Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[76ciology]

If there’s one bright spot with this situation we’re in, it’s we can finally go away with a guard who is a bad scorer and a bad shooter. We know basketball nowadays punishes team on offense with these type of guards.

Atleast we Ben, you can surround him with scorers and slide him to PF. So there’s ways to counter it.

With Murray, you’re checkmated. There’s just no way to go around it. If Murray is a center, he’d be a decent shooter/scoring center with really bad defense. He’d be like Enes Kanter. It’s like these type of players are exactly what the game is trying to not favor.

If you guys prefer bad scoring/shooting guards with decent to good defense and all around games, then try to get Kris Josh Rich, Dunn or MCW instead. They are not as good but they can give you what you want.

One of the biggest mistakes of this team was doubling down on their mistake and not adjusting. We saw how impactful the two man game of Trae and Maxey is and how little value it is for a guard’s defense with being wiped from a screen play off a 2 man game. We should rather learn from our experience.

You may point out how big Jrue was with the Bucks. But Jrue is way better on offense than Murray. Murray is more like Eric Bledsoe than Jrue. These type of guys wont be playable on big stages and when the game is tight.

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Part V woo.

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[Jhawk03]

Classic headless chicken media, fans, social media... I can't wait for Simmons to come back and represent the 76ers!

[Jhawk03]

Classic headless chicken media, fans, social media... I can't wait for Simmons to come back and represent the 76ers!

Most important, Kuck Fluctch Sports for gas lighting

[76ciology]

Let’s say you look at the 2021 draft.

Where would you draft CJ Mccullom and Murray?

I think CJ would be a top 3 to 5 pick and Murray is a mid teens to low first round pick.

If you are looking at a mid teens and low first round pick, you can get that with your draft pick next season! While a top 3-5 pick is very likely impossible next season unless you tank and take a breather.

Not only that, but your team is gonna be way better with CJ than Murray next season

[76ciology]

I dont mind getting Haliburton in return. I’ll see how it goes. If it works out then I’ll keep him. If not, then I’ll use him as a trade chip for a high scoring combo guard in the future.

Haliburton is not what we need. But he is good player and a valuable trade chip.

[phillynative]

Part V woo.

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They need to put down the blunt.

-He's not a superstar and will never be with the mentality he has. He is content with his game he had said it himself.

- He's no Magic , Kareem not even a Giannis that's disrespectful he is still eveb used in the same sentence as them and plain lazy.

- You can't "Giannis this dude" because he doesn't want to get fouled nor is he no where the finisher.

- Doc is out of touch and obviously enamored with the idea of having a huge "guard" who does alot of things well but is not obsessed with scoring. Instead of telling Ben to be aggressive he doubled down on him not scoring or shooting saying he doesn't need to all season. Than when he does just that in the playoffs and team is upset his whole tone changed post game lol

I disagree with everything said except that Ben is talented(role player tho) and doc is clueless .

[Kobblehead]

JJ recently retired and NBA randomly showed me a highlight of Jj’s top 10 plays for his career. I noticed that most plays are with him as a Sixer. So i ask myself.

Who played a bigger role in the 2018 and 2019 playoffs?

JJ Redick or Ben?

They both sucked in the 2019 playoffs, but Redick was a legit baller in the 2018 playoffs.

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Part V woo.

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They need to put down the blunt.

-He's not a superstar and will never be with the mentality he has. He is content with his game he had said it himself.

- He's no Magic , Kareem not even a Giannis that's disrespectful he is still eveb used in the same sentence as them and plain lazy.

- You can't "Giannis this dude" because he doesn't want to get fouled nor is he no where the finisher.

- Doc is out of touch and obviously enamored with the idea of having a huge "guard" who does alot of things well but is not obsessed with scoring. Instead of telling Ben to be aggressive he doubled down on him not scoring or shooting saying he doesn't need to all season. Than when he does just that in the playoffs and team is upset his whole tone changed post game lol

I disagree with everything said except that Ben is talented(role player tho) and doc is clueless .

How many years in the NBA do you have compared to Gilbert and Barnes? Thought so.

[Kobblehead]

Let’s say you look at the 2021 draft.

Where would you draft CJ Mccullom and Murray?

I think CJ would be a top 3 to 5 pick and Murray is a mid teens to low first round pick.

I would take the 19 year old dribble-pass-defend guy that put up 16+ in the Pac-12 over a 4 year guy from the Patriot league.

[Iverson Armband]

Let’s say you look at the 2021 draft.

Where would you draft CJ Mccullom and Murray?

I think CJ would be a top 3 to 5 pick and Murray is a mid teens to low first round pick.

I would take the 19 year old dribble-pass-defend guy that put up 16+ in the Pac-12 over a 4 year guy from the Patriot league.

And with the benefit of hindsight, you’d still be wrong.

[Kobblehead]

Let’s say you look at the 2021 draft.

Where would you draft CJ Mccullom and Murray?

I think CJ would be a top 3 to 5 pick and Murray is a mid teens to low first round pick.

I would take the 19 year old dribble-pass-defend guy that put up 16+ in the Pac-12 over a 4 year guy from the Patriot league.

And with the benefit of hindsight, you’d still be wrong.

I'd trust the process over the anomalies. Never take 4 years players from the Patriot league lol.

[Iverson Armband]

I would take the 19 year old dribble-pass-defend guy that put up 16+ in the Pac-12 over a 4 year guy from the Patriot league.

And with the benefit of hindsight, you’d still be wrong.

I'd trust the process over the anomalies. Never take 4 years players from the Patriot league lol.

Lol. Funny you take this stance with your emphasis on shot creation.

[phillynative]

Part V woo.

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They need to put down the blunt.

-He's not a superstar and will never be with the mentality he has. He is content with his game he had said it himself.

- He's no Magic , Kareem not even a Giannis that's disrespectful he is still eveb used in the same sentence as them and plain lazy.

- You can't "Giannis this dude" because he doesn't want to get fouled nor is he no where the finisher.

- Doc is out of touch and obviously enamored with the idea of having a huge "guard" who does alot of things well but is not obsessed with scoring. Instead of telling Ben to be aggressive he doubled down on him not scoring or shooting saying he doesn't need to all season. Than when he does just that in the playoffs and team is upset his whole tone changed post game lol

I disagree with everything said except that Ben is talented(role player tho) and doc is clueless .

How many years in the NBA do you have compared to Gilbert and Barnes? Thought so.

0 years playing in the NBA but a functioning brain and two eyes that can see.

[Kobblehead]

And with the benefit of hindsight, you’d still be wrong.

I'd trust the process over the anomalies. Never take 4 years players from the Patriot league lol.

Lol. Funny you take this stance with your emphasis on shot creation.

You're mistaken. Their shotcreation profiles were nearly identical.

Murray at Washington as a freshman: 32.4% assisted at the rim, 15.2% assisted in the mid-range
McCollum at Lehigh as a senior: 38.2% assisted at the rim, 13.8% assisted in the mid-range

Again, I'll always take the freshman in a power conference over an old guy in a trash conference.

[syntax]

They need to put down the blunt.

-He's not a superstar and will never be with the mentality he has. He is content with his game he had said it himself.

- He's no Magic , Kareem not even a Giannis that's disrespectful he is still eveb used in the same sentence as them and plain lazy.

- You can't "Giannis this dude" because he doesn't want to get fouled nor is he no where the finisher.

- Doc is out of touch and obviously enamored with the idea of having a huge "guard" who does alot of things well but is not obsessed with scoring. Instead of telling Ben to be aggressive he doubled down on him not scoring or shooting saying he doesn't need to all season. Than when he does just that in the playoffs and team is upset his whole tone changed post game lol

I disagree with everything said except that Ben is talented(role player tho) and doc is clueless .

How many years in the NBA do you have compared to Gilbert and Barnes? Thought so.

0 years playing in the NBA but a functioning brain and two eyes that can see.

Thanks for that resume but i'll take the two guys with over 20 years combined actually playing in the league to your two eyes.

[Negrodamus]

Let’s say you look at the 2021 draft.

Where would you draft CJ Mccullom and Murray?

I think CJ would be a top 3 to 5 pick and Murray is a mid teens to low first round pick.

If you are looking at a mid teens and low first round pick, you can get that with your draft pick next season! While a top 3-5 pick is very likely impossible next season unless you tank and take a breather.

Not only that, but your team is gonna be way better with CJ than Murray next season

I'd take Murray because he's exactly 6 years younger (same birthday strangely), is probably a top 5 defensive guard in the NBA, and just finished a 15ppg, 7rpg, and 5 apg (pretty close to Ben's numbers this year) season as the second ballhandler to DeRozan.

There are several areas in which Murray has been good for a while. The most well-covered one is defense. Dejounte already has an All-Defense team nod in his career and he’s only gotten better on that end. Because of the position he plays and the prevalence of ball screens in the modern NBA, he’ll never have as big an impact on that end as an elite defensive center, but it’s undeniable that Murray is among the best perimeter defenders in the league. He ranks among the best isolation defenders in the NBA, according to Synergy Sports, which is fantastic for a player who often covers the point of attack and guards opponent stars.

While talking about DeRozan, he's known as a killer in the midrange. DeRozan shot 46% from 10-16 ft, and 48% from 16-3pt range. Pretty good, right? Enough to refer to him as a "good shooter". Murray shot 45% and almost 48%, respectively, from those distances. He's improved his shooting/scorer and is increasing his 3PAr every year.

The other unquestionably great aspect of Murray’s game is his mid-range shooting. Over 23 percent of Murray’s made two-point field goals come from the in-between area, one of the highest marks in the league. It could be problematic for a player to be so dependent on what is typically a low percentage shot — and ideally he’ll exchange some long two for threes going forward — but Murray also ranks highly in field goal percentage from mid-range at 45 percent. That’s better than Jason Tatum and Khris Middleton, for comparison.

Since most of Murray’s mid-range makes are unassisted, as opposed to the looks pick-and-pop bigs get, his pull-up is not just a tool to get a shot up in a time of need — although it definitely is that — but also a way to keep defenses honest. Murray is great at using the room created by ball screens to transition into his shot, especially going left. If opponents try to take away the drives by switching, he can just break out his deadly crossover to his left, pull-up convo. Out of all of 67 Murray’s mid-range makes, 11 have come from what is quickly becoming his go-to move when a big man is on him.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2021/3/16/22318364/dejounte-murray-has-made-the-leap-the-spurs-needed

So, my takeaway after doing a deeper dive on Murray is he would likely continue to progress in the scoring department when he has the best center in the game pulling the defense towards him; especially now with Ben gone. Obviously on paper everyone is going to clamor for CJ McCollum because he has 4 more seasons of stats on him (and also entered the league at 22), but if you follow the progression, Murray appears to be progressing very quickly and will likely pass CJ in all around game pretty soon.

[Iverson Armband]

How many years in the NBA do you have compared to Gilbert and Barnes? Thought so.

0 years playing in the NBA but a functioning brain and two eyes that can see.

Thanks for that resume but i'll take the two guys with over 20 years combined actually playing in the league to your two eyes.

Since you want to go that route, should I link what some HOFers have said about Ben?

[Negrodamus]

Also, there's no questioning Dejounte Murray's shotcreation ability. That's basically his entire offensive game.

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[phillynative]

How many years in the NBA do you have compared to Gilbert and Barnes? Thought so.

0 years playing in the NBA but a functioning brain and two eyes that can see.

Thanks for that resume but i'll take the two guys with over 20 years combined actually playing in the league to your two eyes.

So lets see...Shaq and Charles played close to 40 years combined in the NBA do you agree with what they say about Ben? Exactly.

Anyone who has watched Ben and the 76ers almost every game knows exactly what type of player Ben is and it's not what people hoped or projected him to be. It's unhealthy to live in delusion you know