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Post#81 » by Welfare Fraud » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:19 am

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but...
dond wrote:Ask good as Igoudala is ... there is something about him that bothers me. He seems to act like he is a super-star and that everyone should be in awe of what he does. In other words, I think he is full of himself. I might be totally wrong about him, because all I am going by is his on-court demeaner and interviews ... I hope I am. But if I am right, I would just as soon cut him loose as soon as possible.

I agree, dond.
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He (or his agent) put a lot of pressure on himself by not signing the contract the Sixers offered. He's trying to prove he's worth an amount that he isn't worth, that has to be frustrating.

He expected to play and put up numbers like a legit max (or close) contract player, which he isn't. I'd go so far to say he's embarrassed about the whole contract situation, and some people don't respond well to embarrassment. This is what we're seeing.

I think he's got his mind on his money and his money on his mind 24/7

Perception isn't reality, and I'm no psychologist but that's how I see it... but I'm a cynical mofo that thinks $$$ is the root of everything.
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Post#82 » by 76ers76ers » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:20 am

Sendem you absoluletly make no sense. I agree with Sixerscan
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Post#83 » by dbodner » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:32 am

Yes, Iguodala did say that about green. And it's probably true too. You mean to tell me that shorter guys generally have higher verticals than taller guys? I'm shocked. I expected to see Tim Ducan with a higher vertical than Louis Williams.

Of course little guys have higher verticals. That's true universally. Acie Law had a higher vertical than Kevin Durant. That's pretty meaningless. Vertical is taken in context with length to judge athleticism.

The whole point is how high the apex of your body is, right? You don't get bonus's for being Nate Robinson, do you? Is a rebound worth an extra possession when you're small?
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Post#84 » by SpaceJam » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:41 am

Trade your best player for rebuilding the team for another 3 years...why was Iverson traded again?
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Post#85 » by freshie2 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:55 am

Iverson was traded to rebuild. Iguodala is the main piece around which the team will be built at this time. Cap space is being created to add another major piece.

The Iguodala isn't athletic, can't dunk, etc is just silly posting...last year there was one poster who did this with Dalembert...very similar types of comments and confidence in their opinions. Just read it, laugh, and move on...best way to handle it. I don't think anyone proclaimed Iguodala as the next Jordan...and I still think he's potentially a 22+/6/6 player. He's had a rough few games, but I believe is still under 24 and I'm not sure that's so uncommon for a young player...but that's just my opinion.

The idea of trading Iguodala came up a few weeks ago...nobody is untouchable, but if you trade him, bring back a young big and another young player with potential.
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Post#86 » by Mik317 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:21 am

when did being able to dunk on people make you a better player????
oh wait it's SendEm..........move on guys he hates every player in the NBA.
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Post#87 » by Sixersftw » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:37 am

Knux-Future wrote:move on guys he hates every player in the NBA.


he loves brandon roy.
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Post#88 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:38 am

Brandon Roy's not a player. He's a movement.
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Post#89 » by SendEm » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:56 am

Sixerscan wrote:Brandon Roy's not a player. He's a movement.


Indeed... :clap:
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Post#90 » by Cru Thik » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:10 am

Sixerscan wrote:Brandon Roy's not a player. He's a movement.


why feed the plague? :rofl:
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Post#91 » by ahwi_quacoe » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:45 am

Iguodala- Luke Walton with athleticism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Worth Ten million not a franchise player , not a good teammate, delusional...... oh but very athletic , dunks very well on the fast break and gets some exciting highlights. Looked great when he had good games when AI and CWebb were here, looked like a potential piece to the puzzle, but now he' supposed to be the Franchise go to guy? Just because somebody gave Kevin Martin 10 mill, overpaid for Ben wallace, and Jason Richardson doesn't mean we have to do the same . Look at the Detroit Pistons and San Antonio Spurs. Franchise players are not created just because you want them o become franchise players. They don't come along all the time .oiu have to find the right guy and really build around them with Financially responsible contracts. Don't just sign people to big deals because you want them to become go-to guys. Keep the Cap space and wait till someone worthwhile is available.
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Post#92 » by joey-A » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:55 am

And to think, if Ainge wouldn't have been so stupid, he could have had Roy WITH KG-Allen-Pierce. :-)
Hell, they might have NO losses if that were the case right now.
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Post#93 » by 76erinSJ » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:20 am

Sendem is Ricky reincarnated. Just ignore him. The more we argue wit him the more he gets his jollys.
Andre Miller is a bad 3pt shooter.
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Post#94 » by Mik317 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:24 am

you guys also should note that San Antonio had DRob and then got lucky and got TIMMAY and then got lucky late in the drafts with Manu and TP.......so if you want to build with incredable luck, go with it.

Iggy isn't a Number one..WE GET IT! QUIT FRIKKEN SAYIN IT IN EVERY IGGY TOPIC,


however you scouting geniouses,

Iggy is a great number two guy...NOT SENDEM HE"S NOT YOUR WET DREAM SCOTTIE PIPPEN but place Iggy with a guy who doesn't suck, or as Sendem would say a true number one who can dunk on people, and lead us the CHIPS and IS SUCH a leader, we would be set. If we would trade away a 23 year old who is averaging 19, 5 and 5 (roughly, you math natzi's) just because he can lead this **** team to the playoffs then you guys are the biggest bunch of Idiots I've ever seen.

you dudes post **** like " He's LukeWalton w/ hops" WTF is that ****? I understand that us Philly fans are impatient but YOU guys are rediculous. I can see us drafting a guy like Gordan or Mayo and soon as he has a bad game( or stretch) or look frustrated you'll post crap like " OH NOEZ HE"S NOT A TRUE NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!! LET ME COMPARE HIM TO JORADN!OH NO HE DOES"NT PLAY LIKE MJ!!! TRADE HIS AZZ NOAW!

Iggy isn't perfect. I hate his crappy go to move ( which is drible, dribble, fadeaway) and the fact that he doesn't drive to the rim BUT I'm not stupid enough to want him traded. WE SUCK GUYS WE SUCK. Iggy isn't Lebron. nore should a guy drafted Ninth for his defense and ability to be a number 2 to Iverson be expexted to be, This **** happened when Billy decided to get ole' no knees and pissing of A.I. into leaving.

I don't blame Iggy for being pissed. He hasn't been put into position to win or look good this team has no shooters and no presence down low. Lebron has shooter and bettter bigs than we have. Look at Wade this year he has carp for teammates and OH crap they have a worse record than we do?????? Even superstars need help, MJ did!! Shaq did!! Kobe was scoring 60 and frikken losing.......TEAMATES SON! they are needed. Get it trought you damn skulls and see that the fact that Iggy is doing what he's doing with the crap that he has is pretty damn good.

But nooooooooooooo.........let's trade him and then berate our next star for not being a true number one.........like the great scouts you are you are.
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Post#95 » by 76erinSJ » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:29 am

Thanku!
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Post#96 » by tk76 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:30 am

ahwi_quacoe wrote: Look at the Detroit Pistons and San Antonio Spurs. Franchise players are not created just because you want them o become franchise players.


Those teams are 11 and 16M over the cap respectively. They got good by drafting and trading for talent- not by being cap savvy. We are devoid of top line talent and have very few players who are above average. No one says sign anyone on thsi team to a 12M contract, but there is very little addition by subtractions when your overall talent level is so bad.

We need a few more drafts and years for our young players to develop- and hopefully they will. Clearing 30M of cap space by getting rid of Dala is no shortcut to turning a team with this many holes into a winner- signing a bunch of free agents would just make us older, and if one is to replace Iguodala- not likely better.

Saying you can still be bad with even smaller contracts is not much of an argument. You use free agency to sign the one player who puts you over the top, or plug a hole with a MLE player. You don't use it to build a contender from scratch.
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Post#97 » by 76erinSJ » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:34 am

Imagine if we didnt have Iggy? This team would have Carney and Green starting and we would be challenging the old sixers for the worst record ever. We all know that Iggy isnt a number 1 option. Hes a number 2 and stop getting mad at us for hoping our best player becomes better. Thats what true fans hope.
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Post#98 » by SendEm » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:45 am

The concept of Iggy being a #2 will NEVER sit well with me. I believe that He couldn't replace scottie pippen and win a CHIP (yes I said CHIP yet again) with Jordan and he couldn't replace Kobe and/or D. Wade and win a Chip with Shaq. So Who would need to be the #1 to Iggy's #2? Bill Russel? Wilt? He's a #3-4. If any team construction is undertaken with the thought in mind of Iggy being the #2 now and of the future will result in our Sixers being stankin arse gahbadge. We need atleast two players better than Iggy on this team. Two #2's with Iggy and Miller might be able to get us there.

I'm also quite sure that my criteria for being a #1 is higher than most. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Micheal Redd are all #2's. Joe Johnson is a #3 while Iggy is improving from a #4 to a #3. Iggy will NEVER be a #2.
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Post#99 » by tk76 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:52 am

Our problem is not Iguodala, its the other four. If you get rid of Dala the other four players still stink (well maybe only 2/4 overall, but none can shoot.)
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Post#100 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:21 am

SendEm wrote:I'm also quite sure that my criteria for being a #1 is higher than most. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Micheal Redd are all #2's. Joe Johnson is a #3 while Iggy is improving from a #4 to a #3. Iggy will NEVER be a #2.


I've finally seen what the problem is.

You're exactly right that you're defining a #2 differently than most people do. Most people define a #2 as, if the NBA did a redraft of all its players, said player would go in the second round.

In other words somewhere between the 31st and 60th best player in the league.

NOT people like Carmelo Anthony or Paul Pierce that can make All-NBA teams.

Look at it this way: It's like calling Kyle Loshe a #3 starting pitcher.

You can have a different definition, that's fine, just accept that the classic definition is different and people aren't going to change because you don't agree with it. Ok?

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