Sixers' Iguodala has faith he can play for larger fortune

SendEm · Post #81 » by **SendEm** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:37 pm

What ever happened to the "Iggy gets double teamed and that's why he can NEVER drive to the hole" people? Where are you? We miss you!
LMAO.

freshie2 · Post #82 » by **freshie2** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:46 pm

So is the disgust that he made a business decision to gamble on more money this season or that he probably will get around 5/$57?

When did those players sign their extensions? This off season? Stick with Butler, Ginobili and Howard as comparisons...when did they sign their deals? What was the market? The cap? How far into their deals are they?

Richardson?? This is like Magette...Iguodala is already better. Nash and Parker are pure PGs...good for them for taking less money. Martin we already addressed.

Are you saying you would lay out a big $$, long term deal to Arenas without a second thought given his recent injury issues?? Unless I'm mistaken, he's not even playing after multiple knee surgeries...good business sense?? In a game that is horrific on your knees, especially for a quick, change of pace, change of direction player?? Risky...

freshie2 · Post #83 » by **freshie2** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:51 pm

SendEm wrote:What ever happened to the "Iggy gets double teamed and that's why he can NEVER drive to the hole" people? Where are you? We miss you!
LMAO.

Have you been watching the last 2 weeks...he's been going to the hole more. Earlier in the season, you may have been right, but he's been driving more...what are you watching??

freshie2 · Post #84 » by **freshie2** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:55 pm

BTW>>>not sure if you are watching, but your boy Mayo is having a nice half against Stanford.

Mik317 · Post #85 » by **Mik317** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:14 pm

SendEm wrote:What ever happened to the "Iggy gets double teamed and that's why he can NEVER drive to the hole" people? Where are you? We miss you!
LMAO.

Either you were a pussy and Ignored most of them or They just finally realized that it's pointless to argue with a guy with his head up his ass.

SendEm · Post #86 » by **SendEm** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:05 pm

Iggy is not better than J. Rich at the same age/entering free agency.
21.7 3.9 assists 5.9 rebounds "125 made 3 pointers"
23.2 3.1 5.8 183

It's not even close...

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #87 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:22 pm

Why do people even respond anymore?

Post #88 » by **tk76** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:35 pm

As much as I would see Iguodala be a ore effective and committed driver, his jump shot has really developed into quite a weapon.

He has slowly improved his percentage, and has been on fire the last week or so.

His jump shot eFG% is .43 ( http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHI6A.HTM )

As a comparison, Lebron's is .40 and Kobe's is .45 (AI is .34 and Melo is .41)

Obviously Iguodala's game is not at the all NBA level of those guys, but his style of play is patterned to be like some of them (particularly Kobe- and they both take about 70% jumpers, mostly contested.)

What makes Iguodala's jumper a potential weapon is that he takes it off the dribble, and doesn't need picks or passes to get off his shot. Much like Kobe, he can get a jumper whenever he wants- he just has to continue improving on his percentage.

If in 3 years Iguodala hits jumpers at the same percentage as Kobe he still won't be as good of a player, but he will be a great offensive weapon. To have a guy who can get of a decent percentage shot at any time is a luxury that most teams lack. It is a star quality skill that Iguodala seems to be developing.

If Iguodala is forced to rely on fast break dunks and drives for his offense then Sendem is mostly right, and he will never be more than just a good complentary or role player.

BTW- Gnobli shoots jumpers at a sick .519eFG%- probably because he hits so many 3's. KK's jump shot eFG% is .532 because of all the three's he takes- which require good team play for him to be able to get off.)

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #89 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:43 pm

I'd be happy witgh Iggy as a good complimentary role player. The trouble is, some people look at stats to determine a star. You can have a guy lead your team in scoring and be a complimentary player to a heavy inside presence or a distributor...etc.

I could see Iggy in such a position in the future.

SendEm · Post #90 » by **SendEm** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:51 pm

People have taken notice that I am rarely wrong and know what I am talking about. Iggy does have a nice pull up jump shot from the middle of the floor BUT it will be shut down in the playoffs. The only singular kinds of perimeter scoring skills that can't be shut down are Reggie Miller/Richard Hamilton catch and shoot jump shots off of a million screens, and great pick and roll play like Stockton/Tim Hardaway. I can't think of any perimeter player that shoots mostly pull up jumpers that was as effective in the playoffs as they were during the regular season, but for $11.5 million dollars you expect a player to INCREASE their production in the playoffs. Teams will get in Iggy's face and have him playing like that slump he had around the time that Aaron Mckie was traded. He will still get the jump shot off, but he's no Kobe, Lebron, Pierce, Finley where he's going to make it and/or blow past the player for playing him too close.

SendEm · Post #91 » by **SendEm** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:12 pm

Johnny Broad-Street wrote:I'd be happy witgh Iggy as a good complimentary role player. The trouble is, some people look at stats to determine a star. You can have a guy lead your team in scoring and be a complimentary player to a heavy inside presence or a distributor...etc.

I could see Iggy in such a position in the future.

You have the role players, the star players, and the super star players. Iggy wants super star money. He TURNED DOWN a contract averaging $11.5 million per season which I would consider money between the star and super star level. He wants MORE than $11.5 million. $11.5+ million is NOT role player money. :wavefinger:

There's not a star player in the NBA who doesn't show up statistically. whether it's production or in Win percentage. Iggy is not good enough both in productivity AND his teams record to be paid $11.5+ million dollars. He's putting up lackluster statistics on a losing team where he has the greenlight to be the featured player. If Iggy decides in hi mind RIGHT NOW to go out and put up 37 shots in a game he has the greenlight to do that. No one is holding him back from scoring 45 points, getting 15 assists, grabbing 15 rebounds, 8 steals, 8 threes or accomplishing anything that's above and beyond that of ordinary role player production. Iggy's stats are inflated by having the ball the whole game on a bad team. He pretty much goes out every game and ACTUALLY gets his average. With other players that score in the 20 point range they tend to have alot more games where they score over 30 points than Iggy or even 40. What that tells me is that on any given night that player can take over a game and do much more than 20 ppg, while Iggy's 20 ppg is dependant upon him being in the same position to do so every game. SO put Iggy on a team where he doesn't handle the ball as much and his points will drop down as well as his assists. He will go back to being a more season version of the player that played with Iverson and Webber.

Post #92 » by **tk76** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:17 am

So 20 ppg is not 20 ppg. OK , that makes complete sense. It is worse to be a consistent scorer? You would prefer him to score 35 one nigt and 5 the next to average his 20?

Players in their 5th season revert to how they played as rookies?

Jump shots off the dribble are never available in the playoffs? (If you said uncontested layups on drives or fast break dunks I would agree, but pull up jumpers?)

11.5M over 5 years (starting at 10M next year) will be about the 55th highest salary in the league. That is not superstar money. Iguodala is in the top 55 players in the league. If some players are paid less they are bargains, not every player ends up being a bargain.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #93 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:29 am

Tell Rip Hamilton jumpers off the dribble are never available in the playoffs.

SendEm · Post #94 » by **SendEm** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:29 am

tk76 wrote:So 20 ppg is not 20 ppg. OK , that makes complete sense. It is worse to be a consistent scorer? You would prefer him to score 35 one nigt and 5 the next to average his 20?

Players in their 5th season revert to how they played as rookies?

Jump shots off the dribble are never available in the playoffs? (If you said uncontested layups on drives or fast break dunks I would agree, but pull up jumpers?)

11.5M over 5 years (starting at 10M next year) will be about the 55th highest salary in the league. That is not superstar money. Iguodala is in the top 55 players in the league. If some players are paid less they are bargains, not every player ends up being a bargain.

I'm sure that you thought that you were making great points but jump shots off of the dribble are NEVER available in the playoffs when the offensive player is a poor driver and a good pull up shooter. :noway:

And ONCE AGAIN Iggy TURNED DOWN $11.5 million dollars/5yrs. What part of that DON'T you understand? He doesn't want $11.5 over 5 seasons! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! :banghead:

Additionally he's not even worth the money that he TURNED DOWN.

Remember, TURNED DOWN! :pray:

SendEm · Post #95 » by **SendEm** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:31 am

Johnny Broad-Street wrote:Tell Rip Hamilton jumpers off the dribble are never available in the playoffs.

Rip scores off of screens better than anything... Where are the basketball minds? Do they take a break on the weekends? I am surrounded by teenagers on here. :lol:

freshie2 · Post #96 » by **freshie2** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:42 am

SendEm wrote:People have taken notice that I am rarely wrong and know what I am talking about.

No...people have noticed that you are a clown who doesn't know when to stop typing. Even if by chance, you come up with one thing that is correct, it is overshadowed by all the BS you spew and all of the statements that are complete nonsense.

You've gotten one thing right...Iguodala is not a perfect player. Outside of that, we need another Mitchell investigation to find any additional facts.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #97 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:54 am

SendEm used to come across as a knowledgeable poster....then it became obvious that any knowledge was far outweighed by his ridiculous penchant for arguement and inability to engage in discussion.

Post #98 » by **tk76** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:53 am

tk76 wrote:... To have a guy who can get of a decent percentage shot at any time is a luxury that most teams lack. It is a star quality skill that Iguodala seems to be developing.

If Iguodala is forced to rely on fast break dunks and drives for his offense then Sendem is mostly right, and he will never be more than just a good complementary or role player.

I stand by this. AS you have pointed out, Iguodala has definite flaws in regard to his drives and finishing in the half court. His development of the step back jumper is not only surprising, but will be key in determining what level of player he can become.

Post #99 » by **tk76** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:57 am

When you look at two of the all time greats- Kobe and MJ- they both were tremendous before they developed there unstoppable step back jumpers (much better drivers and finishers in traffic than Dala) but it was the addition of the jumper that lifted them to true offensive greatness by allowing them to score efficiently without getting beat up or wasting to much energy driving.

Sixersftw · Post #100 » by **Sixersftw** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:08 am

tk76 wrote:When you look at two of the all time greats- Kobe and MJ- they both were tremendous before they developed there unstoppable step back jumpers (much better drivers and finishers in traffic than Dala) but it was the addition of the jumper that lifted them to true offensive greatness by allowing them to score efficiently without getting beat up or wasting to much energy driving.

agree with kobe but Mj's turnaround fade is what did the trick imo. his step back was just another move in an already gaudy offensive arsenal