Who should/will be new Sixers coach?

[Sam Hinkie]

The big wild card is Ty Lue. Everyone expects him to part ways with the Clippers & he’ll get to pick between the Bucks, Suns, and Sixers. I’m guessing we’d probably be last on that list but it’s not crazy to think that he’d think he could take Harden/Embiid/Maxey to the next level.

No it is crazy to think that, because as mentioned in another thread just now, none of those players meets the requirement for leading a team to a championship. Thinking Ty Lue is going to transform Embiid, Harden, or Maxey into what's needed to win an NBA championship is like thinking Andy Reid for example could transform Derrick Henry into the kind of player whose production can overcome that of an elite QB in the NFL. That isn't happening. The team simply doesn't have the kind of player necessary to spearhead a championship in today's NBA, and there is no coach on the planet who has the power to fix that.

I disagree with this. The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2. If they won that series they would have been around +230 (30%) to win the title. They had a real chance to win the title this year. Doc certaintly wasn't the problem but a top 5 coach probably wins that series.

Embiid isn't doomed for a career of losing. He needs to be put in a better position to succeed. That includes handling less of the load on offense. Getting in better shape. Playing fewer minutes in the regular season. Improving his 3 point shot.

The defensive Embiid in most of the games in the Celtics series looked like a man possessed who came up clutch. He had zero conditioning and got in his head. He can overcome this. It certainly won't be easy, or maybe even likely, but we still have a chance with the right moves and the right coaching hire.

[Ferry Avenue]

The big wild card is Ty Lue. Everyone expects him to part ways with the Clippers & he’ll get to pick between the Bucks, Suns, and Sixers. I’m guessing we’d probably be last on that list but it’s not crazy to think that he’d think he could take Harden/Embiid/Maxey to the next level.

No it is crazy to think that, because as mentioned in another thread just now, none of those players meets the requirement for leading a team to a championship. Thinking Ty Lue is going to transform Embiid, Harden, or Maxey into what's needed to win an NBA championship is like thinking Andy Reid for example could transform Derrick Henry into the kind of player whose production can overcome that of an elite QB in the NFL. That isn't happening. The team simply doesn't have the kind of player necessary to spearhead a championship in today's NBA, and there is no coach on the planet who has the power to fix that.

I disagree with this. The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2. If they won that series they would have been around +230 (30%) to win the title. They had a real chance to win the title this year. Doc certaintly wasn't the problem but a top 5 coach probably wins that series.

Embiid isn't doomed for a career of losing. He needs to be put in a better position to succeed. That includes handling less of the load on offense. Getting in better shape. Playing fewer minutes in the regular season. Improving his 3 point shot.

The defensive Embiid in most of the games in the Celtics series looked like a man possessed who came up clutch. He had zero conditioning and got in his head. He can overcome this. It certainly won't be easy, or maybe even likely, but we still have a chance with the right moves and the right coaching hire.

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Again, their offense in that game and in game 7 came to a complete standstill when it mattered, and again that's entirely a function of not having the right kind of player spearhead it. A new coach isn't going to magically produce that player or turn a current player into one.

This is the equivalent of an NFL team with a great run game and an above-average defense that gets beaten by one of the elite QBs in the league relatively early in the playoffs every year. It won't change until the team has an elite QB of its own, and that's a reliable three-level scorer who can elevate his game in the clutch.

[HardenGoat]

No it is crazy to think that, because as mentioned in another thread just now, none of those players meets the requirement for leading a team to a championship. Thinking Ty Lue is going to transform Embiid, Harden, or Maxey into what's needed to win an NBA championship is like thinking Andy Reid for example could transform Derrick Henry into the kind of player whose production can overcome that of an elite QB in the NFL. That isn't happening. The team simply doesn't have the kind of player necessary to spearhead a championship in today's NBA, and there is no coach on the planet who has the power to fix that.

I disagree with this. The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2. If they won that series they would have been around +230 (30%) to win the title. They had a real chance to win the title this year. Doc certaintly wasn't the problem but a top 5 coach probably wins that series.

Embiid isn't doomed for a career of losing. He needs to be put in a better position to succeed. That includes handling less of the load on offense. Getting in better shape. Playing fewer minutes in the regular season. Improving his 3 point shot.

The defensive Embiid in most of the games in the Celtics series looked like a man possessed who came up clutch. He had zero conditioning and got in his head. He can overcome this. It certainly won't be easy, or maybe even likely, but we still have a chance with the right moves and the right coaching hire.

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Again, their offense in that game and in game 7 came to a complete standstill when it mattered, and again that's entirely a function of not having the right kind of player spearhead it. A new coach isn't going to magically produce that player or turn a current player into one.

This is the equivalent of an NFL team with a great run game and an above-average defense that gets beaten by one of the elite QBs in the league relatively early in the playoffs every year. It won't change until the team has an elite QB of its own, and that's a reliable three-level scorer who can elevate his game in the clutch.

So what do you recommend the team and franchise do? Give up after reaching game 7 of round 2. Wasn't Embiid injured requiring 2 games to get his conditioning back?

[Ferry Avenue]

I disagree with this. The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2. If they won that series they would have been around +230 (30%) to win the title. They had a real chance to win the title this year. Doc certaintly wasn't the problem but a top 5 coach probably wins that series.

Embiid isn't doomed for a career of losing. He needs to be put in a better position to succeed. That includes handling less of the load on offense. Getting in better shape. Playing fewer minutes in the regular season. Improving his 3 point shot.

The defensive Embiid in most of the games in the Celtics series looked like a man possessed who came up clutch. He had zero conditioning and got in his head. He can overcome this. It certainly won't be easy, or maybe even likely, but we still have a chance with the right moves and the right coaching hire.

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Again, their offense in that game and in game 7 came to a complete standstill when it mattered, and again that's entirely a function of not having the right kind of player spearhead it. A new coach isn't going to magically produce that player or turn a current player into one.

This is the equivalent of an NFL team with a great run game and an above-average defense that gets beaten by one of the elite QBs in the league relatively early in the playoffs every year. It won't change until the team has an elite QB of its own, and that's a reliable three-level scorer who can elevate his game in the clutch.

So what do you recommend the team and franchise do? Give up after reaching game 7 of round 2. Wasn't Embiid injured requiring 2 games to get his conditioning back?

I recommend they trade Embiid and hope a team is stupid enough to part with an elite three-level scorer in exchange for him.

[blargh]

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Lol, that might be the single silliest stat I’ve seen in a RealGM post. The Celtics were outscored 2-0 in the final 30 seconds of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 96-0 in a full game.

[Ferry Avenue]

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Lol, that might be the single silliest stat I’ve seen in a RealGM post. The Celtics were outscored 2-0 in the final 30 seconds of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 96-0 in a full game.

Uh, before the Sixers were outscored 14-3, they were up 83-81, in a home game with an advantage in win probability.

Where was win probability when they scored the final 2 points?

[Embiid P]

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Lol, that might be the single silliest stat I’ve seen in a RealGM post. The Celtics were outscored 2-0 in the final 30 seconds of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 96-0 in a full game.

I noticed Ferry loves to cherry pick certain stats to fit his agenda without any sort of context. The finish to game 6 was awful no doubt but he seems to forget that the terrible start we had to that game put us in an early hole that we had to expend a lot of energy to get out of. By the time we did, our players were pretty much gassed which allowed Boston to go on their late 4th quarter run to end it. Thus there is very little margin for error against a team like Boston no matter what point of the game it is.

The fact that Mazzula decided to switch to a two big lineup proved to be a major disruption for our offense especially early on. That primarily falls on coaching for not adjusting to Mazzula's adjustment. Also not having someone to effectively guard Jaylen Brown early on could have very well made a difference.

[Ferry Avenue]

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Lol, that might be the single silliest stat I’ve seen in a RealGM post. The Celtics were outscored 2-0 in the final 30 seconds of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 96-0 in a full game.

I noticed Ferry loves to cherry pick certain stats to fit his agenda without any sort of context. The finish to game 6 was awful no doubt but he seems to forget that the terrible start we had to that game put us in an early hole that we had to expend a lot of energy to get out of. By the time we did, our players were pretty much gassed which allowed Boston to go on their late 4th quarter run to end it. Thus there is very little margin for error against a team like Boston no matter what point of the game it is.

The fact that Mazzula decided to switch to a two big lineup proved to be a major disruption for our offense especially early on. That primarily falls on coaching for not adjusting to Mazzula's adjustment. Also not having someone to effectively guard Jaylen Brown early on could have very well made a difference.

Agenda? LOL. The team fell off a cliff in both of its most recent games. Outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of game 6, and outscored by a 33-5 run that effectively ended game 7, when they were still in striking range in both games. It would take an agenda to believe otherwise, in the face of that objective reality.

[Embiid P]

Lol, that might be the single silliest stat I’ve seen in a RealGM post. The Celtics were outscored 2-0 in the final 30 seconds of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 96-0 in a full game.

I noticed Ferry loves to cherry pick certain stats to fit his agenda without any sort of context. The finish to game 6 was awful no doubt but he seems to forget that the terrible start we had to that game put us in an early hole that we had to expend a lot of energy to get out of. By the time we did, our players were pretty much gassed which allowed Boston to go on their late 4th quarter run to end it. Thus there is very little margin for error against a team like Boston no matter what point of the game it is.

The fact that Mazzula decided to switch to a two big lineup proved to be a major disruption for our offense especially early on. That primarily falls on coaching for not adjusting to Mazzula's adjustment. Also not having someone to effectively guard Jaylen Brown early on could have very well made a difference.

Agenda? LOL. The team fell off a cliff in both of its most recent games. Outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of game 6, and outscored by a 33-5 run that effectively ended game 7, when they were still in striking range in both games. It would take an agenda to believe otherwise, in the face of that objective reality.

So the terrible start we had had NOTHING to do with the end result? Come on now.

[Ferry Avenue]

I noticed Ferry loves to cherry pick certain stats to fit his agenda without any sort of context. The finish to game 6 was awful no doubt but he seems to forget that the terrible start we had to that game put us in an early hole that we had to expend a lot of energy to get out of. By the time we did, our players were pretty much gassed which allowed Boston to go on their late 4th quarter run to end it. Thus there is very little margin for error against a team like Boston no matter what point of the game it is.

The fact that Mazzula decided to switch to a two big lineup proved to be a major disruption for our offense especially early on. That primarily falls on coaching for not adjusting to Mazzula's adjustment. Also not having someone to effectively guard Jaylen Brown early on could have very well made a difference.

Agenda? LOL. The team fell off a cliff in both of its most recent games. Outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of game 6, and outscored by a 33-5 run that effectively ended game 7, when they were still in striking range in both games. It would take an agenda to believe otherwise, in the face of that objective reality.

So the terrible start we had had NOTHING to do with the end result? Come on now.

Often times the original context for statements gets lost on message boards. Here it is:

"The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2."

That isn't true. In the last six minutes of game 6 they were outscored 14-3, after being up 83-81, which in my opinion is symptomatic of what distinguishes this team from those that advance beyond the second round -- a three-level scorer who routinely elevates his game in the clutch.

When both teams attempt to rise to the occasion at the end of a close game, the teams that advance beyond the second round are doing it against the Sixers with the key ingredient for success in that endeavor, whereas the Sixers don't have it.

Again it's about like an NFL playoff game in which Patrick Mahomes is leading a 4th-quarter surge against a team with an average QB that's featuring its run game. Good luck.

[Mik317]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

[Ferry Avenue]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

Definitely two different sports, but there is a variable that drives the lion's share of the variance in winning in both of them -- in the NFL an elite QB, and in the NBA an elite three-level scorer.

[Embiid P]

Agenda? LOL. The team fell off a cliff in both of its most recent games. Outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of game 6, and outscored by a 33-5 run that effectively ended game 7, when they were still in striking range in both games. It would take an agenda to believe otherwise, in the face of that objective reality.

So the terrible start we had had NOTHING to do with the end result? Come on now.

Often times the original context for statements gets lost on message boards. Here it is:

"The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2."

That isn't true. In the last six minutes of game 6 they were outscored 14-3, after being up 83-81, which in my opinion is symptomatic of what distinguishes this team from those that advance beyond the second round -- a three-level scorer who routinely elevates his game in the clutch.

When both teams attempt to rise to the occasion at the end of a close game, the teams that advance beyond the second round are doing it against the Sixers with the key ingredient for success in that endeavor, whereas the Sixers don't have it.

Again it's about like an NFL playoff game in which Patrick Mahomes is leading a 4th-quarter surge against a team with an average QB that's featuring its run game. Good luck.

Sorry, but I look at an entire game and all facets not just the final minutes. Regardless of what sport it is, a bad first half requires practically flawless execution on both sides of the ball in the second. Thus, Mahomes can only make his comeback if the other side of the ball is able to stop the opposing offense from scoring.

[mjkvol]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

There aren't many more useless ways to occupy your time than debating a troll like Ferry. You and I know this, but some need to go through it once to understand the futility.

[Mik317]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

Definitely two different sports, but there is a variable that drives the lion's share of the variance in winning in both of them -- in the NFL an elite QB, and in the NBA an elite three-level scorer.

well guess what those guys are never on the market and we lack assets to get them if they were.

[Ferry Avenue]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

Definitely two different sports, but there is a variable that drives the lion's share of the variance in winning in both of them -- in the NFL an elite QB, and in the NBA an elite three-level scorer.

well guess what those guys are never on the market and we lack assets to get them if they were.

No we don't lack assets to get them, possibly. At this point you offer Embiid up for one and see if anyone bites. That's where this team's near future hinges. Harden, Maxey, and an elite three-level scorer wing can win a championship. Harden, Maxey, and Embiid cannot.

[Ferry Avenue]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

There aren't many more useless ways to occupy your time than debating a troll like Ferry. You and I know this, but some need to go through it once to understand the futility.

Says the guy who thought the team had "exposed" Boston and was on its way to a series romp after game 5. We indeed had a "debate" about that didn't we? LOL.

[mjkvol]

can you stop using NFL as an example lol

its too different sports

There aren't many more useless ways to occupy your time than debating a troll like Ferry. You and I know this, but some need to go through it once to understand the futility.

Says the guy who thought the team had "exposed" Boston and was on its way to a series romp after game 5. We indeed had a "debate" about that didn't we? LOL.

They had exposed them, which led to Mazzula going to the double big lineup, which Rivers didn't counter. But you believe it was simply a matter of lack of "dogness".

You're a troll who hammers away at the same point over and over like a mental patient all season long, and who conveniently only crawls out from under his rock after losses.

[rocketsfan100]

I hope for Sam Cassell and Maxey it’s him because Sam deserves a shot and he has helped mentor maxey so he would feature him more but I think it’ll be nurse

[mksp]

No it is crazy to think that, because as mentioned in another thread just now, none of those players meets the requirement for leading a team to a championship. Thinking Ty Lue is going to transform Embiid, Harden, or Maxey into what's needed to win an NBA championship is like thinking Andy Reid for example could transform Derrick Henry into the kind of player whose production can overcome that of an elite QB in the NFL. That isn't happening. The team simply doesn't have the kind of player necessary to spearhead a championship in today's NBA, and there is no coach on the planet who has the power to fix that.

I disagree with this. The Sixers almost went up by 5 multiple times with under 5 minutes to go in Game 6 of a series they were up 3-2. If they won that series they would have been around +230 (30%) to win the title. They had a real chance to win the title this year. Doc certaintly wasn't the problem but a top 5 coach probably wins that series.

Embiid isn't doomed for a career of losing. He needs to be put in a better position to succeed. That includes handling less of the load on offense. Getting in better shape. Playing fewer minutes in the regular season. Improving his 3 point shot.

The defensive Embiid in most of the games in the Celtics series looked like a man possessed who came up clutch. He had zero conditioning and got in his head. He can overcome this. It certainly won't be easy, or maybe even likely, but we still have a chance with the right moves and the right coaching hire.

The Sixers were outscored 14-3 in the final six minutes of that game. That extrapolates to a final score of 112-24 in a full game.

Again, their offense in that game and in game 7 came to a complete standstill when it mattered, and again that's entirely a function of not having the right kind of player spearhead it. A new coach isn't going to magically produce that player or turn a current player into one.

This is the equivalent of an NFL team with a great run game and an above-average defense that gets beaten by one of the elite QBs in the league relatively early in the playoffs every year. It won't change until the team has an elite QB of its own, and that's a reliable three-level scorer who can elevate his game in the clutch.

OH MY GOD THE SIXERS ARE THE DALLAS COWBOYS OF THE NBA