Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[Arsenal]

If we hold the line at a 2-year deal, I bet Harden demands a 1+1 instead. Gives him a chance to opt-out next summer when tons of teams should have cap room. I prefer straight 2 years but would accept 1+1 if push comes to shove.

Weirdly my biggest hope was / is that he would come back on a 1+1 team option. One more year to try stability which Joel pretty much has not had in his career and then back out if Harden is inconsistent or doesn't work in Nick Nurse world. Next year is the better FA year anyway so it gives us a shot and doesn't lock us into the declining asset that Harden will be if the we have another second round exit. Seems like a win win situation.

A team option would obviously be ideal but there's no way. If it's a 1+1 it will be a player option.

Now if it's a 3+1, then it could be a team option. But I doubt we give 3 guaranteed years.

[Arsenal]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

If that's the deal they owe us picks. Collins' value is in the toilet due to his play the last 2 years, he's disgruntled and wants out, and he has 3 years left, plus Bogs has 4 years left.

Maybe even more than one 1st rounder.

[Stanford]

I assumed that's the rumor going around and that's the basis for the discussions.

The only real rumour I can see is that he's available for Scoot Henderson. So Maxey would have to be involved by those parameters.

[FireMorey]

I assumed that's the rumor going around and that's the basis for the discussions.

The only real rumour I can see is that he's available for Scoot Henderson. So Maxey would have to be involved by those parameters.

I turned on WIP earlier in the day and they were talking about if they'd trade Tobias for Zion and then came on here and saw Zion talk so I assumed that talk came from somewhere. No idea where it came from though.

Irrespective of those discussions, I would have assumed that Maxey would have to be part of any deal, but those discussions going on today on the radio were just about if you'd trade Tobias for Zion. Maybe it didn't come from anywhere and it was just an out of left field discussion.

[ProcessDoctor]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

[GutUNC]

I assumed that's the rumor going around and that's the basis for the discussions.

The only real rumour I can see is that he's available for Scoot Henderson. So Maxey would have to be involved by those parameters.

I turned on WIP earlier in the day and they were talking about if they'd trade Tobias for Zion and then came on here and saw Zion talk so I assumed that talk came from somewhere. No idea where it came from though.

Irrespective of those discussions, I would have assumed that Maxey would have to be part of any deal, but those discussions going on today on the radio were just about if you'd trade Tobias for Zion. Maybe it didn't come from anywhere and it was just an out of left field discussion.

Now see, there's your first mistake.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/King
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

OK, that sounds like a pretty rad offseason, but my question is do we still have the MLE if Harden comes back? I thought we only had it if he left.

[ProcessDoctor]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/King
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

OK, that sounds like a pretty rad offseason, but my question is do we still have the MLE if Harden comes back? I thought we only had it if he left.

Yes we would have the taxpayer MLE, which starts at about $7 mil.

Edit: we're actually kinda close, so it might depend on what Harden's starting salary is and what we do with McDaniels/Niang/Reed. The trade above we save $1.5 mil. We might be eligible for the full MLE when it all shakes out. Probably means we pick 2/3 of McDaniels/Niang/Reed to stay.

[mjkvol]

The only real rumour I can see is that he's available for Scoot Henderson. So Maxey would have to be involved by those parameters.

I turned on WIP earlier in the day and they were talking about if they'd trade Tobias for Zion and then came on here and saw Zion talk so I assumed that talk came from somewhere. No idea where it came from though.

Irrespective of those discussions, I would have assumed that Maxey would have to be part of any deal, but those discussions going on today on the radio were just about if you'd trade Tobias for Zion. Maybe it didn't come from anywhere and it was just an out of left field discussion.

Now see, there's your first mistake.

You beat me to it.

[FlyingArrow]

Here's what I'd offer Harden. Let him take his pick:

2 years (1+1) max: 45m/49m = 94m
3 years (2+1) @ ~15m beyond the 2 year max: 40m/37m/33m = 110m
4 years (3+1) @ ~25m beyond the 2 year max: 34m/31m/29m/26m = 120m

All 3 with a player option. Those last 2 alternatives are declining salaries for Harden's benefit (maximizing his pay if he opts out).

[Negrodamus]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

Don’t think they want more guys to take the ball out of Harden’s hands. They’d rather have a 6’6 shooter for Harden to use to convert assists. Collins and Bogdanovic are definitely Morey pandering to Harden moves.

[Jailblazers7]

I get that he’s a valuable expiring contract but seeing this board demand multiple firsts for Tobias Harris is hilarious after the way we’ve relentless sh*t on him for years.

[ProcessDoctor]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

Don’t think they want more guys to take the ball out of Harden’s hands. They’d rather have a 6’6 shooter for Harden to use to convert assists. Collins and Bogdanovic are definitely Morey pandering to Harden moves.

Sadness if true. I thought it was evident last RS and POs that we needed another playmaker. Bogdan is empty calories.

[76ciology]

Im only trading Tobias to get a star or borderline star, someone worth handicapping me to sign mere minimum players in the future.

I still think Tucker should be the one traded, because until he’s here the problem persists. There could always be one player roaming around sending help defense.

I’d go after Hunter and Collins, and I see guys here are picking up on this. Both guys are negative players with negative contracts. Number wise and Salary wise, Tobias and Tucker are better than both these guys, so I’d like to ask for draft compensation in return.

The ideal situation for me is to trade Tucker and fillers ($13M expiring of House, Harrell and Kork) for John Collins. Hawks would do that deal. At the very worst, we can just hand them Jordan Springer.

I dont think you can leave anyone with..

Maxey
Harden
Tobias
Collins
Biid

While you get cap flexibility for next season.

[Skates]

No other team is giving Harden the max unless it is Houston which sounds more and more unlikely, so no reason the Sixers should give the max either. He will be well paid, no doubt, but less than max and farther less the longer the guarantee. Keeping him on a tradable contract creates an asset to play and/or move, which gives flexibility if Harden and Nurse don’t gel, Embiid gets injured or Harden just gets into one of his checked out moods. There is room for a good solution for both team and player here, including player options in years two or three. Any fourth year should be a partial guarantee at best.

[MVP1992]

I get that he’s a valuable expiring contract but seeing this board demand multiple firsts for Tobias Harris is hilarious after the way we’ve relentless sh*t on him for years.

Can't polish a turd but you can roll him in glitter

[Sportfan73]

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/King
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

OK, that sounds like a pretty rad offseason, but my question is do we still have the MLE if Harden comes back? I thought we only had it if he left.

Yes we would have the taxpayer MLE, which starts at about $7 mil.

Edit: we're actually kinda close, so it might depend on what Harden's starting salary is and what we do with McDaniels/Niang/Reed. The trade above we save $1.5 mil. We might be eligible for the full MLE when it all shakes out. Probably means we pick 2/3 of McDaniels/Niang/Reed to stay.

To use the full MLE (11m) we have to stay under 162 mil. We are at 159 just with harden at 35. We’d have to shave 9m and resign none of our guys just to use it. The tax payer MLE we have to stay under 179 including it (7m)

[Jhawk03]

Harden is gonna get 3 with a 4th PO, all eyes are on Tobias now.

That's what a mostly washed GM would do. 2+1 is an average GM. A straight 2 year deal is what good GM's would give.

A 2 year max is better than 2+1 at 40 which would all be better than a 3+1 even at 35.

That being said, where is Harden going to get more money and a better chance to win? 2-80 take it or leave it.

Harden should then be trade bait next summer after signing that unless they make the Finals.

I can't reply to all on this, I'm just a messenger.

The idea is to tie Harden to Embiid contract wise or else.

Consider LeBron and AD, or Kawhi and PG for ex

[Negrodamus]

I think we'll know how much Morey/Nurse values Springer by the end of the offseason if Melton is still on the team. He's arguably one of the more valuable trade pieces on our team: Cheap, young, elite defensively, high volume three point shooter. Him and Tobi packaged together should yield a very quality piece if the stars align.

[Negrodamus]

ATL out: Collins, #15
ATL in: DFS, Melton, #22

BKN out: Dinwiddie, DFS, #22
BKN in: Harris, #15

PHI out: Harris, Melton
PHI in: Dinwiddie, Collins


Harden/Dinwiddie/McClung
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
(MLE)/Tucker/House
Collins/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


With the MLE being...Dillon Brooks

Don’t think they want more guys to take the ball out of Harden’s hands. They’d rather have a 6’6 shooter for Harden to use to convert assists. Collins and Bogdanovic are definitely Morey pandering to Harden moves.

Sadness if true. I thought it was evident last RS and POs that we needed another playmaker. Bogdan is empty calories.

Yea, but if you want to pull that off, then we need to trade Harden for another star. Harden and Embiid demand high usage, so adding someone on ball is just going to waste their ability. I know everyone has their feelings about Tobi, but his offensive value is having the ball in his hands and creating for himself/others. Obviously he's not good enough to be the guy, but he has shown in past Ben Simmons offenses that he's a better player when doing things himself.

If we're running it back, then we need more Maxeys who can either let it fly or kill the defense on the close out.