Where is Nerlens?

[Ericb5]

Nerlens Noel and Covington for Kevin Love

If I was a Cleveland fan I'd be all over that deal, but as a Sixer fan I don't want Love. I love him as a player, but he doesn't help our logjam which is the only reason for us to trade Noel in the first place.

Boston would probably want him though.

Cavs: Noel and Covington

Celtics: Love

Sixers: Bradley and maybe the 2018 Nets pick if possible, or at least another first round pick.




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[Chris4Vikes]

Nerlens Noel and Covington for Kevin Love

If I was a Cleveland fan I'd be all over that deal, but as a Sixer fan I don't want Love. I love him as a player, but he doesn't help our logjam which is the only reason for us to trade Noel in the first place.

Boston would probably want him though.

Cavs: Noel and Covington

Celtics: Love

Sixers: Bradley and maybe the 2018 Nets pick if possible, or at least another first round pick.




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As a Celtics fan I'd rather have Noel than Love, although the contract situation is tough. AB maybe, but no way a Nets pick is added to that. Not sure Ainge would do AB though.

[the_process]

I think we can all agree that Kevin Love would be the player that Cleveland would offer in return for Noel, and I honestly think that is fair at this point in Loves career. However....A THIRD team would have to be involved. I personally want no part of KLove on this team at the moment, although him next to Embiid is interesting. No no, I think most definitely a third would get involved.

I don't know why you would assume that. Seems to me they would want to pair Love with Noel. I figure they make some crap offer like Tristan and Shumpert.

[broseph13]

Those wanting to trade Okafor in favor of Noel are insane.

Yea, trade a truly talented big who could turn into a 20/10 guy with a ridiculous offensive repertoire, acceptable defense, a solid 10-15 foot jumper, and 3 years left on rookie deal in favor of a guy who has zero offensive skills, terrible hands, couldn't even manage to 1 all-defensive team vote, who probably won't get much better than he already is, and who will want $20-25 million a yr next summer...

Okafor's skillset is very hard replace while Noel's (rim protection/hustle/dirty work) can be replaced much easier. Trade Noel and go find a much cheaper replacement somewhere else. Personally, I think a guy like Wood or Holmes could eventually be that replacement.

Where is this acceptable defense? And you don't think Jah will want a max in three years? And if we want to use All-Defense votes as a measure for Noel, I can just as easily ask why, with his "peerless" offensive skills, was Okafor nowhere to be found on the All-League teams?

Okafor's skill set is the same one that made Orlando trade Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka and then also sign Biyombo to a huge contract. Oh wait, I'm sorry, at least Vucevic can rebound.

Hint: re-read my comment and carefully analyze what was said. From what you're saying, you've made an error in your interpretation.

[the_process]

Those wanting to trade Okafor in favor of Noel are insane.

Yea, trade a truly talented big who could turn into a 20/10 guy with a ridiculous offensive repertoire, acceptable defense, a solid 10-15 foot jumper, and 3 years left on rookie deal in favor of a guy who has zero offensive skills, terrible hands, couldn't even manage to 1 all-defensive team vote, who probably won't get much better than he already is, and who will want $20-25 million a yr next summer...

Okafor's skillset is very hard replace while Noel's (rim protection/hustle/dirty work) can be replaced much easier. Trade Noel and go find a much cheaper replacement somewhere else. Personally, I think a guy like Wood or Holmes could eventually be that replacement.

Where is this acceptable defense? And you don't think Jah will want a max in three years? And if we want to use All-Defense votes as a measure for Noel, I can just as easily ask why, with his "peerless" offensive skills, was Okafor nowhere to be found on the All-League teams?

Okafor's skill set is the same one that made Orlando trade Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka and then also sign Biyombo to a huge contract. Oh wait, I'm sorry, at least Vucevic can rebound.

Hint: re-read my comment and carefully analyze what was said. From what you're saying, you've made an error in your interpretation.

Not sure what is possible to misinterpret there.

[broseph13]

Where is this acceptable defense? And you don't think Jah will want a max in three years? And if we want to use All-Defense votes as a measure for Noel, I can just as easily ask why, with his "peerless" offensive skills, was Okafor nowhere to be found on the All-League teams?

Okafor's skill set is the same one that made Orlando trade Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka and then also sign Biyombo to a huge contract. Oh wait, I'm sorry, at least Vucevic can rebound.

Hint: re-read my comment and carefully analyze what was said. From what you're saying, you've made an error in your interpretation.

Not sure what is possible to misinterpret there.

You're misinterpreting past tense vs future tense.

[spikeslovechild]

Whether Okafor wants a max in three years, it's still three years. Until then even if we were to believe the all the awful prognostications about him from the Noel camp he still is a huge bargain because like you mentioned earlier people with his skillset get max money via free agency.

Also who cares what Orlando is doing or what their thought process is. If they think Vucevic is their problem and would rather have Biyombo then that's their decision. Oh wait, at least Biyombo rebounds. I always found it strange those on the board who harp on Okafor for rebounding while at the same time giving Noel a pass.

For me it comes down to this Okafor showed improvement last year. He has worked hard in the offseason. You don't have to follow twitter or instagram you can see it with his body. He went to USA Basketball to soak up knowledge from the best players in the world despite still being limited by injury.

Where exactly is Noel? How has he improved over the three years he's been here? Oh wait he didn't. In fact, he regressed in many areas. He's also sulking on twitter and posting weak ass subliminal ****. What he really needs to do is get his ass in the weight room and get his ass to the court to work on his free throw and midrange game. Maybe call up Howard and find out where he gets his stickem so he can catch a pass once in awhile.

[ankle420breaker]

Whether Okafor wants a max in three years, it's still three years. Until then even if we were to believe the all the awful prognostications about him from the Noel camp he still is a huge bargain because like you mentioned earlier people with his skillset get max money via free agency.

Also who cares what Orlando is doing or what their thought process is. If they think Vucevic is their problem and would rather have Biyombo then that's their decision. Oh wait, at least Biyombo rebounds. I always found it strange those on the board who harp on Okafor for rebounding while at the same time giving Noel a pass.

For me it comes down to this Okafor showed improvement last year. He has worked hard in the offseason. You don't have to follow twitter or instagram you can see it with his body. He went to USA Basketball to soak up knowledge from the best players in the world despite still being limited by injury.

Where exactly is Noel? How has he improved over the three years he's been here? Oh wait he didn't. In fact, he regressed in many areas. He's also sulking on twitter and posting weak ass subliminal ****. What he really needs to do is get his ass in the weight room and get his ass to the court to work on his free throw and midrange game. Maybe call up Howard and find out where he gets his stickem so he can catch a pass once in awhile.

I can't say I disagree. I still can't get over the fact that he's failed to bulk up and accumulate any mass since he's entered the league.

Still a pushover in the post and a criminally overrated shot blocker.





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[the_process]

Hint: re-read my comment and carefully analyze what was said. From what you're saying, you've made an error in your interpretation.

Not sure what is possible to misinterpret there.

You're misinterpreting past tense vs future tense.

Right, so since future tense neglects the fact that Okafor could not hit those benchmarks you've established, they're false comparisons to use. My point was I don't agree with the factors you're using to bury Noel, especially the notion that no votes for defensive team means he's not worth keeping.

Embiid is not starting this year. He will be playing limited minutes off the bench.
So you want to run Okafor, Simmons, Covington, Henderson, and Bayless as starters. You'll forgive me for wanting to vomit thinking of the defense, which may not matter this year, but will going forward especially if Embiid breaks down again.

It is widely assumed that Okafor will be the biggest beneficiary of Simmons' passing. But Simmons does his best work in transition, where Okafor will be behind the play and not involved.

Finally, after this year assuming Embiid stays healthy and shows enough to merit starting and minutes restriction removal... do you really think Okafor will be happy off the bench?

[mksp]

So this is......weird?

Read on Twitter

[broseph13]

Not sure what is possible to misinterpret there.

You're misinterpreting past tense vs future tense.

Right, so since future tense neglects the fact that Okafor could not hit those benchmarks you've established, they're false comparisons to use. My point was I don't agree with the factors you're using to bury Noel, especially the notion that no votes for defensive team means he's not worth keeping.

Embiid is not starting this year. He will be playing limited minutes off the bench.
So you want to run Okafor, Simmons, Covington, Henderson, and Bayless as starters. You'll forgive me for wanting to vomit thinking of the defense, which may not matter this year, but will going forward especially if Embiid breaks down again.

It is widely assumed that Okafor will be the biggest beneficiary of Simmons' passing. But Simmons does his best work in transition, where Okafor will be behind the play and not involved.

Finally, after this year assuming Embiid stays healthy and shows enough to merit starting and minutes restriction removal... do you really think Okafor will be happy off the bench?

Okafor has the talent to do everything I mentioned, including play defense. Let's stop acting like defense is some difficult skill to excel at because it's not. Defense is 90% effort/10% know-how. I've seen Okafor play good D when he wants to on occasion, so the issue is whether or not he wants to play D the entire game, NOT that he can't play D.

[the_process]

Whether Okafor wants a max in three years, it's still three years. Until then even if we were to believe the all the awful prognostications about him from the Noel camp he still is a huge bargain because like you mentioned earlier people with his skillset get max money via free agency.

Also who cares what Orlando is doing or what their thought process is. If they think Vucevic is their problem and would rather have Biyombo then that's their decision. Oh wait, at least Biyombo rebounds. I always found it strange those on the board who harp on Okafor for rebounding while at the same time giving Noel a pass.

For me it comes down to this Okafor showed improvement last year. He has worked hard in the offseason. You don't have to follow twitter or instagram you can see it with his body. He went to USA Basketball to soak up knowledge from the best players in the world despite still being limited by injury.

Where exactly is Noel? How has he improved over the three years he's been here? Oh wait he didn't. In fact, he regressed in many areas. He's also sulking on twitter and posting weak ass subliminal ****. What he really needs to do is get his ass in the weight room and get his ass to the court to work on his free throw and midrange game. Maybe call up Howard and find out where he gets his stickem so he can catch a pass once in awhile.

This whole stone hands thing is far overrated. But whatever, about the rebounding:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=noelne01&p2=okafoja01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Noel DRB% - 21.6
Okafor DRB% - 17.8

Noel TRB% - 14.6
Okafor TRB% - 12.8

One has above average rebounding percentages. One has below average rebounding percentages.

[the_process]

You're misinterpreting past tense vs future tense.

Right, so since future tense neglects the fact that Okafor could not hit those benchmarks you've established, they're false comparisons to use. My point was I don't agree with the factors you're using to bury Noel, especially the notion that no votes for defensive team means he's not worth keeping.

Embiid is not starting this year. He will be playing limited minutes off the bench.
So you want to run Okafor, Simmons, Covington, Henderson, and Bayless as starters. You'll forgive me for wanting to vomit thinking of the defense, which may not matter this year, but will going forward especially if Embiid breaks down again.

It is widely assumed that Okafor will be the biggest beneficiary of Simmons' passing. But Simmons does his best work in transition, where Okafor will be behind the play and not involved.

Finally, after this year assuming Embiid stays healthy and shows enough to merit starting and minutes restriction removal... do you really think Okafor will be happy off the bench?

Okafor has the talent to do everything I mentioned, including play defense. Let's stop acting like defense is some difficult skill to excel at because it's not. Defense is 90% effort/10% know-how. I've seen Okafor play good D when he wants to on occasion, so the issue is whether or not he wants to play D the entire game, NOT that he can't play D.

Not buying it. He doesn't have the athleticism or awareness to be a good defender. You guys are all counting on Jah to take this LMA/MGasol leap to stardom, when the odds are squarely stacked against that happening.

[CoreyGallagher]

This whole stone hands thing is far overrated. But whatever, about the rebounding:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=noelne01&p2=okafoja01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Noel DRB% - 21.6
Okafor DRB% - 17.8

Noel TRB% - 14.6
Okafor TRB% - 12.8

One has above average rebounding percentages. One has below average rebounding percentages.

Noel only rebounds marginally better without Okafor than Okafor does without Noel. Delving deeper than that, I've mentioned about not only their similar rebounding percentages without one another, but players tended to rebound better with Okafor than they did with Noel (including Noel). We can see that in the individual numbers of front court pairings (with Grant, Covington) as well as the team's total rebounding percentages with either one of them (48% to 45.8%).

Doubt rebounding will ever be a strength for either of them, individually, however.

[Ericb5]

Right, so since future tense neglects the fact that Okafor could not hit those benchmarks you've established, they're false comparisons to use. My point was I don't agree with the factors you're using to bury Noel, especially the notion that no votes for defensive team means he's not worth keeping.

Embiid is not starting this year. He will be playing limited minutes off the bench.
So you want to run Okafor, Simmons, Covington, Henderson, and Bayless as starters. You'll forgive me for wanting to vomit thinking of the defense, which may not matter this year, but will going forward especially if Embiid breaks down again.

It is widely assumed that Okafor will be the biggest beneficiary of Simmons' passing. But Simmons does his best work in transition, where Okafor will be behind the play and not involved.

Finally, after this year assuming Embiid stays healthy and shows enough to merit starting and minutes restriction removal... do you really think Okafor will be happy off the bench?

Okafor has the talent to do everything I mentioned, including play defense. Let's stop acting like defense is some difficult skill to excel at because it's not. Defense is 90% effort/10% know-how. I've seen Okafor play good D when he wants to on occasion, so the issue is whether or not he wants to play D the entire game, NOT that he can't play D.

Not buying it. He doesn't have the athleticism or awareness to be a good defender. You guys are all counting on Jah to take this LMA/MGasol leap to stardom, when the odds are squarely stacked against that happening.

Yet you think that it CAN'T happen. That is the big difference between the haters and non haters. We are thinking that he may be able to do something that may be statistically unlikely, and you guys think it is impossible, and that he will NEVER be able to do it.

In any event, I hope that we just get the trade over with. Until Okafor or Noel is traded it is going to be the only thing that we talk about on this site, and that is boring.


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[broseph13]

Right, so since future tense neglects the fact that Okafor could not hit those benchmarks you've established, they're false comparisons to use. My point was I don't agree with the factors you're using to bury Noel, especially the notion that no votes for defensive team means he's not worth keeping.

Embiid is not starting this year. He will be playing limited minutes off the bench.
So you want to run Okafor, Simmons, Covington, Henderson, and Bayless as starters. You'll forgive me for wanting to vomit thinking of the defense, which may not matter this year, but will going forward especially if Embiid breaks down again.

It is widely assumed that Okafor will be the biggest beneficiary of Simmons' passing. But Simmons does his best work in transition, where Okafor will be behind the play and not involved.

Finally, after this year assuming Embiid stays healthy and shows enough to merit starting and minutes restriction removal... do you really think Okafor will be happy off the bench?

Okafor has the talent to do everything I mentioned, including play defense. Let's stop acting like defense is some difficult skill to excel at because it's not. Defense is 90% effort/10% know-how. I've seen Okafor play good D when he wants to on occasion, so the issue is whether or not he wants to play D the entire game, NOT that he can't play D.

Not buying it. He doesn't have the athleticism or awareness to be a good defender. You guys are all counting on Jah to take this LMA/MGasol leap to stardom, when the odds are squarely stacked against that happening.

Doesn't have the athleticism? Okafor is probably one of the most agile, quickest bigs in the entire league.

[CoreyGallagher]

Not the quickest, he's agile and moves well with the ball, but that won't help him much on defense. He has a long ways to go on defense, understanding what to do in certain situations and hopefully getting into better shape, but believe way too much blame was put on him last season. We actually got to see just how bad the roster was without him - it was just as bad and the defense actually allowed more scoring possessions.

[spikeslovechild]

Whether Okafor wants a max in three years, it's still three years. Until then even if we were to believe the all the awful prognostications about him from the Noel camp he still is a huge bargain because like you mentioned earlier people with his skillset get max money via free agency.

Also who cares what Orlando is doing or what their thought process is. If they think Vucevic is their problem and would rather have Biyombo then that's their decision. Oh wait, at least Biyombo rebounds. I always found it strange those on the board who harp on Okafor for rebounding while at the same time giving Noel a pass.

For me it comes down to this Okafor showed improvement last year. He has worked hard in the offseason. You don't have to follow twitter or instagram you can see it with his body. He went to USA Basketball to soak up knowledge from the best players in the world despite still being limited by injury.

Where exactly is Noel? How has he improved over the three years he's been here? Oh wait he didn't. In fact, he regressed in many areas. He's also sulking on twitter and posting weak ass subliminal ****. What he really needs to do is get his ass in the weight room and get his ass to the court to work on his free throw and midrange game. Maybe call up Howard and find out where he gets his stickem so he can catch a pass once in awhile.

This whole stone hands thing is far overrated. But whatever, about the rebounding:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=noelne01&p2=okafoja01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Noel DRB% - 21.6
Okafor DRB% - 17.8

Noel TRB% - 14.6
Okafor TRB% - 12.8

One has above average rebounding percentages. One has below average rebounding percentages.

In what world is 14.6 above average? For example only seven centers had a worse TRB% lower then Noel. Twenty five had higher rebounding percentage. Thats not above average.

[76ciology]

How about Nerlens + 2018 Sixers 1st for Nets 2017 1st?

[marcush]

How about Nerlens + 2018 Sixers 1st for Nets 2017 1st?

Boston aren't trading that pick.