2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

51X3RF4N · Post #801 » by **51X3RF4N** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:17 pm

TJ can be a #2 PG if Ben and Kelle are splitting those minutes as well.

Simmons25 · Post #802 » by **Simmons25** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:54 am

I don't think TJ is a #2 PG on a championship team... which is really what we mean. #3 energy guy yes.

TJ is a regular season guy. In the playoffs where everything goes up a notch and McConnell's strengths (Hustling on plays) are marginalised because lets face it... every player hustles when games matter.

I fear his lack of size is going to be a weakness that playoff teams will exploit on us. All it takes is a 10-0 run in a game where they switch on McConnell and we lose a series.

Look at what Cleveland did last game to TJ. Lebron basically left him wide open on the 3 point line and dared him to shoot wide open 3's. Given TJ's improved 3pt shooting it looked like a bad idea... but TJ collapsed under the spotlight. Now make that a playoff game... and how much further they are going to focus on his weaknesses. We can't carry guys like that and expect them to play any minutes for us in crucial games.

PLO · Post #803 » by **PLO** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:17 am

Negrodamus wrote:
the_process wrote:
broseph13 wrote:
Having an eye for talent is far more important than having a higher pick. I'd rather have the 12th pick while having a terrific scouting team and GM at the wheel rather than the 6th pick and a lousy scouting team and incompetent GM (see Sacramento). Every year there are players who go late lottery or lower who are impact players from the start.

Higher pick better talent. Ayton, Doncic, MPJ, Bagley, Young, JJJ, Bamba, the Bridges Boys, Sexton, and Carter will all be gone by 12.

It’s more just frustration about having a top 5, 3, 3, unprotected 1st turn into only a 12th pick

The 11th pick in the 2013 draft for the 12th pick in the 2018 draft.

I'd rather have SGA than probably 5 names on that list, but I'm a little biased.

And the 11th pick in the 2013 draft was far less valuable than the 12 in this absolutely stacked draft.

If we were forced into picking a guard with the Lakers pick I would take SGA and not look back. Adding Young to our roster would imbalance one of the league's best defenses and our turnovers are already at a league high, although I still love Young as a prospect - I think there are other teams he fits better. Sexton I'm a lot lower on than many people because I don't think he has any distribution skills at all. The only issue with SGA for me is he's realistically 2 years away at least from seeing substantial time on an NBA floor - I'm not even that worried about his shot because to me he's improved in that area as the season has gone on, its just the physical side of the game that will really handicap him early on in the NBA.

It might well be the case he's not even available to us when we pick if the Lakers pick transfers; I think any FO that ranks him above Sexton is making a pretty egregious mistake.

Eyeamok · Post #804 » by **Eyeamok** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:09 pm

Simmons25 wrote:I don't think TJ is a #2 PG on a championship team... which is really what we mean. #3 energy guy yes.

TJ is a regular season guy. In the playoffs where everything goes up a notch and McConnell's strengths (Hustling on plays) are marginalised because lets face it... every player hustles when games matter.

I fear his lack of size is going to be a weakness that playoff teams will exploit on us. All it takes is a 10-0 run in a game where they switch on McConnell and we lose a series.

Look at what Cleveland did last game to TJ. Lebron basically left him wide open on the 3 point line and dared him to shoot wide open 3's. Given TJ's improved 3pt shooting it looked like a bad idea... but TJ collapsed under the spotlight. Now make that a playoff game... and how much further they are going to focus on his weaknesses. We can't carry guys like that and expect them to play any minutes for us in crucial games.

You are right. Except for one small detail. TJ is a guy that is used to beating the odds. He learns from his mistakes and he is smart. He may have "collapsed under the spotlight." This time but that is not indicative of who he is. Come playoff time, I would not be surprised to see him improve his game. And this is coming from a guy that did not like his game at all a year or two ago.

TJ has won me over big time.

long range bomber · Post #805 » by **long range bomber** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:10 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:I don't think TJ is a #2 PG on a championship team... which is really what we mean. #3 energy guy yes.

TJ is a regular season guy. In the playoffs where everything goes up a notch and McConnell's strengths (Hustling on plays) are marginalised because lets face it... every player hustles when games matter.

I fear his lack of size is going to be a weakness that playoff teams will exploit on us. All it takes is a 10-0 run in a game where they switch on McConnell and we lose a series.

Look at what Cleveland did last game to TJ. Lebron basically left him wide open on the 3 point line and dared him to shoot wide open 3's. Given TJ's improved 3pt shooting it looked like a bad idea... but TJ collapsed under the spotlight. Now make that a playoff game... and how much further they are going to focus on his weaknesses. We can't carry guys like that and expect them to play any minutes for us in crucial games.

You are right. Except for one small detail. TJ is a guy that is used to beating the odds. He learns from his mistakes and he is smart. He may have "collapsed under the spotlight." This time but that is not vindictive of who he is. Come playoff time, I would not be surprised to see him improve his game. And this is coming from a guy that did not like his game at all a year or two ago.

TJ has won me over big time.

Back up PGs on championship teams over last 10 years include Dellavedova(CLE), Livingston(GS), Mills(SAN), Norris Cole(MIA), Rodrigue Beaubois(DAL), Jordan Farmar(LAL). McConnell can hold his own against that group.

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Post #806 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:22 pm

He had a bad game against the Cavs. He also almost singlehandedly flipped that Rockets game by getting in Harden's head and had maybe the best game of his career against the Raptors.

The shot is a work in progress. Wouldn't bet against him figuring it out.

Kobblehead · Post #807 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:44 pm

Bring in an upgrade for the long-term via the draft and let T.J. play on the team option next year while we groom his replacement.

ProcessDoctor · Post #808 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:55 pm

I’m confident this pick (player) gets traded if we land LeBron. There are several win-now players available to help this team win a championship next season.

Simmons25 · Post #809 » by **Simmons25** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:31 am

long range bomber wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:I don't think TJ is a #2 PG on a championship team... which is really what we mean. #3 energy guy yes.

TJ is a regular season guy. In the playoffs where everything goes up a notch and McConnell's strengths (Hustling on plays) are marginalised because lets face it... every player hustles when games matter.

I fear his lack of size is going to be a weakness that playoff teams will exploit on us. All it takes is a 10-0 run in a game where they switch on McConnell and we lose a series.

Look at what Cleveland did last game to TJ. Lebron basically left him wide open on the 3 point line and dared him to shoot wide open 3's. Given TJ's improved 3pt shooting it looked like a bad idea... but TJ collapsed under the spotlight. Now make that a playoff game... and how much further they are going to focus on his weaknesses. We can't carry guys like that and expect them to play any minutes for us in crucial games.

You are right. Except for one small detail. TJ is a guy that is used to beating the odds. He learns from his mistakes and he is smart. He may have "collapsed under the spotlight." This time but that is not vindictive of who he is. Come playoff time, I would not be surprised to see him improve his game. And this is coming from a guy that did not like his game at all a year or two ago.

TJ has won me over big time.

Back up PGs on championship teams over last 10 years include Dellavedova(CLE), Livingston(GS), Mills(SAN), Norris Cole(MIA), Rodrigue Beaubois(DAL), Jordan Farmar(LAL). McConnell can hold his own against that group.

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Dellavedova had 1 good game against Curry in the finals... and then Curry destroyed him. He destroyed him so badly that Dellavedova ended up in hospital on an IV.

As for the others... Livingston is an excellent defender who is a tall 6ft 6" pg that can score and creates match up nightmares.. exact opposite to McConnell. Mills can light it up from deep and get to the basket. McConnell can't. The others aren't even worth mentioning.

McConnell is a scrapper and when he was hitting those 3's he made himself valuable... almost valuable enough to earn the backup PG role permanently. His last month though has been ordinary and I barely see him even take a 3 anymore never mind hit them.

He has only hit 1 x three pointer in the last 10 games. If TJ is not out there hitting 3's like he was earlier in the season he is almost a liability.

PLO · Post #810 » by **PLO** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:32 am

The Lakers form is annoying, fair play to them though, they're beating some good teams.

LordCovington33 · Post #811 » by **LordCovington33** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:41 am

PLO wrote:The Lakers form is annoying, fair play to them though, they're beating some good teams.

Bad when they had their pick, managing to stay top 3 throughout. Improves when the pick is no longer theirs. :evil:

Wilfried · Post #812 » by **Wilfried** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:58 am

They are playing the Warriors without Curry and Green next

LakersSoul · Post #813 » by **LakersSoul** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:26 pm

LordCovington33 wrote:
PLO wrote:The Lakers form is annoying, fair play to them though, they're beating some good teams.

Bad when they had their pick, managing to stay top 3 throughout. Improves when the pick is no longer theirs.

Trust the Lakers Process!!

Picked #2 the last 3 years and now one tier outside of the playoffs and improving monthly when we dont have our pick. Got to love how the franchise work their draft slots. Magic/Pelinka are a smart duo. We got the team humming with a super young group plus a nice salary cap situation for 2 Max guys. Magic is also working the teams around the NBA and picking up draft picks on top of moving the organization in the right direction.

If you look at it carefully, Magic/Pelinka are doing what Hinkie was doing but more subtle and shouting about signing Max guys even if they dont. Hinkie was too obvious and could learn a thing or two from Magic.

Post #814 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:18 pm

LakersSoul wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
PLO wrote:The Lakers form is annoying, fair play to them though, they're beating some good teams.

Bad when they had their pick, managing to stay top 3 throughout. Improves when the pick is no longer theirs.

Trust the Lakers Process!!

Picked #2 the last 3 years and now one tier outside of the playoffs and improving monthly when we dont have our pick. Got to love how the franchise work their draft slots. Magic/Pelinka are a smart duo. We got the team humming with a super young group plus a nice salary cap situation for 2 Max guys. Magic is also working the teams around the NBA and picking up draft picks on top of moving the organization in the right direction.

If you look at it carefully, Magic/Pelinka are doing what Hinkie was doing but more subtle and shouting about signing Max guys even if they dont. Hinkie was too obvious and could learn a thing or two from Magic.

Magic wasn't running the team when it was racking up losses? He took over like a year ago. Comparing him to what Hinkie had to do is completely off.

I do think those two know what they are doing... but IDK about subtle, hasn't he been fined multiple times for tampering already? Pretty clear what he's trying to do.

And let's cool off about these wins being the result of some process... your 3 #2 picks scored a combined 5 points for you last night. The Lakers are in a weird situation where they are being buoyed by a bunch of free agents to be that they are probably going to have to renounce this summer to execute their plan. It sort of reminds me of the way the Sixers screwed up the Oden/Durant tank after trading Iverson (except of course you guys don't have a pick).

Kobblehead · Post #815 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:22 pm

Let's see how this Lakers thing shakes out. They basically have 3 key guys even under contract next year (Ingram, Ball and Kuzma). Everyone else is a free agent. If they strike out on stars and end up overpaying to retain or acquire non-stars, this whole thing could be thrust into disappointment.

Negrodamus · Post #816 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:26 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:Bad when they had their pick, managing to stay top 3 throughout. Improves when the pick is no longer theirs.

Trust the Lakers Process!!

Picked #2 the last 3 years and now one tier outside of the playoffs and improving monthly when we dont have our pick. Got to love how the franchise work their draft slots. Magic/Pelinka are a smart duo. We got the team humming with a super young group plus a nice salary cap situation for 2 Max guys. Magic is also working the teams around the NBA and picking up draft picks on top of moving the organization in the right direction.

If you look at it carefully, Magic/Pelinka are doing what Hinkie was doing but more subtle and shouting about signing Max guys even if they dont. Hinkie was too obvious and could learn a thing or two from Magic.

Magic wasn't running the team when it was racking up losses? He took over like a year ago. Comparing him to what Hinkie had to do is completely off.

I do think those two know what they are doing... but IDK about subtle, hasn't he been fined multiple times for tampering already? Pretty clear what he's trying to do.

And let's cool off about these wins being the result of some process... your 3 #2 picks scored a combined 5 points for you last night. The Lakers are in a weird situation where they are being buoyed by a bunch of free agents to be that they are probably going to have to renounce this summer to execute their plan. It sort of reminds me of the way the Sixers screwed up the Oden/Durant tank after trading Iverson (except of course you guys don't have a pick).

And had two straight years of good luck in not giving us that pick. I'm actually not sure what the Laker Process is right now. They are putting all their chips on landing LeBron and/or George. If that doesn't happen, they basically waste another season.

LakersSoul · Post #817 » by **LakersSoul** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:21 am

Kobblehead wrote:Let's see how this Lakers thing shakes out. They basically have 3 key guys even under contract next year (Ingram, Ball and Kuzma). Everyone else is a free agent. If they strike out on stars and end up overpaying to retain or acquire non-stars, this whole thing could be thrust into disappointment.

Actually...

PG: Lonzo
SG: Hart
SF: Ingram/Kuzma
PF: Randle
C: Zubac/Bryant

The Lakers have 7 guys they have signed to a contract or the option to bring them back (Randle as RFA). Six out of them are either first or second year guys on the team. They will have to decide on RFA Randle (plus backup Zubac) then make a decision on weather to bring back KCP, Lopez and IT or sign other FA players.

Since the Lakers have one of the best salary cap situation, I expect them to add another 2 rookies (Cavs FRP and Denvers SRP) over the summer then decide on which FAs are best fit for the Lakers. I think they are more than fine with the situation. Next year will not be a waste but gives the core players another year to improve and make a push for the playoffs.

I expect Magic to go after Max guys like PG and possibly Cousins. If that fails, go after the best of the rest with 1 year deals.

Kolkmania · Post #818 » by **Kolkmania** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 pm

LakersSoul wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Let's see how this Lakers thing shakes out. They basically have 3 key guys even under contract next year (Ingram, Ball and Kuzma). Everyone else is a free agent. If they strike out on stars and end up overpaying to retain or acquire non-stars, this whole thing could be thrust into disappointment.

Actually...

PG: Lonzo
SG: Hart
SF: Ingram/Kuzma
PF: Randle
C: Zubac/Bryant

The Lakers have 7 guys they have signed to a contract or the option to bring them back (Randle as RFA). Six out of them are either first or second year guys on the team. They will have to decide on RFA Randle (plus backup Zubac) then make a decision on weather to bring back KCP, Lopez and IT or sign other FA players.

Since the Lakers have one of the best salary cap situation, I expect them to add another 2 rookies (Cavs FRP and Denvers SRP) over the summer then decide on which FAs are best fit for the Lakers. I think they are more than fine with the situation. Next year will not be a waste but gives the core players another year to improve and make a push for the playoffs.

I expect Magic to go after Max guys like PG and possibly Cousins. If that fails, go after the best of the rest with 1 year deals.

Well this isn't quite accurate right? The bolded ones account for roughly 19.5 million dollars. Randle has a cap hold of 12.4 million dollars, Deng has a contract for 18 million dollars (7.36 if stretched). Also additional money because of the minimum amount of players and the CLE pick.

60.6 million dollars for two max contracts, 101 - 60.6 = 40.4 million dollars on the books next year for two max FA's of 2nd tier, with LBJ included it needs to be 35.4 million dollars. Not really sure how they're going to do that without getting rid of Deng somehow, or renouncing Randle.

Adding just 1 max FA will result in a nice roster, but probably not contention material imo.

Kobblehead · Post #819 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:10 pm

LakersSoul wrote:Actually...

I said "key" guys. None of those guys other than Josh Hart are even in the rotation.

Ericb5 · Post #820 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Let's see how this Lakers thing shakes out. They basically have 3 key guys even under contract next year (Ingram, Ball and Kuzma). Everyone else is a free agent. If they strike out on stars and end up overpaying to retain or acquire non-stars, this whole thing could be thrust into disappointment.

Randle is playing himself into an issue for the Lakers because he is good enough to be worth signing, but they want to sign Max free agents which means that they will want to renounce him most likely.

I have always been a randle fan, and I am enjoying his rapid improvement. Actually I like Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram too. I think that the Lakers should be careful of taking short cuts and screwing up what they are building.

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