Optimism for Embiid's Health

[snoopdogg88]

Ok, thats cool. As long as you can see the possibility that there were discussions.

How would going after Wiggins fit with what the Sixers are doing? Wiggins fate was sealed with the Sixers when Embiid broke his foot, another year with a good draft pick with Embiid rehabbing for most of the year.

If you think Hinkie has no worries what so ever about Embiids back and foot, then you're crazy. I seriously doubt he wasnt trying like hell to avoid that risk. But when the smoke cleared, he couldnt work anything out to move up, and in his his eyes, there was just too much potential with Embiid to take Exum over him.

i think this is the most likely scenario. not to mention the fact that Wiggins/Parker just "fit" better.

My belief is that in a perfect world they wanted to come out of this draft with Wiggins/Saric.
Didn't happen. Oh well

[bebopdeluxe]

I have no expectations regarding his health, I'd be surprised if he plays more than 30 games a season.

What do you base that on? Where did you go to medical school? Have you reviewed Embiid's medicals? Do you have experience with foot surgery outcomes?

If you are going to make a ridiculous ish statement like that, can you at least back it up with the basis for this reasoning?

[bebopdeluxe]

How would going after Wiggins fit with what the Sixers are doing? Wiggins fate was sealed with the Sixers when Embiid broke his foot, another year with a good draft pick with Embiid rehabbing for most of the year.

If you think Hinkie has no worries what so ever about Embiids back and foot, then you're crazy. I seriously doubt he wasnt trying like hell to avoid that risk. But when the smoke cleared, he couldnt work anything out to move up, and in his his eyes, there was just too much potential with Embiid to take Exum over him.

i think this is the most likely scenario. not to mention the fact that Wiggins/Parker just "fit" better.

My belief is that in a perfect world they wanted to come out of this draft with Wiggins/Saric.
Didn't happen. Oh well

And how does this square with the multiple reports that came out after the draft - from Woj, Cleveland's GM and others - that the Sixers never really made any substantive offer?

I think the most likely scenario was that they initially were preparing for Wiggins - assuming that Embiid (who they had #1 on their board) went #1...after the injury was reported, they believe there was a chance that, in fact, Embiid might drop to 3, thus presenting an opportunity. After reviewing the medicals, they got comfortable that if, in fact, Wiggins/Parker went 1/2, that they were OK with taking the CALCULATED RISK (both figuratively AND literally) of taking Embiid at 3 - and this decision included enough of a comfort level with taking Embiid that it was a NON-STARTER to offer the ranch to CLE for 1.

We will see if Hinkie's call was the right one.

[SixerFever215]

And you have no clue why he would deny it, even if they were entertaining offers?

There were a couple diffrent bigtime NBA writers who said it wasn't true. No doubt the 76ers reached out but all the reports saying the 76ers were willing to do anything to get Wiggins was False.

Woj, david griffin and hinkie. How much better credibility is dei lynam's and some other writers compared to them?

Dei lynam is a nice person shes been covering the 76ers for years. But she dosent break stories or have great inside sources she more of just a reporter. For instance she did a piece about Jerami Grant and his Dad on Sportsnet that's the type of work she does. Sam Hinkie is very secretive the Philadelphia Media hate Sam becsuse he dosent do interviews he basically goes into hiding leading up to the Draft. So no way Dei Lynam knew anything, Woj has been doin this for years at a high level its his his job to break news. 76ers never offered the 10th pick

If you go back and Compare tweets from Dei Lynam and Woj, there saying 2 totally diffrent things.At 12:21 Woj is saying Embiid is in play for 76ers Lakers Celtics. Dei Lynam and hour later saying 76ers increased offer 3-10-32. At 5:00 Woj is saying Embiid has a tremendous shot bein tsken by 76ers. Dei is saying Not sure the 76ers draft Embiid. Clearly Woj is the real deal he reported 76ers liking Embiid at 12:00 while Dei is hinting at trades Woj not once tweeted about a 76er - Cav deal matter of fact he said no deal would be made at that was 2 houts before the draft basically means there were no rumblings through out the day.

[EBrandEra]

If you think Hinkie has no worries what so ever about Embiids back and foot, then you're crazy. I seriously doubt he wasnt trying like hell to avoid that risk. But when the smoke cleared, he couldnt work anything out to move up, and in his his eyes, there was just too much potential with Embiid to take Exum over him.

i think this is the most likely scenario. not to mention the fact that Wiggins/Parker just "fit" better.

My belief is that in a perfect world they wanted to come out of this draft with Wiggins/Saric.
Didn't happen. Oh well

And how does this square with the multiple reports that came out after the draft - from Woj, Cleveland's GM and others - that the Sixers never really made any substantive offer?

I think the most likely scenario was that they initially were preparing for Wiggins - assuming that Embiid (who they had #1 on their board) went #1...after the injury was reported, they believe there was a chance that, in fact, Embiid might drop to 3, thus presenting an opportunity. After reviewing the medicals, they got comfortable that if, in fact, Wiggins/Parker went 1/2, that they were OK with taking the CALCULATED RISK (both figuratively AND literally) of taking Embiid at 3 - and this decision included enough of a comfort level with taking Embiid that it was a NON-STARTER to offer the ranch to CLE for 1.

We will see if Hinkie's call was the right one.

Yeah, this sounds reasonable. Pretty sure Hinkie assumed that Embiid was going to be drafted No. 1, if his medicals looked good to Cleveland.

Also, as it got closer to the draft, most assumed MIL was taking Parker. So, that left the Sixers with Wiggins, who it does seem like Hinkie had as No. 1.

I think it came down to the simple fact that giving up a ton of other assets to get the No. 1 guy on his draft board was not worth it and he was content to stay at No. 3 to probably take the No. 2 guy on his board (even factoring the injury risk).

A lot of analysts were saying Embiid wouldn't fall out of the Top 5 and, if healthy, he had a great chance to be the best player from this draft.

Having seen Hinkie take a chance on Nerlens last year, it didn't surprise me he would do the same with Embiid this year.

[racestud]

Lopez played in all 82 games of his first 3 seasons.

Then in 11-12 He broke his R foot, missed 32 games and then returned....he then sprained his R ankle a few games after returning and the Nets chose to shut him down for the rest of the 66 game season because they were awful...if they were better he may have logged a few more games.

in 12-13 He sprained his ankle again, but only missed about 7-8 games....played in 74 games that season, made the all-star team and played in all 7 of there playoff games.

in 13-14 he played in 17 games, then broke his R foot again, missing the season....he had injured his fifth metatarsal bone, but in that summer he had to undergo a surgery to remove a screw that bent from his previous surgery.

So Lopez has sprained his R ankle twice and broke the same foot twice in his 6 year career...

so in 6 years, he's logged:
82 82 82 5* 74 17

* Lock-out season (66 games) potentially could have played 15-20 games had Nets been better.

Trends certainly trending downward since his injury, but its not like Lopez is Greg Oden.


Hopefully we get Embiid on a very good nutrition plan, and have him work with physical therapists and trainers a ton to strength his core and lower body to hopefully prevent further injuries.

So after Lopez broke foot the first time he played 74 and then 17 games before breaking again. That does not seem very optimistic. Although Lopez fractured his fifth metatarsal not the navicular bone. However nobody posted this link which says tall people are more prone to injury

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall ... to-injury/

[James40]

I don't know if Embiid was his number 1 guy or not, but when he got injured and fell to 3, it made perfect Hinkie sense to take him. Another low draft pick with Embiid out for most of the year, its the same reason he wanted Saric, he can't play for two years allowing the Sixers to be bad for a better draft pick.

If Okafor snaps his achillies tendon 1 day before the draft next year, he'll be drafted by the Sixers. High Risk - High Reward.

[James40]

Lopez played in all 82 games of his first 3 seasons.

Then in 11-12 He broke his R foot, missed 32 games and then returned....he then sprained his R ankle a few games after returning and the Nets chose to shut him down for the rest of the 66 game season because they were awful...if they were better he may have logged a few more games.

in 12-13 He sprained his ankle again, but only missed about 7-8 games....played in 74 games that season, made the all-star team and played in all 7 of there playoff games.

in 13-14 he played in 17 games, then broke his R foot again, missing the season....he had injured his fifth metatarsal bone, but in that summer he had to undergo a surgery to remove a screw that bent from his previous surgery.

So Lopez has sprained his R ankle twice and broke the same foot twice in his 6 year career...

so in 6 years, he's logged:
82 82 82 5* 74 17

* Lock-out season (66 games) potentially could have played 15-20 games had Nets been better.

Trends certainly trending downward since his injury, but its not like Lopez is Greg Oden.


Hopefully we get Embiid on a very good nutrition plan, and have him work with physical therapists and trainers a ton to strength his core and lower body to hopefully prevent further injuries.

So after Lopez broke foot the first time he played 74 and then 17 games before breaking again. That does not seem very optimistic. Although Lopez fractured his fifth metatarsal not the navicular bone. However nobody posted this link which says tall people are more prone to injury

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall ... to-injury/

I messed this name up before but Brendan Haywood I believe has a more similar injury to Embiid. Not Spencer Haywood, smart arses.

[WorldBeFree]

You guys think he will really sit out the whole season? 6months would be december. Btw if the Best case was wiggins/Saric i am happy we didnt got wiggins... I habe the feeling he will be a bust (not a kwame bust But not that good like.people say) my guy was Parker in this draft

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[76ciology]

You guys think he will really sit out the whole season? 6months would be december. Btw if the Best case was wiggins/Saric i am happy we didnt got wiggins... I habe the feeling he will be a bust (not a kwame bust But not that good like.people say) my guy was Parker in this draft

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My guess is yes, he will sit out for the whole season. Not only should recovery time be factored in but also things like, nutrition, condition and strengthening.

But don't worry the addition of Mcdaniels and Noel should entertain us for the mean time.

[hawk42]

How good is he supposed to be? if healthy, is he a projected future superstar?

I watched 12 Kansas games this year because I wanted to see Wiggins. It is a good thing that I was told Wiggins was the guy or else I barely would have noticed him. He seemed like just another kid and I did not want the team to draft him.

On the other hand I noticed Embiid around the 4th game I saw and he improved with each game. Some guys improve and it's like watching the hour hand on a clock. With Embiid it was like watching the second hand, he was improving so fast with each game.

I'll go out on a limb, and it will probably get sawn off behind me, but in 5 years the debate over who the best player in the League is will be between Anthony Davis and Joel Embiid.

[MCtripDub]

Quick question guys. Both Randle and Jabari also had foot problems in HS. Does anyone know exactly what they were? I tried looking for some articles and they were just labeled as "broken foot". Because if their injuries were anything close to what Embiid had, then we have absolutely have nothing to fear.

Btw, maybe this has some connection as to why Jabari when to visit Jojo? Since he knew exactly what Embiid was going through? Hmm...

[76ciology]

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Doesn't sound like he was red flagged by the bucks.

[76ciology]

Quick question guys. Both Randle and Jabari also had foot problems in HS. Does anyone know exactly what they were? I tried looking for some articles and they were just labeled as "broken foot". Because if their injuries were anything close to what Embiid had, then we have absolutely have nothing to fear.

Btw, maybe this has some connection as to why Jabari when to visit Jojo? Since he knew exactly what Embiid was going through? Hmm...

Jabari seems to have just played it off and eventually let it rest, so I don't think it's major. He also didn't opt for the surgery, so that's another thing.

http://instreetclothes.com/2014/06/12/breaking-julius-randles-injury-effects-draft-night/

Randle suffered a fractured 5th metatarsal in his right foot while attending Prestonwood Christian Academy in Texas. He sat for three months following surgery but returned to lead the Lions to a state title. While the foot held up during his lone season at Kentucky, the injury remains a concern. Apparently the bone healed improperly, forming what is known as a malunion. A procedure to remove the hardware may be required to insure Randle is able to compete at a high level without any fears of long-term problems.

It should also be noted that Randle isn’t the only draft prospect with 5th metatarsal injuries in their past. University of Connecticut point guard Shabazz Napier needed surgery for a fractured 5th metatarsal in September of 2012. He played out the season but did miss two games with lingering soreness in the foot. C.J. Wilcox of the University of Washington underwent the same procedure following the 2012-13 season. Louisville’s Russ Smith had surgery on his foot during his freshmen year and missed four games, though it would not be an issue for the remainder of his collegiate career. Finally, Jordan Adams missed UCLA’s final two games, including the opening round of the 2013 NCAA tournament, after breaking his 5th metatarsal in Pac-12 tournament play. The injury marked the second fracture of the area for Adams, having previously broken the foot in high school.

If you were to ask me, Embiid's foot injury didn't seem like that serious either. First, he played football and golf after the injury. Second, the doctor even presented the option if he would like for it to heal it naturally, but can be a long term issue. But he opt for the surgery because he don't want it to be a long term issue.

[racestud]

What is considered a worse injury fifth metatarsal or navicular bone?

[bedjaw]

You guys think he will really sit out the whole season? 6months would be december. Btw if the Best case was wiggins/Saric i am happy we didnt got wiggins... I habe the feeling he will be a bust (not a kwame bust But not that good like.people say) my guy was Parker in this draft

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My guess is yes, he will sit out for the whole season. Not only should recovery time be factored in but also things like, nutrition, condition and strengthening.

But don't worry the addition of Mcdaniels and Noel should entertain us for the mean time.

I have the same stance I had with Noel. The second he is fully revovered and physically ready to play he should play. Once fully recovered/rehabbed giving him more time doesn't increase or decrease likeliness of him being injured.

[P2K]

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Doesn't sound like he was red flagged by the bucks.

Man, you're really trying had to convince yourself about Embiid

What's Hammond supposed to say...that Joel Embiid should drop like a bomb in the draft? Stop it.

[Tony Franciosa]

You guys think he will really sit out the whole season? 6months would be december. Btw if the Best case was wiggins/Saric i am happy we didnt got wiggins... I habe the feeling he will be a bust (not a kwame bust But not that good like.people say) my guy was Parker in this draft

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My guess is yes, he will sit out for the whole season. Not only should recovery time be factored in but also things like, nutrition, condition and strengthening.

But don't worry the addition of Mcdaniels and Noel should entertain us for the mean time.

I have the same stance I had with Noel. The second he is fully revovered and physically ready to play he should play. Once fully recovered/rehabbed giving him more time doesn't increase or decrease likeliness of him being injured.

I tend to agree. I'm also interested to see how polished (or not) Noel is when he plays this year. It might be that the full year off with extra coaching and refinement to his game will be a big benefit to him. Of course, it's difficult to simulate real time NBA action, but this where Brett Brown and team's player development is supposed to shine. We'll see.

If it works, I'm confident Embiid will come in ready to go in 2015.

[snoopdogg88]

Yeah I think Embiid needs playing time. Hes; only been playing ball for 3 years. I don't think sitting for the sole purpose of sitting benefits him.

This isn't like Noel, where they didn't want him anywhere near the court because they wanted to completely revamp his game first. Plus a fractured foot is not as severe as a torn ACL.


He had the surgery around June 20th? If he comes back mid February around the All Star Break, thats over 7 months for a 5-8 month injury. I would hope he's able to get about 20 games in this season.

[76ciology]

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Doesn't sound like he was red flagged by the bucks.

Man, you're really trying had to convince yourself about Embiid

What's Hammond supposed to say...that Joel Embiid should drop like a bomb in the draft? Stop it.

My point here is, all the reports are consistent. The Celtics, Cavs, Lakers, Sixers and the Bucks don't see Embiid as a red flag.

It's contrary to Nerlens' Noel case who was red flagged by the Cavs, the Suns and if I'm not mistaken, even the Magic.

For me, Embiid's health is just red flagged by speculation. As per medical reports, there is nothing to be scared with. His back is healed and doesn't have any long term concern. His foot is expected to be healed by 5-8 months. There's most likely no systematic or bone density issue with him or else the Cavs wouldn't have put him on top of their list after they had check his medicals.