Don't do that and at best you get second tier guys like Brand, not the LeBron, Wade, etc class.

If you're a winner and/or you have the money, the players will come. Plain and simple. And back when Doc was king, Philadelphia was a wreck economically. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Because I think you are way off on this subject.

[steveb21]

I am old enough to remember the Dr. J years fondly...and all of the empty seats at playoff games during many of those years.

I remember the Dr. J years as well and the playoff games I went to didn't have many empty seats (if any at all). In fact I remember how loud the Spectrum was in one particular game against Boston...it was almost deafening. I can't imagine any athlete that wouldn't want to play in an atmosphere like that.

[51X3RF4N]

I'm feeling sick to think wouldn't trade Iggy after all this posturing. I like the guy as a player, but he doesn't want to be here, he isn't worth his contract, and we've talked about trading him all along.

To not do so now would be a big disappointment to me. Especially when you COULD get an expiring, a young asset (albeit a likely bust), and potentially the #37 pick without giving up more than Speights in addition.

IDK, I just want a change and a rebuild, but I doubt I'll get it.

I'm just confused as to why people want to make a change for the sake of change even if they admit all that we would get in return is an expiring contract, a likely bust and a worthless pick #37. At least the Ellis deal brings you some talent imo.

I agree the Ellis deal is better, for entertainment value and on the court talent. And I hope it goes through as opposed to the LAC deal. But, when I say I want change for the sake of change, it's because I know there's not much the Sixers can do to be in contention for a championship any time soon. And therefore, if they are going to be stuck not winning, they might as well make some radical moves and make things more entertaining. I'll watch more games if there is something fun to watch, or at least some different players. If I'm bored the whole time watching them be mediocre, I'm not going to watch.

[d0nk]

I'm just confused as to why people want to make a change for the sake of change

Ask yourself this question: will the 76ers win a championship with Iggy? If the answer is no, then trading him now is the only option. This has lingered for years now. At some point you need to cut rope - even if that means taking a step or two back today.

[jrue76er]

I don't understand all the hate for the Kaman/Aminu deal. It gives you more flexibility going forward due to Kaman's expiring contract and Aminu has a lot of potential arguably more than many of the prospects in this year's draft. He is also only 20 making him younger than ET. If everyone believes that ET should be able to improve his shooting then why wouldn't the same be true for Aminu. He also has all the physical tools to be a good defender at the 3.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I can't take worrying about Iguodala being stuck here during all the labor talks and issues. Please someone make a good offer so we can move him. Hopefully the GSW drop the Biedrins angle.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I realize Biedrins has a horrible contract but why not take a chance on him? He looked like he was gonna be solid a couple of years ago. Not sure what happened. Dude can't shoot free throws and he has the dumbest damn hairstyle in the NBA but he is a big body than can rebound with force and isn't a bad post defender. On top of that he's still fairly young and a change of scenery might do him good. At the same time we get our scorer in Ellis along with a center...WTF??? Thats getting two needs for Iguodala in one shot plus our 16th pick will be there as well.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You don't take chances on guys with bad contracts in the NBA. That's why the NBA is such a joke. One mistake and it's so hard to get out from under it. If we take Biedrins and he sucks(which he will) then no one else will take him off our hands. We'll be stuck with him for years.

[Skates]

I realize Biedrins has a horrible contract but why not take a chance on him? He looked like he was gonna be solid a couple of years ago. Not sure what happened. Dude can't shoot free throws and he has the dumbest damn hairstyle in the NBA but he is a big body than can rebound with force and isn't a bad post defender. On top of that he's still fairly young and a change of scenery might do him good. At the same time we get our scorer in Ellis along with a center...WTF??? Thats getting two needs for Iguodala in one shot plus our 16th pick will be there as well.

Biedrins was a decent help defender, but always lacked the bulk to be a straight up post defender. The GS fans are desparate for a post-defender, that should tell you all you need to know about where his game is right now. I think the injuries have sapped his mobility and that isn't good for a guy who was an energy type player. Too bad, he was a nice player at one time.

[Redlight]

Andris Biedrins is a HACKSAW.

[ZarcMumoff]

Andris Biedrins is a HACKSAW.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[freshie2]

Assuming all rumors have some merit...would you prefer (as the main piece of a trade):
Ellis

Kaman

D. Williams

Odom

[LongLiveHinkie]

Williams way above the rest.

Ellis 2nd, Kaman 3rd

Odom not in the convo.

[PhilasFinest]

Williams way above the rest.

Ellis 2nd, Kaman 3rd

Odom not in the convo.

+1

[sixerswillrule]

Assuming all rumors have some merit...would you prefer (as the main piece of a trade):
Ellis

Kaman

D. Williams

Odom

Can't be a serious question.

[ZarcMumoff]

Assuming all rumors have some merit...would you prefer (as the main piece of a trade):
Ellis

Kaman

D. Williams

Odom

Ellis for me.

[Foshan]

bwhahaha