Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[Negrodamus]

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

Clear room for a FA signing? Look at the champions of the past 20 years. Warriors, Spurs, Lakers, even the Heat were headlined by (a) guy(s) that were drafted by that same team (Wade, Bryant, Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Leonard. Yes, those teams had huge FA signings, but those were transcendent talents coming in like LeBron, Shaq, Bosh, etc. not the corpse of Steve Nash. If he's able to sign Durant or a mega star in this league, then go ahrad. Do not spent the massive cap room we have on a 30 year old point guard that's on the downside of his career. I know a lot of Nash's issues on the Lakers were injury related, but he was OLD.

A max contract on a FA should be spent on the intersection of youth and supreme talent.

The Corpse of Steve Nash? Are your serious?

They signed Steve Nash and he went on to win MVP of the entire league twice, and finished 2nd in year 3. Id say that was a worthwhile signing in free agency. I guess that doesnt qualify as a Mega Star signing in the league??

The Suns also added that awful FA Steve Nash to guys they had drafted in Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion....both all star players in there primes.

I guess that doesn't align with the method of adding Shaq to Wade, or LeBron and Bosh to Wade???

I'm talking about when Bryan was the GM of the Raptors and was going "all in" on Nash in 2012.

[PhilasFinest]

Clear room for a FA signing? Look at the champions of the past 20 years. Warriors, Spurs, Lakers, even the Heat were headlined by (a) guy(s) that were drafted by that same team (Wade, Bryant, Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Leonard. Yes, those teams had huge FA signings, but those were transcendent talents coming in like LeBron, Shaq, Bosh, etc. not the corpse of Steve Nash. If he's able to sign Durant or a mega star in this league, then go ahrad. Do not spent the massive cap room we have on a 30 year old point guard that's on the downside of his career. I know a lot of Nash's issues on the Lakers were injury related, but he was OLD.

A max contract on a FA should be spent on the intersection of youth and supreme talent.

The Corpse of Steve Nash? Are your serious?

They signed Steve Nash and he went on to win MVP of the entire league twice, and finished 2nd in year 3. Id say that was a worthwhile signing in free agency. I guess that doesnt qualify as a Mega Star signing in the league??

The Suns also added that awful FA Steve Nash to guys they had drafted in Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion....both all star players in there primes.

I guess that doesn't align with the method of adding Shaq to Wade, or LeBron and Bosh to Wade???

I'm talking about when Bryan was the GM of the Raptors and was going "all in" on Nash in 2012.

Oh ok. Well I was talking about dumping all of the contracts in PHX to the Knicks, to sign a prime Nash.

The Raptors Nash attempt was certainly a desperation "A.I. coming home to Philly" esque move to try and sell the fans of Canada on bringing home their best player. Don't agree with that one unless ownership was breathing down his back for sales (which was possible)

As a consolation prize, he did decide to trade for Kyle Lowry instead. Which has turned out to be a pretty good deal.


Look I'm not a Colangelo fan boy. Im simply just trying to point out that they have done some really good moves and not all is bad.

If this guy was coming into the situation Hinkie started off with, id be worried. But this roster is so bare and we have so many assets that I think it would take a buffoon to completely botch it.

[sixers hoops]

I think Hinkie did a masterful job at phase one and deserve at least another year. Nevertheless, I want Colangelo to be successful since he will be managing the resources that we just suffered three years for. If he builds a champion with the foundation Hinkie laid, it will just reinforce the value of what Hinkie left us.

Looking objectively, Colangelo has some major hits in the drafts. Michael Finley with the 21st pick, Steve Nash at 15, Stephen Jackson at 42, Amare at 9, DeRozan at 9. Also took Bargnani at 1, Ed Davis at 13, Jonas at 5, and Terrace Ross at 8. After 20 years, there are some big hits and the big miss(Bargnani).

He traded for Lowry, but many say that was dumb luck. Traded for a young Joe Johnson. If I remember correctly, he got fleeced trading Kidd for Marbury. Also traded Joe Johnson for Diaw and 2 firsts.

Here is a review of his Toronto transactions.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Overall, aside from Bargnani, he appears to draft very well. His biggest blunder coming on his most important pick. Trades he is average. The scariest part is his reported poor cap management.

This is just some history I gathered trying to do a little research this morning.

[guitarpath]

One thing that should be said, just to be fair: At least the members of the front office will be on the same page. The tension that existed between JC and Hinkie was never a sustainable construct.

Also, what BC did in Phoenix (with his father) would probably be a more suitable comparison to the present situation than what happened in Toronto. Jerry Colangelo casts such a large shadow in the NBA. Every move goes through him. Make no mistake, the front office and management team is led will will continue to be led by Jerry Colangelo. This is his show.

If the Sixers end up with either the #1 or #2 pick in the upcoming draft, I think they will be fine.

[sixers hoops]

The Corpse of Steve Nash? Are your serious?

They signed Steve Nash and he went on to win MVP of the entire league twice, and finished 2nd in year 3. Id say that was a worthwhile signing in free agency. I guess that doesnt qualify as a Mega Star signing in the league??

The Suns also added that awful FA Steve Nash to guys they had drafted in Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion....both all star players in there primes.

I guess that doesn't align with the method of adding Shaq to Wade, or LeBron and Bosh to Wade???

I'm talking about when Bryan was the GM of the Raptors and was going "all in" on Nash in 2012.

Oh ok. Well I was talking about dumping all of the contracts in PHX to the Knicks, to sign a prime Nash.

The Raptors Nash attempt was certainly a desperation "A.I. coming home to Philly" esque move to try and sell the fans of Canada on bringing home their best player. Don't agree with that one unless ownership was breathing down his back for sales (which was possible)

As a consolation prize, he did decide to trade for Kyle Lowry instead. Which has turned out to be a pretty good deal.


Look I'm not a Colangelo fan boy. Im simply just trying to point out that they have done some really good moves and not all is bad.

If this guy was coming into the situation Hinkie started off with, id be worried. But this roster is so bare and we have so many assets that I think it would take a buffoon to completely botch it.

Again, I'd prefer Hinkie but I hope Colangelo does well. Unless I'm missing something, he has drafted well overall and built a 60 win team in Phoenix. I just hope he has learned to be conservative with cap space. Some people, like Billy King, keep repeating the same mistakes, such as overpaying veterans for past performance and trading away first-round picks. I hope Colangelo is smart enough not to keep repeating his mistakes.

[theo42]

again this idea that Hinkie on the last year of his contract was just going to tank again is asinine as ****. "lol he wasn't going to try to win ever herp derrrrp" is a dumb ass thought that now can't even be proven wrong because we will never know because he was kneecapped before getting a chance to. Its super easy to say that now for some reason despite having no **** proof.

This is the most frustrating part of this whole situation. We will never know how it really was going to turn out..and yet both sides will still act like they were totally right despite the lack of an ending.

Perfectly put.

Sadly, no matter what the outcome may be....we will NEVER know what could have been.

I agree....but if we win the lottery this year and Embiid comes back and plays at a high level...I will draw some conclusions.. Ha

[PhilasFinest]

I think Hinkie did a masterful job at phase one and deserve at least another year. Nevertheless, I want Colangelo to be successful since he will be managing the resources that we just suffered three years for. If he builds a champion with the foundation Hinkie laid, it will just reinforce the value of what Hinkie left us.

Looking objectively, Colangelo has some major hits in the drafts. Michael Finley with the 21st pick, Steve Nash at 15, Stephen Jackson at 42, Amare at 9, DeRozan at 9. Also took Bargnani at 1, Ed Davis at 13, Jonas at 5, and Terrace Ross at 8. After 20 years, there are some big hits and the big miss(Bargnani).

He traded for Lowry, but many say that was dumb luck. Traded for a young Joe Johnson. If I remember correctly, he got fleeced trading Kidd for Marbury. Also traded Joe Johnson for Diaw and 2 firsts.

Here is a review of his Toronto transactions.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Overall, aside from Bargnani, he appears to draft very well. His biggest blunder coming on his most important pick. Trades he is average. The scariest part is his reported poor cap management.

This is just some history I gathered trying to do a little research this morning.

Also, Can we rally classify Bargnani as a "BIG MISS" ?

Obviously he was a bust,a bad #1 overall pick and never lived up to his billing as the next Dirk. But that 2006 draft was AWFUL.

Lets look at the 1st 15 picks:
1.Andrea Bargnani
2.LaMarcus Aldridge (who had questions coming into the league as well on his motor)
3.Adam Morrison
4.Tyrus Thomas
5.Shelden Williams
6.Brandon Roy (great pick, injuries ruined career)
7.Randy Foye
8.Rudy Gay
9.Patrick O'Bryant
10.Mouhammed Sene
11.JJ Reddick
12.Hilton Armstrong
13.Thabo Sefolosha
14.Ronnie Brewer
15.Cedric Simmons

Bargs wasn't a good pick. Obviously LaMarcus Aldridge or maybe reaching on Brandon Roy certainly changes course....but outside of those 2, Who is or was THAT much better of a pick, taking into account that Bargnani did have intriguing upside as a highly skilled 7 footer in a time where Dirk Nowitzki was dominating the NBA.

Looking back, literally 9/15 picks in the lottery aren't even in the NBA today.

[sixers hoops]

I think Hinkie did a masterful job at phase one and deserve at least another year. Nevertheless, I want Colangelo to be successful since he will be managing the resources that we just suffered three years for. If he builds a champion with the foundation Hinkie laid, it will just reinforce the value of what Hinkie left us.

Looking objectively, Colangelo has some major hits in the drafts. Michael Finley with the 21st pick, Steve Nash at 15, Stephen Jackson at 42, Amare at 9, DeRozan at 9. Also took Bargnani at 1, Ed Davis at 13, Jonas at 5, and Terrace Ross at 8. After 20 years, there are some big hits and the big miss(Bargnani).

He traded for Lowry, but many say that was dumb luck. Traded for a young Joe Johnson. If I remember correctly, he got fleeced trading Kidd for Marbury. Also traded Joe Johnson for Diaw and 2 firsts.

Here is a review of his Toronto transactions.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Overall, aside from Bargnani, he appears to draft very well. His biggest blunder coming on his most important pick. Trades he is average. The scariest part is his reported poor cap management.

This is just some history I gathered trying to do a little research this morning.

Also, Can we rally classify Bargnani as a "BIG MISS" ?

Obviously he was a bust,a bad #1 overall pick and never lived up to his billing as the next Dirk. But that 2006 draft was AWFUL.

Lets look at the 1st 15 picks:
1.Andrea Bargnani
2.LaMarcus Aldridge (who had questions coming into the league as well on his motor)
3.Adam Morrison
4.Tyrus Thomas
5.Shelden Williams
6.Brandon Roy (great pick, injuries ruined career)
7.Randy Foye
8.Rudy Gay
9.Patrick O'Bryant
10.Mouhammed Sene
11.JJ Reddick
12.Hilton Armstrong
13.Thabo Sefolosha
14.Ronnie Brewer
15.Cedric Simmons

Bargs wasn't a good pick. Obviously LaMarcus Aldridge or maybe reaching on Brandon Roy certainly changes course....but outside of those 2, Who is or was THAT much better of a pick, taking into account that Bargnani did have intriguing upside as a highly skilled 7 footer in a time where Dirk Nowitzki was dominating the NBA.

Looking back, literally 9/15 picks in the lottery aren't even in the NBA today.

True. As far as #1 picks go, he sucks. As far as being the #1 pick in that horrible draft, not nearly as unforgivable.

[Negrodamus]

The Corpse of Steve Nash? Are your serious?

They signed Steve Nash and he went on to win MVP of the entire league twice, and finished 2nd in year 3. Id say that was a worthwhile signing in free agency. I guess that doesnt qualify as a Mega Star signing in the league??

The Suns also added that awful FA Steve Nash to guys they had drafted in Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion....both all star players in there primes.

I guess that doesn't align with the method of adding Shaq to Wade, or LeBron and Bosh to Wade???

I'm talking about when Bryan was the GM of the Raptors and was going "all in" on Nash in 2012.

Oh ok. Well I was talking about dumping all of the contracts in PHX to the Knicks, to sign a prime Nash.

The Raptors Nash attempt was certainly a desperation "A.I. coming home to Philly" esque move to try and sell the fans of Canada on bringing home their best player. Don't agree with that one unless ownership was breathing down his back for sales (which was possible)

As a consolation prize, he did decide to trade for Kyle Lowry instead. Which has turned out to be a pretty good deal.


Look I'm not a Colangelo fan boy. Im simply just trying to point out that they have done some really good moves and not all is bad.

If this guy was coming into the situation Hinkie started off with, id be worried. But this roster is so bare and we have so many assets that I think it would take a buffoon to completely botch it.

Yea, but desperation pick up of Nash, lucked into Lowry... Is that what we want from our GM?

And he most certainly can screw this up. He will want a PG ASAP, if he doesn't get a top flight guy, is he going to overpay for Monta Ellis or Deron Williams? Will he send picks/one of our young guys just to make a starting lineup make sense. I'm frankly terrified of his next move.

[Lovetron Joe]

I think Hinkie did a masterful job at phase one and deserve at least another year. Nevertheless, I want Colangelo to be successful since he will be managing the resources that we just suffered three years for. If he builds a champion with the foundation Hinkie laid, it will just reinforce the value of what Hinkie left us.

Looking objectively, Colangelo has some major hits in the drafts. Michael Finley with the 21st pick, Steve Nash at 15, Stephen Jackson at 42, Amare at 9, DeRozan at 9. Also took Bargnani at 1, Ed Davis at 13, Jonas at 5, and Terrace Ross at 8. After 20 years, there are some big hits and the big miss(Bargnani).

He traded for Lowry, but many say that was dumb luck. Traded for a young Joe Johnson. If I remember correctly, he got fleeced trading Kidd for Marbury. Also traded Joe Johnson for Diaw and 2 firsts.

Here is a review of his Toronto transactions.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Overall, aside from Bargnani, he appears to draft very well. His biggest blunder coming on his most important pick. Trades he is average. The scariest part is his reported poor cap management.

This is just some history I gathered trying to do a little research this morning.

Also, Can we rally classify Bargnani as a "BIG MISS" ?

Obviously he was a bust,a bad #1 overall pick and never lived up to his billing as the next Dirk. But that 2006 draft was AWFUL.

Lets look at the 1st 15 picks:
1.Andrea Bargnani
2.LaMarcus Aldridge (who had questions coming into the league as well on his motor)
3.Adam Morrison
4.Tyrus Thomas
5.Shelden Williams
6.Brandon Roy (great pick, injuries ruined career)
7.Randy Foye
8.Rudy Gay
9.Patrick O'Bryant
10.Mouhammed Sene
11.JJ Reddick
12.Hilton Armstrong
13.Thabo Sefolosha
14.Ronnie Brewer
15.Cedric Simmons

Bargs wasn't a good pick. Obviously LaMarcus Aldridge or maybe reaching on Brandon Roy certainly changes course....but outside of those 2, Who is or was THAT much better of a pick, taking into account that Bargnani did have intriguing upside as a highly skilled 7 footer in a time where Dirk Nowitzki was dominating the NBA.

Looking back, literally 9/15 picks in the lottery aren't even in the NBA today.

Interesting, I had forgotten how poor that draft class was....

[Negrodamus]

I'm guessing we will draft Simmons or Ingram, sign Rondo to a sizable contract, and trade Okafor for an all-star (maybe a Butler). We go uptempo and actually make a playoff run. Problem will be that Rondo will be signed to a 4-5 year contract and we'll be stuck with him when he begins his inevitable decline.

[phiphan]

Sign Rondo, trade our 1st and Okafor for Boogie, give Kings swap rights for our 1st the next 2 years + unprotected 2019 1st for Rudy Gay, sell team to Vivek.

[Negrodamus]

Sign Rondo, trade our 1st and Okafor for Boogie, give Kings swap rights for our 1st the next 2 years + unprotected 2019 1st for Rudy Gay, sell team to Vivek.

Make Chris Webber VP of basketball operations.

[WVU]

I will be very sad if we sign Rondo. I want us to target Kyrie Irving

[phiphan]

Sign Rondo, trade our 1st and Okafor for Boogie, give Kings swap rights for our 1st the next 2 years + unprotected 2019 1st for Rudy Gay, sell team to Vivek.

Make Chris Webber VP of basketball operations.

Good idea. We need more "basketball guys" -- like the Kings have with Vlade.

[Negrodamus]

I will be very sad if we sign Rondo. I want us to target Kyrie Irving

The problem with Kyrie is that he's not much of a distributing PG which is needed to run this gimmicky Suns offense.

It would be pretty funny to grab Rondo after the Kings made that ludicrous trade to clear cap in order to pick him up.

Rondo clearly did a one year deal to raise value (which he has) and to cash in on this offseason. It's not a terrible move for us:

1. Would make Nerlens a double digit scorer.
2. The games would be incredibly fun to watch.
3. He plays defense, unlike Ish.
4. He'd get Embiid easy shots.

But it's all very shortsighted.

[PhillyNj]

I will be very sad if we sign Rondo. I want us to target Kyrie Irving

The problem with Kyrie is that he's not much of a distributing PG which is needed to run this gimmicky Suns offense.

It would be pretty funny to grab Rondo after the Kings made that ludicrous trade to clear cap in order to pick him up.

Rondo clearly did a one year deal to raise value (which he has) and to cash in on this offseason. It's not a terrible move for us:

1. Would make Nerlens a double digit scorer.
2. The games would be incredibly fun to watch.
3. He plays defense, unlike Ish.
4. He'd get Embiid easy shots.

Don't want rondo here he's a cancer! As for kyrie I think you'd have to seriously overpay to get him.
and I wouldn't over pay he's above average but not a star.
But it's all very shortsighted.

Lastly I'm scared to death theses bafone Conangelos are going to screw this hole thing up. I have absolutely no confidence hey will do any better than your average fan.

[Alfred]

I think Hinkie did a masterful job at phase one and deserve at least another year. Nevertheless, I want Colangelo to be successful since he will be managing the resources that we just suffered three years for. If he builds a champion with the foundation Hinkie laid, it will just reinforce the value of what Hinkie left us.

Looking objectively, Colangelo has some major hits in the drafts. Michael Finley with the 21st pick, Steve Nash at 15, Stephen Jackson at 42, Amare at 9, DeRozan at 9. Also took Bargnani at 1, Ed Davis at 13, Jonas at 5, and Terrace Ross at 8. After 20 years, there are some big hits and the big miss(Bargnani).

He traded for Lowry, but many say that was dumb luck. Traded for a young Joe Johnson. If I remember correctly, he got fleeced trading Kidd for Marbury. Also traded Joe Johnson for Diaw and 2 firsts.

Here is a review of his Toronto transactions.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Overall, aside from Bargnani, he appears to draft very well. His biggest blunder coming on his most important pick. Trades he is average. The scariest part is his reported poor cap management.

This is just some history I gathered trying to do a little research this morning.

Also, Can we rally classify Bargnani as a "BIG MISS" ?

Obviously he was a bust,a bad #1 overall pick and never lived up to his billing as the next Dirk. But that 2006 draft was AWFUL.

Lets look at the 1st 15 picks:
1.Andrea Bargnani
2.LaMarcus Aldridge (who had questions coming into the league as well on his motor)
3.Adam Morrison
4.Tyrus Thomas
5.Shelden Williams
6.Brandon Roy (great pick, injuries ruined career)
7.Randy Foye
8.Rudy Gay
9.Patrick O'Bryant
10.Mouhammed Sene
11.JJ Reddick
12.Hilton Armstrong
13.Thabo Sefolosha
14.Ronnie Brewer
15.Cedric Simmons

Bargs wasn't a good pick. Obviously LaMarcus Aldridge or maybe reaching on Brandon Roy certainly changes course....but outside of those 2, Who is or was THAT much better of a pick, taking into account that Bargnani did have intriguing upside as a highly skilled 7 footer in a time where Dirk Nowitzki was dominating the NBA.

Looking back, literally 9/15 picks in the lottery aren't even in the NBA today.

Interesting, I had forgotten how poor that draft class was....

The problem wasn't the pick necessarily, it was holding onto and making Bargnani the focus of the team long past his "best before" date.

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm still not sure I'm ready to talk about this topic.

[phiphan]

Pretty clear from the press conference that there's a "win now" mandate from ownership, and BC stated he's given a "timeline" to them. Basically nails-on-chalkboard for process lovers. So we can expect a lot of moves this offseason it appears.