Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[FireMorey]

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Don't know if the Sixers were interested or not but it seems like it was the Bucks or mid level teams. Both sides probably had no interest in one another.

[Murray_17]

I mean, Gary Trent can shot but he's bad on defense for a guy that long and atrocious on ball.

Never saw the appeal to be honest, we already have enough shooting, the focus should be on rebounding and perimeter defense at this point.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I like Ohshae Brissett a lot. Athletic rim runner /junk yard dog type player. Got enforcer vibes .

[LloydFree]

I wanted Trent Jr because I think he's a legit upgrade to what we have. Lonnie Walker though? I think Lowry and Gordon are better, and would rather the rook get a shot at the leftover minutes. I just don't really see his utility here.

I wouldn't get mad about it since, well, it's a minimum. I'd just rather look elsewhere.

I don't think Kyle Lowry is better than Lonnie Walker, at this point. Lowry's value is understanding Situations in close games and entry passes. Nothing more.

[Negrodamus]

I wouldn’t give Martin more than 8 mpg next year.

KJ Martin averaged over 20 minutes per game last season, in games after late January.

Which coincides perfectly with when Embiid went down. I don’t think he really had a hand in salvaging the season. He was just a warm body to throw out there who could land some big dunks from time to time.

[FlyingArrow]

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Don't know if the Sixers were interested or not but it seems like it was the Bucks or mid level teams. Both sides probably had no interest in one another.

I guess he already made "lifetime" money. $55m earned in his career. But giving up the chance to double your salary and lock in multiple years is pretty bold. Leaving $6m+ on the table.

[76ciology]

Regarding KJ Martin, we'll have to wait and see how he performs. Even if we plan to make him a starter, his performance will still ultimately determine his role.

It seems he isn't just a filler in the Harden trade, considering the playing time he's received and the decision not to allocate those minutes to others. His salary is comparable to players like Kelly Oubre or Caleb Martin, rather than a ballooned $16M contract. I've seen him shoot in practice, and based on the small sample size, he appears to be a reliable corner three shooter. Teams dont allow or players usually dont have that high of a 3pt attempt rate if the player can’t shoot. He doesn't need a significant improvement to become as good of a shooter as Kelly Oubre.

Overall, I view KJ Martin as a power forward version of Oubre.

P.S. Rico Hines knew him since he is 15, so he’d be the best person to evaluate him.

[M2J]

I mean, Gary Trent can shot but he's bad on defense for a guy that long and atrocious on ball.

Never saw the appeal to be honest, we already have enough shooting, the focus should be on rebounding and perimeter defense at this point.

Trent Jr. has shown flashes of lockdown defense vs quality players. When he was on actual playoff teams you saw it more often like that year they lost to Philly in 6. I think he focused too much on his offense thinking it would get him another big pay day. Bucks for a steal and exactly what they needed. A 25 year old actual shooter that's going to give them a prove it year on defense like Oubre needed to last year after averaging a career high the year before.

As for mid level deals options, that had to be the 5 million dollar possibility from the Lakers if they cleared room to free it up. Don't think he was turning down any higher options. Just posturing talk like Oubre, who definitely didn't get any deals that would've blown him away.... Despite what he says

[sixers hoops]

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Don't know if the Sixers were interested or not but it seems like it was the Bucks or mid level teams. Both sides probably had no interest in one another.

I guess he already made "lifetime" money. $55m earned in his career. But giving up the chance to double your salary and lock in multiple years is pretty bold. Leaving $6m+ on the table.

It’s a gamble, but if he signs a larger value deal next offseason, then his decision will age well. If I could lock in another $20-$30 million in guaranteed dollars, I would have gone that direction. He only has so many opportunities to secure this type of money, so it would be tough for me to pass up.

[Black Mage]

I liked Trent for us; but preferred Walker because he offers a more dynamic option as a slasher/ballhandler which is not a strength for Trent. I'm really hoping we land Walker to give us some more juice from the bench.

[sixers hoops]

Regarding KJ Martin, we'll have to wait and see how he performs. Even if we plan to make him a starter, his performance will still ultimately determine his role.

It seems he isn't just a filler in the Harden trade, considering the playing time he's received and the decision not to allocate those minutes to others. His salary is comparable to players like Kelly Oubre or Caleb Martin, rather than a ballooned $16M contract. I've seen him shoot in practice, and based on the small sample size, he appears to be a reliable corner three shooter. Teams dont allow or players usually dont have that high of a 3pt attempt rate if the player can’t shoot. He doesn't need a significant improvement to become as good of a shooter as Kelly Oubre.

Overall, I view KJ Martin as a power forward version of Oubre.

P.S. Rico Hines knew him since he is 15, so he’d be the best person to evaluate him.

I can’t imagine he has any chance at being a starter. You mention his salary almost as a supporting point that he is earning a similar salary to Oubre and Martin, and is thus valued as such. KJ Martin received that salary as it benefits the Sixers procedurally. His dad even acknowledged this recently. It’s not a secret to anybody why he received this contract and it’s certainly not indicative of any on-court value the Sixers see in him. You’re making a case that even his own father didn’t try to make.

Ultimately, people are worried that none of our best players have the size to guard power forwards, but somehow KJ completes the puzzle because he is 6’6, 215? He is barely bigger than Caleb Martin, who is actually good and you don’t need any mental gymnastics to make a case for him as a starter. He shot 30% from three last year, so those threes you saw him hit in practice prob aren’t the best indicator of his ability. I don’t know what evidence we have to call him a reliable three point shooter. I watched Ben hit several threes in pregame warmups. And Oubre isn’t a very good outside shooter, so if KJ needs improvement to get to Oubre level, that is very telling.

And if we want to use his minutes last year to determine that he is more than a throw-in in a trade, let’s examine how Nurse used him in the playoffs to determine how much the Sixers value him on the court. He didn’t play in the playoffs. He seems like a nice kid and I hope he plays well for us, but everything you said was mostly a figment of your imagination. He didn’t get paid the contract on merit. He has never shown to be a reliable three point shooter. The Sixers didn’t use him like a player they really liked. He mostly got minutes when we were desperate. If we start a 6’6, 215 power forward, who has VERY LIMITED offensive skill and isn’t special on the defensive end, then Morey miscalculated the versatility of his guys who are actually good at basketball. I think he could earn some minutes off the bench, but him as a starter makes no sense to me.

[FlyingArrow]

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Don't know if the Sixers were interested or not but it seems like it was the Bucks or mid level teams. Both sides probably had no interest in one another.

I guess he already made "lifetime" money. $55m earned in his career. But giving up the chance to double your salary and lock in multiple years is pretty bold. Leaving $6m+ on the table.

It’s a gamble, but if he signs a larger value deal next offseason, then his decision will age well. If I could lock in another $20-$30 million in guaranteed dollars, I would have gone that direction. He only has so many opportunities to secure this type of money, so it would be tough for me to pass up.

He could have signed a deal with a player option in year two, so he could have signed a new deal next summer either way. The biggest risk is injury.

[blargh]

He shot 30% from three last year, so those threes you saw him hit in practice prob aren’t the best indicator of his ability. I don’t know what evidence we have to call him a reliable three point shooter. I watched Ben hit several threes in pregame warmups. And Oubre isn’t a very good outside shooter, so if KJ needs improvement to get to Oubre level, that is very telling.

KJ shot 35%+ from 3 his first two years in the league, when he had more regular minutes. On low volume, but not negligible volume. For whatever reason, his 3p% has declined every year since, but there is some evidence to say that he could develop into someone who could space the floor.

[ankle420breaker]

Just give me two of Hayward, Achiuwa, Dinwiddie, Walker, Morris, THT, Fultz and we're set.

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[ProcessDoctor]

Man it’s slow. Dog days of summer coming into effect.

[eyeatoma]

Do we feel like it's code red with Embiid?

Hoping its his usual slow start, but I can't shake the feeling that his knee isn't right. Don't know what to think.

[Stanford]

Do we feel like it's code red with Embiid?

Hoping its his usual slow start, but I can't shake the feeling that his knee isn't right. Don't know what to think.

I was excited for the season a week ago. This Team USA stuff has bummed me out.

[FireMorey]

If his knee was an issue you'd assume he wouldn't be playing. I'm sure it's fine.

[Foshan]

Just give me two of Hayward, Achiuwa, Dinwiddie, Walker, Morris, THT, Fultz and we're set.

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Agreed with this. I would lean towards whoever is the best two rebounding guys at their positions and run with that, but really i think any 2 of these would be ideal.

[Foshan]

Do we feel like it's code red with Embiid?

Hoping its his usual slow start, but I can't shake the feeling that his knee isn't right. Don't know what to think.

I feel like Embiid generally starts slow coming out of summer, which drives me crazy, but i'm not too worried yet.