The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[rzzzzz]

man, Phil Jackson is HOF for challenging talented players who other coaches couldn't handle. as well as developing schemes that make the most of that talent. Doug tried to get a hug club going here, and then chucked it when he saw it wasn't going to bring us a title. betting everything on a hard to handle manchild Phil won two rings with.

[LeonJordanJr24]

This Ben to Golden State thing is probably from his camp lol.

[tsmith]

man, Phil Jackson is HOF for challenging talented players who other coaches couldn't handle. as well as developing schemes that make the most of that talent. Doug tried to get a hug club going here, and then chucked it when he saw it wasn't going to bring us a title. betting everything on a hard to handle manchild Phil won two rings with.

Triangle offense would not work with Ben. If Ben was replaced with a Murray, Russell, Dinwiddie or even a McCollum that type of offense could be elite with our team.

[Kobblehead]

This Ben to Golden State thing is probably from his camp lol.

I don't mind. I think they're a great trading partner for us.

[rzzzzz]

Triangle offense would not work with Ben. If Ben was replaced with a Murray, Russell, Dinwiddie or even a McCollum that type of offense could be elite with our team.

i wonder if Ben (properly developed) could handle the forward at the wing spot of the triangle that Phil successfully ran with Rodman.

[Eyeamok]

You know what's going to happen if Simmons gets traded. It will dawn on him that his shooting is the reason why he was traded. Then he will really work on it, become passable at hitting shots above the 3 point line. Hit a 3 every 3rd game or so and proclaim "my game never changed I just did not have the opportunity to display this side of it."

[76ciology]

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To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

[Tomjas]

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To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

This

Ben AND Joel are monumental talents who work hard on and off the court

Anyone who says differently has never played sports at any real level because they have no idea what it takes

Here’s a fun fact

You have more chance of winning Powerball than of becoming a truly world class sportsman

They have done the hard part.

Now need someone to guide them to the next level and that comes down to man management/strategy

[76ciology]

Watch on YouTube

To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

This

Ben AND Joel are monumental talents who work hard on and off the court

Anyone who says differently has never played sports at any real level because they have no idea what it takes

Here’s a fun fact

You have more chance of winning Powerball than of becoming a truly world class sportsman

They have done the hard part.

Now need someone to guide them to the next level and that comes down to man management/strategy

Problem with this team for the last two seasons is they don’t hunt mismatch while the other team hunts us (specially JJ) on mismatch.

Biid shouldnt just post up guys. He should post up as a mean to punish teams from switching.

While after we acquired Horford, put Ben on the opponents PG then abuse the opponents PG relentlessly.

[Tomjas]

Watch on YouTube

To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

This

Ben AND Joel are monumental talents who work hard on and off the court

Anyone who says differently has never played sports at any real level because they have no idea what it takes

Here’s a fun fact

You have more chance of winning Powerball than of becoming a truly world class sportsman

They have done the hard part.

Now need someone to guide them to the next level and that comes down to man management/strategy

Problem with this team for the last two seasons is they don’t hunt mismatch while the other team hunts us (specially JJ) on mismatch.

Biid shouldnt just post up guys. He should post up as a mean to punish teams from switching.

While after we acquired Horford, put Ben on the opponents PG then abuse the opponents PG relentlessly.

Coaching/man management

Let’s blame Ben for everything as an example

His lack of shooting results in collapsing of defence and double teams on Joel

Then 5 v 4

Logic tells you:

a. “Joel, you’re massive and can see over everybody’s head.
Pass it to open guy”

b. “Ben, you’re always open on perimeter.
Shoot it”

They do neither

[VDT]

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To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

He is already being guarded by guards at times, yesterday by Brogdon. The fact that he doesnt abuse them is actually alarming.

[PLO]

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To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

He is already being guarded by guards at times, yesterday by Brogdon. The fact that he doesnt abuse them is actually alarming.

He certainly abused anyone on the other team in that first half. He was phenomenal. But he does have to have a range game of some sort, because its extremely difficult to keep that energy level up for an entire half, let alone a full game. Much easier to take a few steps and launch a 15 footer with a good chance of falling compared to driving into the D the entire game.

[76ciology]

Watch on YouTube

To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

He is already being guarded by guards at times, yesterday by Brogdon. The fact that he doesnt abuse them is actually alarming.

He certainly abused anyone on the other team in that first half. He was phenomenal. But he does have to have a range game of some sort, because its extremely difficult to keep that energy level up for an entire half, let alone a full game. Much easier to take a few steps and launch a 15 footer with a good chance of falling compared to driving into the D the entire game.

Agree.

Thats where having a talented roster comes in. He should learn how to pace it. Because right now, learning how to pace it is way easier than learning how to shoot.

[eagereyez]

I still maintain that the Sixers should have traded Simmons for Kawhi when they had the chance. Last year they could have trotted out a lineup of Butler/Kawhi/Embiid and steamrolled their way to their first championship in 30 years. And although Kawhi probably would have left, with Simmons gone, Butler likely stays. And then the Sixers could give Harris a boatload of money in FA to sign him while keeping their picks + Shamet. So today the Sixers would have Butler/Harris/Embiid and a ring instead of Simmons/Harris/Embiid and a coach publicly begging his PG to shoot a 3 pointer.

[ivysixer2000]

You know what's going to happen if Simmons gets traded. It will dawn on him that his shooting is the reason why he was traded. Then he will really work on it, become passable at hitting shots above the 3 point line. Hit a 3 every 3rd game or so and proclaim "my game never changed I just did not have the opportunity to display this side of it."

Unfortunately Ben might be worried about Ms. Jenner and her BILLION DOLLAR NET WORTH alone without the rest of her family, than anything to do with being a better basketball player.....after all he is already paid now too.

[pickprotection]

Here is the main Ben Simmons problem. He's a center on offense. He literally has the same shot chart as Nerlens, Gobert, Capela, Holmes etc. That would be fine if he was able to defend centers on the other end but every time he has played C it has exposed how small he is in length and weak he is in defending the post up bigs. We consistently have a 120 defensive rating when he plays C since his rookie year.

Simmons being a center on offense also complicates the fact that he cannot play with a normal center on offense. Guys like Holmes, Amir, Pelle, Monroe, Boban all had anemic offenses when playing with Ben since they both will not shoot 3's.

Embiid and Horford work with Simmons (seperately) since they have high 3pt attempt rates for the center positions and are at least respectable on that end.

Embiid, Horford, Simmons doesn't work since you are essentially playing 3 centers together on offense (although two at least attempt 3's). That's impossible to succeed with in the modern NBA.

All the Simmons problems can be boiled down to him being a center on offense who can't play center on defense.

[Arsenal]

Here is the main Ben Simmons problem. He's a center on offense. He literally has the same shot chart as Nerlens, Gobert, Capela, Holmes etc. That would be fine if he was able to defend centers on the other end but every time he has played C it has exposed how small he is in length and weak he is in defending the post up bigs. We consistently have a 120 defensive rating when he plays C since his rookie year.

Simmons being a center on offense also complicates the fact that he cannot play with a normal center on offense. Guys like Holmes, Amir, Pelle, Monroe, Boban all had anemic offenses when playing with Ben since they both will not shoot 3's.

Embiid and Horford work with Simmons (seperately) since they have high 3pt attempt rates for the center positions and are at least respectable on that end.

Embiid, Horford, Simmons doesn't work since you are essentially playing 3 centers together on offense (although two at least attempt 3's). That's impossible to succeed with in the modern NBA.

All the Simmons problems can be boiled down to him being a center on offense who can't play center on defense.

It's a simple fix. Embiid + Simmons is a great duo when surrounded by the right players. Which is NOT Al Horford. So they should stagger their minutes so they never play together. That means Horford to the bench.

But they won't do that because it shows how incompetent the front office was to bring in a $28M/year bench player who CAN'T play with our 2 best players.

[mjkvol]

You know what's going to happen if Simmons gets traded. It will dawn on him that his shooting is the reason why he was traded. Then he will really work on it, become passable at hitting shots above the 3 point line. Hit a 3 every 3rd game or so and proclaim "my game never changed I just did not have the opportunity to display this side of it."

And in the meantime he would become a HOFer and win multiple rings playing somewhere else. That would put some capper on the way these clowns are butchering The Process, wouldn't it?

[mjkvol]

It's a simple fix. Embiid + Simmons is a great duo when surrounded by the right players. Which is NOT Al Horford. So they should stagger their minutes so they never play together. That means Horford to the bench.

But they won't do that because it shows how incompetent the front office was to bring in a $28M/year bench player who CAN'T play with our 2 best players.

Really, this is the most logical solution to the issues here, and the one that costs us nothing. Talk to Horford and sell him on the idea of being the 6th man - he would still get his minutes, but would be on the floor with a surrounding cast that compliments what he does well. And the cherry on top is we still have the big lineup available for those matchups where it will be effective, like the Bucks and Raptors.

As you say, it won't happen because of what he's being paid, and because it will expose the idiocy of the 'bully ball' concept in today's NBA.

[VDT]

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To unlock Ben’a aggressiveness, we need him to put him in position to attack opponents guards.

He is already being guarded by guards at times, yesterday by Brogdon. The fact that he doesnt abuse them is actually alarming.

He certainly abused anyone on the other team in that first half. He was phenomenal. But he does have to have a range game of some sort, because its extremely difficult to keep that energy level up for an entire half, let alone a full game. Much easier to take a few steps and launch a 15 footer with a good chance of falling compared to driving into the D the entire game.

I wouldnt say he abused him.

The only time he used his physical advantage was in his first basket. He scored a bit against Brogdon but they were drives after his opponent was screened.

Which isnt bad but he needs to learn to create space with his body when driving. That's when teams will stop putting guards on him.