2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[the_process]

1. Trade up for Harper
2. Select Tre Johnson at 3
3. Select Ace Bailey at 3
4. Select Kon at 3

1)Trade down (possibly mutliple times) for the best package you can get
2)Trade up for Harper
3)Draft Tre at 3

[the_process]

NOP is taking George for Murphy for a move from 3 to 7. Otherwise, they can stand pat and enjoy Kon at #7.

To be fair, the Pels can dump CJ too.

[mjkvol]

NOP is taking George for Murphy for a move from 3 to 7. Otherwise, they can stand pat and enjoy Kon at #7.

I'd be very happy to get Kon at #7, unlikely as it is, but I completely agree with no George, no deal.

[FireMorey]

I think dumping PG's contract is an overrated thing. If Embiid somehow returns to MVP form then he'll be a useful piece on a championship team. Overpaid, but useful. If Embiid is washed, then you're screwed with your cap anyway and getting rid of PG isn't really going to change much so you might as well keep him.

[Mik317]

not to mention gms don't really like to move off their big moves that quickly....for better or for worse.

[Jailblazers7]

It’s odd that I’m more optimistic about Ace as a defender than a scorer. Wouldn’t have guessed that at the start of the draft process.

[Iverson Armband]

I doubt we get VJ Ibaka, not a Morey´s pick at all. In my opinion, it will be Ace, Tre or trade up to get Harper. Edgecombe is just bait so we get something of Charlote.

Agreed. He’s being talked about so heavily right now because it was leaked we worked him out, which was such an obvious smokescreen that it’s almost not a smokescreen at all.

Is it really though? Maxey flew in specifically to meet him

If you’re gonna do something, then you better do it right.

[KramerDSP]

I doubt we get VJ Ibaka, not a Morey´s pick at all. In my opinion, it will be Ace, Tre or trade up to get Harper. Edgecombe is just bait so we get something of Charlote.

Agreed. He’s being talked about so heavily right now because it was leaked we worked him out, which was such an obvious smokescreen that it’s almost not a smokescreen at all.

Is it really though? Maxey flew in specifically to meet him

We are banking on one or more of Charlotte/Utah/Washington/New Orleans wondering the exact same thing.

[Black Mage]

Noa Essengue measurements:

6'10" (no shoes), 7'0.75" wingspan, 9'1.75" standing reach.

About what was expected. He was 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach a year ago. These measurements make more sense.

Considering how young he is, he'll probably add another inch or so to end up 7'2" wingspan and 9'3" reach.

Of all the things you absolutely cannot "project" physical growth in height and wingspan is probably number one.

[Arsenal]

Noa Essengue measurements:

6'10" (no shoes), 7'0.75" wingspan, 9'1.75" standing reach.

About what was expected. He was 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach a year ago. These measurements make more sense.

Considering how young he is, he'll probably add another inch or so to end up 7'2" wingspan and 9'3" reach.

Of all the things you absolutely cannot "project" physical growth in height and wingspan is probably number one.

Sure you can. If a player is super young like Essengue then there's a decent chance he continues to grow. If he's older like VJ or Kon or Queen then not so much.

[okboomer]

I looked up Jimmy's stats from college, he definitely would have been drafted much higher if he 5-10 years younger. His freshman year he has 112 FTA and 107 field goal attempts. He got to the line nearly 500 times the next two seasons.

[Arsenal]

Noa's teammate Ben Saraf's measurements now in. 6'7" in shoes with a 6'9" wingspan. Would love to grab him if we get a late 1st in a trade down.

Read on Twitter

[Arsenal]

Hugo Gonzalez also coming in at a good wing size. Interesting target with our 2nd rounder.

Read on Twitter

[Black Mage]

Watching the Vecenie interview.

He likes Kon b/c there's fewer holes, closer to his final form which works better for Philly win now. He's at bottom 7-8% of NBA athletes. Then overstates his standing reach. He thinks Kon can play defense in the playoffs... oh man have we jumped the shark. Keeps calling him a shooter without mentioning the obvious off the dribble issues. Plays with great strength and low center of gravity which Sam relies on a lot to think Kon wi'll leverage it to offset everything else he's deficient in.

He thinks the Drummond deal is a disaster hanging around our necks... an expiring $5 mil contract is our disaster huh.

Ace: Feels Ace will be a starting player for many years, has higher floor than folks give him credit for but also lower ceiling than people expect.

He wouldn't take him if Sixers b/c he's on a different timeline from Sixers who are trying to win right now (while also admitted he has no idea if Joel will be healthy). Philly is a good spot for him. He legitimately looks up to PG13 specifically and PG13 would be a good mentor to help him develop.

Feels Ace needs to first work on playing with "bend" then handle to unlock getting to rim. Ace has advanced bag of moves/dribble moves to get to his midrange jumper. Feels he's slow even on C&S before putting it up. Athletically he is explosive, but needs to work on footwork to harness it at rim.

VJ: Issue is ball skills. C&S he is very good, but bad off-dribble (huh so he does breakdown shooting between C&S and off-dribble but just not when it comes to Kon b/c well ya don't want to talk about Kon's off-dribble stats). Big issue is his left hand handling and scoring with his left. High pressure defensive teams blitzed his right and he struggled going back left. Stepped up when Baylor got rid of the useless guard next to him (VJ's version of Rutgers' Jeremiah Williams). Intangibles are off the charts.

Biggest HOLY SH** moment - he downs VJ for his pull up shot saying he went something like 3-21 from 3; confusing Kon's garbage pull up jumper numbers for VJ. Just comical after how much he waxed poetic about Kon being an amazing shooter. None of the guys corrected him.

I didn't think someone could make Seth Greenberg look like the more competent evaluator, but congrats to Sam Vecenie he manged to do it.

[okboomer]

Watching the Vecenie interview.

He likes Kon b/c there's fewer holes, closer to his final form which works better for Philly win now. He's at bottom 7-8% of NBA athletes. Then overstates his standing reach. He thinks Kon can play defense in the playoffs... oh man have we jumped the shark. Keeps calling him a shooter without mentioning the obvious off the dribble issues. Plays with great strength and low center of gravity which he relies on a lot to think he'll leverage it to offset everything else he's deficient in.

He thinks the Drummond deal is a disaster hanging around our necks... an expiring $5 mil contract is our disaster huh.

Ace: Feels Ace will be a starting player for many years, has higher floor than folks give him credit for but also lower ceiling than people expect.

He wouldn't take him if Sixers b/c he's on a different timeline from Sixers who are trying to win right now (while also admitted he has no idea if Joel will be healthy). Philly is a good spot for him. He legitimately looks up to PG13 specifically and PG13 would be a good mentor to help him develop.

Feels Ace needs to first work on playing with "bend" then handle to unlock getting to rim. Ace has advanced bag of moves/dribble moves to get to his midrange jumper. Feels he's slow even on C&S before putting it up. Athletically he is explosive, but needs to work on footwork to harness it at rim.

VJ: Issue is ball skills. C&S he is very good, but bad off-dribble (huh so he does breakdown shooting between C&S and off-dribble but just not when it comes to Kon b/c well ya don't want to talk about Kon's off-dribble stats). Big issue is his left hand handling and scoring with his left. High pressure defensive teams blitzed his right and he struggled going back left. Stepped up when Baylor got rid of the useless guard next to him (VJ's version of Rutgers' Jeremiah Williams). Intangibles are off the charts.

Biggest HOLY SH** moment - he downs VJ for his pull up shot saying he went something like 3-21 from 3; confusing Kon's garbage pull up jumper numbers for VJ. Just comical after how much he waxed poetic about Kon being an amazing shooter. None of the guys corrected him.

I didn't think someone could make Seth Greenberg look like the more competent evaluator, but congrats to Sam Vecenie he manged to do it.

VJ's intangibles and eyepopping athleticism is why Im so high on him. Whatever his ceiling may be (and that definitely varies), I feel he will reach it. Though in regard to Kon, if it was a certainty that he could be a neutral defender, I think he should be the pick.

[Black Mage]

Watching the Vecenie interview.

He likes Kon b/c there's fewer holes, closer to his final form which works better for Philly win now. He's at bottom 7-8% of NBA athletes. Then overstates his standing reach. He thinks Kon can play defense in the playoffs... oh man have we jumped the shark. Keeps calling him a shooter without mentioning the obvious off the dribble issues. Plays with great strength and low center of gravity which he relies on a lot to think he'll leverage it to offset everything else he's deficient in.

He thinks the Drummond deal is a disaster hanging around our necks... an expiring $5 mil contract is our disaster huh.

Ace: Feels Ace will be a starting player for many years, has higher floor than folks give him credit for but also lower ceiling than people expect.

He wouldn't take him if Sixers b/c he's on a different timeline from Sixers who are trying to win right now (while also admitted he has no idea if Joel will be healthy). Philly is a good spot for him. He legitimately looks up to PG13 specifically and PG13 would be a good mentor to help him develop.

Feels Ace needs to first work on playing with "bend" then handle to unlock getting to rim. Ace has advanced bag of moves/dribble moves to get to his midrange jumper. Feels he's slow even on C&S before putting it up. Athletically he is explosive, but needs to work on footwork to harness it at rim.

VJ: Issue is ball skills. C&S he is very good, but bad off-dribble (huh so he does breakdown shooting between C&S and off-dribble but just not when it comes to Kon b/c well ya don't want to talk about Kon's off-dribble stats). Big issue is his left hand handling and scoring with his left. High pressure defensive teams blitzed his right and he struggled going back left. Stepped up when Baylor got rid of the useless guard next to him (VJ's version of Rutgers' Jeremiah Williams). Intangibles are off the charts.

Biggest HOLY SH** moment - he downs VJ for his pull up shot saying he went something like 3-21 from 3; confusing Kon's garbage pull up jumper numbers for VJ. Just comical after how much he waxed poetic about Kon being an amazing shooter. None of the guys corrected him.

I didn't think someone could make Seth Greenberg look like the more competent evaluator, but congrats to Sam Vecenie he manged to do it.

VJ's intangibles and eyepopping athleticism is why Im so high on him. Whatever his ceiling may be (and that definitely varies), I feel he will reach it. Though in regard to Kon, if it was a certainty that he could be a neutral defender, I think he should be the pick.

Having a strong trunk and holding your ground is more important to a wing or a big. Out on the perimeter he'll get hunted by speedy guards who can change direction or get wiped out from screens because he doesn't have the wingspan to help him out as a ballhandler tries to speed around him.

[Iverson Armband]

Again, watching these Finals I come away thinking the Sixers need their own SGA or Haliburton more than a Holiday, White, Mathurin, Nembhard type. Need a dynamic lead guard with playmaking ability and that ain’t VJ. Maxey can be our J-Dub. I see Grimes as a Nembhard type.

[Mik317]

Again, watching these Finals I come away thinking the Sixers need their own SGA or Haliburton more than a Holiday, White, Mathurin, Nembhard type. Need a dynamic lead guard with playmaking ability and that ain’t VJ. Maxey can be our J-Dub. I see Grimes as a Nembhard type.

yeah team lacks a real playmaker set up guy...hell OKC is missing one right now as Shai creates mainly for himself

[okboomer]

Again, watching these Finals I come away thinking the Sixers need their own SGA or Haliburton more than a Holiday, White, Mathurin, Nembhard type. Need a dynamic lead guard with playmaking ability and that ain’t VJ. Maxey can be our J-Dub. I see Grimes as a Nembhard type.

So you trade down and ideally Fears is there. Cause Ace, Tre, or Kon arent "lead guards" either. Though if you draft Fears you have to trade one of McCain or Maxey. And remember, the light years Warriors and Spurs could have drafted Haliburton. So these draft evaluations are always tricky.

[Iverson Armband]

Again, watching these Finals I come away thinking the Sixers need their own SGA or Haliburton more than a Holiday, White, Mathurin, Nembhard type. Need a dynamic lead guard with playmaking ability and that ain’t VJ. Maxey can be our J-Dub. I see Grimes as a Nembhard type.

So you trade down and ideally Fears is there. Cause Ace, Tre, or Kon arent "lead guards" either. Though if you draft Fears you have to trade one of McCain or Maxey. And remember, the light years Warriors and Spurs could have drafted Haliburton. So these draft evaluations are always tricky.

I disagree that Tre can’t be a lead guard. I’m also pro trading up for Harper.

I like Fears a lot but he can’t shoot a lick. I’m done with those types.