Talks of Miller to Portland?

sixerswillrule · Post #81 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:10 pm

If we could get some more value out of Raef's contract then that would be great. It would put us closer to the tax so that we might not be able to use the MLE, but that won't matter if we get our PG, hopefully Hinrich. But then, why wouldn't Portland just cut us out of the deal?

geiger · Post #82 » by **geiger** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:13 pm

I just can't see Pritchard accepting Evans and/or Green in return. Rodriguez does nothing for me. If it's merely Rodriquez and expiring contracts for Miller, I'd rather hold onto Miller for this season and take the risk of losing him for nothing. We can easily find a guy better than Sergio on the open market or in the draft. I honestly would be surprised if Rodriguez is playing in the NBA as opposed to Europe in 2 years. Webster has the issues of health to worry about. He hasn't played in a game this season and he just signed a long extension, so there is a serious risk in trading for him. And it's true, while we could use a shooter off the bench, Outlaw is not a great shooter, in spite of his improved 3 point prowess (he doesn't take that many) and he's more of a 3/4 as opposed to the 2/3 that Webster is.

If on the other hand Portland is willing to take Evans and Miller in exchange for LaFrentz and Rodriguez (based on the post above, doesn't seem like Koponen is panning out - although he's still young) and perhaps a future first round pick, than I'd be more amenable to doing it because we coudl have the money to steal away someone's restricted free agent. Or if somehow Portland is willing to do a Rudy Fernandez and expiring contracts for Miller (serious stretch obviously).

Sixers are in a tough position, but they put themselves there by not moving Miller earlier, so tough to feel bad for Stefanski on this one. Plus, it was fairly obvious that Miller is not a half court PG and is a guy who isn't a shooter, and that he probably isn't the best fit with Brand. Then again, who knows what was out there.

Either way, we'll all know the outcome within slightly over two weeks.

Post #83 » by **dbodner** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:14 pm

Now that DEFINITELY sounds too good to be true.

I would probably do that deal, mainly because of how much better Outlaw would be in that role than Green/Ivey currently is. But I'm not sure it sounds "too good to be true". None of the players are prime prospects, none are as good of an individual player as Miller is, and any cap relief we would get from it wouldn't be until 2010.

Post #84 » by **dbodner** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:16 pm

Outlaw is not a great shooter, in spite of his improved 3 point prowess (he doesn't take that many)

He takes 3 per game. considering he is only playing 26 minutes per night, that's a fairly decent sized amount.

underpressure · Post #85 » by **underpressure** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:17 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:no one is untradeable....but still not alot of interest in Dalembert's contract.

Havent heard anything about a trade for a Mike Miller or anything like that. Only thing I was told about that sounded somewhat active was Portland. If I get more between now and trade deadline I will share.

Well, thanks again for sharing your information. HIghly appreciated!

Gsraider · Post #86 » by **Gsraider** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:44 pm

Share some more Sixerfan. It's been too long and too quiet on the trade front:)

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #87 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:56 pm

Sixerfan,

Is there any chance that Orlando has an interest in Miller now that Nelson is possibly gone for the year?

Also, will the potential of Miller and Evans being off the books allow for another free agent splurge?

bebopdeluxe · Post #88 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:16 pm

Any trade with Orlando for Miller would probably have to be a 3-way - I don't see the salary or players who would match up with us.

Skates · Post #89 » by **Skates** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:17 pm

Unless we move Green and Dalembert (or maybe Brand) I don't think we get another free agent splurge until 2011.

Getting a pick back along with Outlaw would be decent, if we could package a pick with Green for another PG. Outlaw is an athletic shooter, nad more of a 3-4 like Thad, but if yoou clear out Green and play Iggy more at the 3 we will have a very athletic set of wing players and back-up PF's with Thad, Iggy, Lou and Outlaw. I like our power players with Brand, Sammy and Speights as well. I think Sergio and Lou are a very inadequate PG tandem though. Move Green and a pick for anothe ryoung PG to compete with Sergio and I would be much happier.

theanimal23 · Post #90 » by **theanimal23** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:24 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:yeah its been awhile....I been out of the loop for awhile...try to stick around some now as we approach deadline.

It will come down too..can someone give us a deal that keeps us competitive now only rest of year..but also puts us in good shape next year too as far as Miller is concerned. I think this deal does that pretty well.

Bulls fan here. I'm a fan of your posts and follow the 76ers at times. Is there any interest in making a deal with the Bulls? For example, Miller for Hinrich?

Thank You.

bebopdeluxe · Post #91 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:25 pm

Please, please, PLEASE...

sixerfan1976 · Post #92 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:33 pm

i got nothing on any miller deal except portland right now...when i know more..so will you:)

theanimal23 · Post #93 » by **theanimal23** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:39 pm

Thank You.

corwin · Post #94 » by **corwin** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 10:28 pm

Thought that I'd add that Shamsports has Outlaw's salary as non-guaranteed next year. That means that the Sixers lose the difference between Reggie's 4.9 million & Rodriguez' 1.5 million + any portion that is due Outlaw. That may not sound like much but it pretty much brings payroll down to around the salary cap & thus would allow a MLE signing next year and another the year after if any trades aren't made. I don't see much downside to that if Stefanski can't re-sign Miller to a reasonable deal. I do enjoy watching Evans (for the comedy value) but he makes too much money for his role on the team. Bring in a banger from the CBA (Elton Brown or RIchard Hendrix) or else re-sign Amundson next year for the minimum.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #95 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 10:32 pm

I hate that deal. The key is no one there is even close to as good as Miller, and I'm sorry, but Sergio sucks.

That deal would completely derail the season and we'd instantly become a lottery team. If you want to watch sub .500 basketball then I could see how you would like this deal. I want to make the playoffs though.

and I also think Miller can be re-signed.

Sixercise · Post #96 » by **Sixercise** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:04 pm

Get. That. Done. Ed.

geiger · Post #97 » by **geiger** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:49 pm

I wouldn't go based on such a small sample because of how young he is. This is his first season taking over 1.2 3's per game and the second season where his shooting percentage from 3 has been good. Than again, it could be because he is getting more consistent playing time and has matured and learned how to shoot. He doesn't seem to have a great stroke, but it goes in so it's hard to argue with result. Still, prior to this season, he made a total of 68 3 point shots in 5 seasons (again, he barely played his rookie season so you can make it 4 if you want) with 40 of those coming last season. I'm concerned that his line drive shooting might not be sustainable over long term if he is asked to be our 3 point specialist and take 3 to 4 shots a game. If you watch him play, you'll see that he is more of an off the dribble line drive shooter (again, results do seem positive in spite of that over about 1 season) rather than a guy who runs to the wings and spots up.

Post #98 » by **Spykes** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 12:04 am

geiger wrote:I wouldn't go based on such a small sample because of how young he is. This is his first season taking over 1.2 3's per game and the second season where his shooting percentage from 3 has been good. Than again, it could be because he is getting more consistent playing time and has matured and learned how to shoot. He doesn't seem to have a great stroke, but it goes in so it's hard to argue with result. Still, prior to this season, he made a total of 68 3 point shots in 5 seasons (again, he barely played his rookie season so you can make it 4 if you want) with 40 of those coming last season. I'm concerned that his line drive shooting might not be sustainable over long term if he is asked to be our 3 point specialist and take 3 to 4 shots a game. If you watch him play, you'll see that he is more of an off the dribble line drive shooter (again, results do seem positive in spite of that over about 1 season) rather than a guy who runs to the wings and spots up.

As some who's watched Outlaw over his entire career, Outlaw has a solid shooting stroke. The 3pt shot is something that he recently added to his repertoire, but it's a very consistent shot for him. There's no reason to think that it's something he'll lose. He's also got a solid shot from 18ft.

For Outlaw to be effective, he has to get his shots. And fair warning, Outlaw will make some fans want to tear their hair out. He's prone to taking wild shots, but more often than not, those shots go in. So while it's not pretty at times, it is effective and something you just have to live with from him.

It's also true that if you're asking Outlaw to just be a 3pt specialist a la Korver, then that's not a good idea. That's not to say he isn't capable of doing it, but it's wildly under-utilizing his talents.

Personally, I'd rather see Portland keep Outlaw. He's a very unique weapon off the bench for the Blazers and he's quite cheap for what he brings.

51X3RF4N · Post #99 » by **51X3RF4N** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 12:50 am

Hmm..stumped on this one.

We lose Miller, and gain a 22 y.o. pass first PG who can run the floor. I think that is a positive. Miller wouldn't have re-signed anyways.

We lose Evans(darn, I like him), and gain an athletic, 6'9 wing who can shoot pretty well and can fill in nicely for Thad at the 3. That is a good depth move.

We lose Rush, so what? And we get an expiring deal as well.

I think if this gets pulled off, the Sixers need to make a trade that gets rid of Dalembert's contract. Get an expiring from someone, and just try to give him up. That would free up a decent amount of money to make a little signing in 2009, or whatever. Flexibility is key.

Speights/??Thabeet?
Brand/??Hansbrough?
Thad/Outlaw
Iggy/Green
Sergio/LouWill/Ivey

Meh. I've seen worse.

Cookin Baskets · Post #100 » by **Cookin Baskets** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:06 am

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Sergio_Rodriguez/

Rodriguez has great potential. Also, an extra first gives us a chance at one of the college PG's in the draft.

For Andre Miller we want another young player in the deal..Roriquez is ok(Bayless would be way better!!

), but we need a shooter if we are trading Miller. A two guard/small forward who can replace what Kyle Korver used to do shoot the three ball we need that.