Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[zimpy27]

Caris Levert is not good y'all please

Don’t think anyone here is lobbying for it, just reacting to it being the only legit rumor around

Skimmed and saw multiple pro-Caris posts. He's unspectacular and so is TJ Warren. I like Brogdon but with his injury history he's a woeful centrepiece in a Simmons trade.

I'm with the_process. Sabonis to a third team, or bust.

Caris is just so useful to Philly lineups though because of Curry and Maxey. Both guys are great small SGs that need to cover opposing PGs but aren't ideal playmakers. Philly has Green and Thybulle that can help defensively on guards but ultimately aren't playmakers either.

The team has been setup around a wing playmaker because you have Simmons. So a wing playmaker like Caris fits the mold with Philly right now.

That's the sell on Caris and if I'm Philly then I'm buying. Every season is important because Philly isn't that far away.

[spikeslovechild]

I've been tinkering with a trade, do you folks think this would be fair ?

PHL
Simmons -> MIN
Milton -> ORL
2 future 2ndRPs -> ORL

MIN
Prince -> ORL
Beasley -> PHL
Layman -> PHL
22, 24 FRP -> PHL

ORL
T.Ross -> PHL
Moore ->MIN
future 2RP -> MIN



PHL trades Simmons to MIN plus Shake Milton ends up in Orlando. PHL gives two future 2nds to Orlando also.

In return, The Sixers receive sharpshooters Malik Beasley and Terrance Ross, swingman Jake Layman from both the T-Wolves and Magic. Minnesota sends two First Round Picks '22, and '24 to Philly.

Meanwhile, MIN gets Best Player Traded, Ben Simmons, and combo-guard Etwuan Moore, and a future 2nd-Rounder.

Why ? Solution for Ben Simmons situtaiotn PHL with competent scorers and future picks which will likely be very good considering Minnesota's luck, they get great pieces to fit around Embiid.

MIN gets their lineup of the future with Simmons, Towns, Russell, and Edwards, sacrificing the future, but that franchise needs to win.

ORL swings in to receive picks and help facilitate salary, trading only a future 2nd to MIN and a bench guard to receive four total players.


Cheers

No thanks.

You aren't getting Simmons for a bunch of salary filler and late first round picks. Sorry. Malik Beasley is a ticking time bomb and I honestly wouldn't want him if he was free.

[fkd215]

has anyone asked colin jost what he thinks

Carrot Top has been awfully quiet on the matter as well.

[HotelVitale]

Kevin Hart is a friend of Ben & was with him this week Doesn’t sound like he’s coming back anytime soon

I lost count between the number of dumb nonsensical things he said and the number of Klutch talking point he spat out.

He’s a massive Sixers fan & I somehow doubt that he’s on the Klutch payroll

That was still a weird 3 minutes, avoiding taking any stance but seemed to be taking a really passionate one. He's an entertainer so guess he doesn't usually have to make sense but it's still weird that someone confidently says stuff like 'Simmons is good! he didn't win in the playoffs, sure. It's hard to be all-star! Philly's tough.' as though that's a take on the topic. Simmons is a max-contract all-star guy who thinks he's a great player, and he just averaged 10/6/8 and 11/7/5 in his team's last two closeout playoff series, despite the team desperately needing offensive production. It's not like Simmons played great but didn't shoot 3s, or like he played okay and the team lost so he's catching heat. He had an extremely strange flameout and seems incapable of even acknowledging it happened, there's a lot to unpack there and talk about but 'he's talented, he's a star!' isn't getting us there.

[HotelVitale]

Don’t think anyone here is lobbying for it, just reacting to it being the only legit rumor around

Skimmed and saw multiple pro-Caris posts. He's unspectacular and so is TJ Warren. I like Brogdon but with his injury history he's a woeful centrepiece in a Simmons trade.

I'm with the_process. Sabonis to a third team, or bust.

Caris is just so useful to Philly lineups though because of Curry and Maxey. Both guys are great small SGs that need to cover opposing PGs but aren't ideal playmakers. Philly has Green and Thybulle that can help defensively on guards but ultimately aren't playmakers either. The team has been setup around a wing playmaker because you have Simmons. So a wing playmaker like Caris fits the mold with Philly right now. That's the sell on Caris and if I'm Philly then I'm buying. Every season is important because Philly isn't that far away.

I know you're not trying to troll but to us this sounds like 'when you get the chance to trade your 25 year-old all-star for an inefficient older player who's missed half or more of the last 4 seasons, because he kinda has the same game and body type as the guy you're trading, you gotta do it right?'

[Sixerscan]

I lost count between the number of dumb nonsensical things he said and the number of Klutch talking point he spat out.

He’s a massive Sixers fan & I somehow doubt that he’s on the Klutch payroll

That was still a weird 3 minutes, avoiding taking any stance but seemed to be taking a really passionate one. He's an entertainer so guess he doesn't usually have to make sense but it's still weird that someone confidently says stuff like 'Simmons is good! he didn't win in the playoffs, sure. It's hard to be all-star! Philly's tough.' as though that's a take on the topic. Simmons is a max-contract all-star guy who thinks he's a great player, and he just averaged 10/6/8 and 11/7/5 in his team's last two closeout playoff series, despite the team desperately needing offensive production. It's not like Simmons played great but didn't shoot 3s, or like he played okay and the team lost so he's catching heat. He had an extremely strange flameout and seems incapable of even acknowledging it happened, there's a lot to unpack there and talk about but 'he's talented, he's a star!' isn't getting us there.

If he knows Simmons he's not gonna go on some random podcast and flame the guy.

I call BS on Kevin Hart being a "massive Sixers fan". Guy is too busy.

[zimpy27]

Skimmed and saw multiple pro-Caris posts. He's unspectacular and so is TJ Warren. I like Brogdon but with his injury history he's a woeful centrepiece in a Simmons trade.

I'm with the_process. Sabonis to a third team, or bust.

Caris is just so useful to Philly lineups though because of Curry and Maxey. Both guys are great small SGs that need to cover opposing PGs but aren't ideal playmakers. Philly has Green and Thybulle that can help defensively on guards but ultimately aren't playmakers either. The team has been setup around a wing playmaker because you have Simmons. So a wing playmaker like Caris fits the mold with Philly right now. That's the sell on Caris and if I'm Philly then I'm buying. Every season is important because Philly isn't that far away.

I know you're not trying to troll but to us this sounds like 'when you get the chance to trade your 25 year-old all-star for an inefficient older player who's missed half or more of the last 4 seasons, because he kinda has the same game and body type as the guy you're trading, you gotta do it right?'

There's a lot of glass half-empty perspective in that. Yes, people will be disappointed in the Ben return. I'm not saying Caris alone, that would be insane, I'm speaking to the rumoured acceptable offer of Brogdon+Caris+FRP. It is as good as you might expect for Ben this year and it's a pretty good package.

I think Brogdon and the FRP was the initial offer. The inclusion of Caris is a good one though, I think that helps Philly a lot next season.

[JRoy]

I've been tinkering with a trade, do you folks think this would be fair ?

PHL
Simmons -> MIN
Milton -> ORL
2 future 2ndRPs -> ORL

MIN
Prince -> ORL
Beasley -> PHL
Layman -> PHL
22, 24 FRP -> PHL

ORL
T.Ross -> PHL
Moore ->MIN
future 2RP -> MIN



PHL trades Simmons to MIN plus Shake Milton ends up in Orlando. PHL gives two future 2nds to Orlando also.

In return, The Sixers receive sharpshooters Malik Beasley and Terrance Ross, swingman Jake Layman from both the T-Wolves and Magic. Minnesota sends two First Round Picks '22, and '24 to Philly.

Meanwhile, MIN gets Best Player Traded, Ben Simmons, and combo-guard Etwuan Moore, and a future 2nd-Rounder.

Why ? Solution for Ben Simmons situtaiotn PHL with competent scorers and future picks which will likely be very good considering Minnesota's luck, they get great pieces to fit around Embiid.

MIN gets their lineup of the future with Simmons, Towns, Russell, and Edwards, sacrificing the future, but that franchise needs to win.

ORL swings in to receive picks and help facilitate salary, trading only a future 2nd to MIN and a bench guard to receive four total players.


Cheers

No thanks.

You aren't getting Simmons for a bunch of salary filler and late first round picks. Sorry. Malik Beasley is a ticking time bomb and I honestly wouldn't want him if he was free.

MN fans keep saying Beasleys issues are in the past, but he’s in pretty much every one of their trade offers.

[76ciology]

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Brogdon would be a good fit. He settles a lot on jumpers which he is great at. He generates shots for himself off two man games and if the big dont step out to challenge its money for him. And the big can’t step out because of the respect they have on Embiid.

Lavert is probably the guy you rely to when you need an ISO basket.

Somebody mentioned trading Tobi and Sabonis to sweeten the deal for us, and I also wouldnt mind this deal.

People hate the idea of Embiid playing with a PF like Siakam or Sabonis because of their traumatic experience with Ben, it’s not the same thing specially now that Biid is trending towards to be one of the best mid range shooting center in history of the game. You can use your creativity to create mismatches with that type of frontcourt.

Then in the offseason, you get a lot of options. You can trade up with the Pacers pick, or trade using one or all the incoming pacers players.

Pacers aint bad as well. TJ Warren and Tobi are scorers that could work with Ben. While Turner seems like a center who would be a great fit to unlock Ben.

Ben
Duarte
TJ Warren
Tobias
Turner

Thats a good line-up that would sell more tickets (pacers is more concerned for $ than ring).

[76ciology]

Getting Caris is scary.

But if we can do our homework on him by taking him to a clairvoyant to determine his health, I’d take a chance of him.

Then I’d ask for a pick or a pick swap from the Pacers as sort of an insurance in case he’s a damaged good. Preferably a pick AND a pick swap.

[76ciology]

Reminder on this thread.

There are some trolls that may post here just to get interaction.

syntax is sleeping...

I mean, it was night time in Australia when you posted this.

Evil never sleeps, its just waiting for the right time to strike when you’re at your most vulnerable

[Tomjas]

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Brogdon would be a good fit. He settles a lot on jumpers which he is great at. He generates shots for himself off two man games and if the big dont step out to challenge its money for him. And the big can’t step out because of the respect they have on Embiid.

Lavert is probably the guy you rely to when you need an ISO basket.

Somebody mentioned trading Tobi and Sabonis to sweeten the deal for us, and I also wouldnt mind this deal.

People hate the idea of Embiid playing with a PF like Siakam or Sabonis because of their traumatic experience with Ben, it’s not the same thing specially now that Biid is trending towards to be one of the best mid range shooting center in history of the game. You can use your creativity to create mismatches with that type of frontcourt.

Then in the offseason, you get a lot of options. You can trade up with the Pacers pick, or trade using one or all the incoming pacers players.

Pacers aint bad as well. TJ Warren and Tobi are scorers that could work with Ben. While Turner seems like a center who would be a great fit to unlock Ben.

Ben
Duarte
TJ Warren
Tobias
Turner

Thats a good line-up that would sell more tickets (pacers is more concerned for $ than ring).

No sane person is going to pair Ben & Tobias again plus Sabonis is arguably the better player and gets paid less than half of Harris

Smart move is to get Ben then trade Sabonis for Hield or Barnes plus Halliburton

Only problem is that the Pacers would beat us

[Mik317]

someone else said it best on Caris

he is the king of incredible moves to get any shot off....and then he misses most of said shots. So it looks great and then you realize he took 22 shots to get 24 points lol.

[Sixerscan]

They’re not trading Tobias this year.

[Negrodamus]

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3 picks and swaps from Portland? Why? That goes against what has been reported as Morey's agenda behind the trade.

[Wilfried]

They’re not trading Tobias this year.

Would be very strange indeed.
He could get a major bump in playmaking and number 2 option on this team, and if the team plays well, he can even be an All-Star imo.

Next summer, with 2 seasons left and maybe that AS nod, the return in a trade could be a positive. Now would not be.

[spikeslovechild]

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3 picks and swaps from Portland? Why? That goes against what has been reported as Morey's agenda behind the trade.

I don't want CJ. He would be a disaster with his deal in a couple of years. Their picks aren't very valuable I am glad they said no.

If he was younger or had a shorter deal it would make sense. Brogdon to me is a much more attractive player.

[Stanford]

That's not what "breaking news" means, you idiot buffoon

[spikeslovechild]

That's not what "breaking news" means, you idiot buffoon

Also the dramatic sound in the background is beyond annoying.

[Stanford]

Shams sucks hard

BREAKING NEWS:

"... make no mistake: Simmons is not in the right either..."

wow, cool breaking news, bro. thanks

dude thinks if you say 'sources say,' it's a news story