2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

LloydFree · Post #801 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:45 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
Mik317 wrote:smokescreens everywhere
Yeah, this Boston-Sacramento thing may be just cleverly orchestrated smokescreen by Boston to jack up the bidding on #1. I just can't figure out what Fultz has to gain by working out for the Kings. I'm almost expecting that report to be false.

My guess is that he's trying to be a nice kid and working out for anyone in the top 5 that asks him. Seems like it fits his personality. Could be something more interesting/sinister but I'm going with the simple explanation until there's new developments.

Yeah, I think Fultz is a little more calculated than that. He was smart enough to shut himself down the last month of the season so evaluators couldn't see him play the hardest part of his schedule. He was smart enough to not take part in any drills at the Scouting combine. But now he's willing to work out for the #5 team?

Kobblehead · Post #802 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:46 pm

shawn_hemp wrote:I think Ball got some underserved flak over the tournament game against Kentucky because De'Aaron Fox had such a great game

Not to validate Lavar Ball, but he wasn't wrong when he deflected blame from Lonzo when Fox went off. Fox was using high ball screens and feasting on Welsh and Leaf more than he was cooking Lonzo.

LloydFree · Post #803 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
shawn_hemp wrote:I think Ball got some underserved flak over the tournament game against Kentucky because De'Aaron Fox had such a great game

Not to validate Lavar Ball, but he wasn't wrong when he deflected blame from Lonzo when Fox went off. Fox was using high ball screens and feasting on Welsh and Leaf more than he was cooking Lonzo.

Some of that is coaching too. Alford sat there the whole game and watched Kentucky create those mismatches, but did nothing to stop Ball from fighting Over the picks. Alford should have been forcing Ball to go Under those picks on Fox.

Unbreakable99 · Post #804 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:01 pm

I just can't wait until the draft. I still think Isaac could be the guy we draft at 3 after hearing BC say whoever he drafts at 3 will be able to shoot but I hope it's Ball or Jackson. I like Isaac so if BC does pick him I will understand the pick. Ball just has that factor to uplift people and Jackson has that dog in him and I love that about both of them.

Kobblehead · Post #805 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:08 pm

LloydFree wrote:Some of that is coaching too. Alford sat there the whole game and watched Kentucky create those mismatches, but did nothing to stop Ball from fighting Over the picks. Alford should have been forcing Ball to go Under those picks on Fox.

Having Ball go over screens against a guy that doesn't take or make threes was a suspect choice.

The utilization of UCLA's bigs in that game was the thing that got me most. I don't care what worked for them for the majority of the year. It's a sudden death game and you're getting destroyed by arguably the best penetrating guard in the country. Thomas Welsh and T.J. Leaf can't defend the pick and roll or protect the rim. They're useless defensively for you and you let Ike Anigbogu rot on your bench.

Kobblehead · Post #806 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:41 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I just can't wait until the draft. I still think Isaac could be the guy we draft at 3 after hearing BC say whoever he drafts at 3 will be able to shoot but I hope it's Ball or Jackson. I like Isaac so if BC does pick him I will understand the pick. Ball just has that factor to uplift people and Jackson has that dog in him and I love that about both of them.

I wonder if the 11 games Jonathan Isaac was held to single digit scoring keeps him from Top 5 consideration for these teams.

Unbreakable99 · Post #807 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:48 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I just can't wait until the draft. I still think Isaac could be the guy we draft at 3 after hearing BC say whoever he drafts at 3 will be able to shoot but I hope it's Ball or Jackson. I like Isaac so if BC does pick him I will understand the pick. Ball just has that factor to uplift people and Jackson has that dog in him and I love that about both of them.

I wonder if the 11 games Jonathan Isaac was held to single digit scoring keeps him from Top 5 consideration for these teams.

Who knows. Isaac has the length and shooting and defensive impact where he might become the best player 3 or 5 years down the road. BC is going to project down the road and that's why I think he's in play at 3. He doesn't have the alpha dog in him and he may never get it but at a minimum he should be a good starter who can be the 3rd or 4th scoring player but best or 2nd best defensive player. I'm just going by BC's words. He said he will take a player who can shoot at 3. That's not Jackson. That is like Isaac or Tatum or Ball. But who knows. Maybe BC is just doing misdirection and saying anything.

Lakersteve20 · Post #808 » by **Lakersteve20** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I wonder if the Lakers view Lonzo's introverted, reserved demeanor as a negative trait.

Lonzo lack of lateral quickness, inability to play in P&R, unorthodox shot, and horrid defense is why they will pass on him. He's this year's Okafor imo. The Lakers were blown away by Jackson workout. He's going to be our pick.

Kobblehead · Post #809 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:55 pm

Sometimes I get the impression that these front offices would rather take a risk on a potential headliner than "settle" for the surefire complimentary starter.

Unbreakable99 · Post #810 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:57 pm

Lakersteve20 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I wonder if the Lakers view Lonzo's introverted, reserved demeanor as a negative trait.

Lonzo lack of lateral quickness, inability to play in P&R, unorthodox shot, and horrid defense is why they will pass on him. He's this year's Okafor imo. The Lakers were blown away by Jackson workout. He's going to be our pick.

I hope you're right. I love Ball. Either way I'm good with either one at 3 but I want Ball. And Ball is nothing like Okafor. Okafor didn't have the prerequisites to play the position as far as shot blocking and defense and rebounding. Ball does have the prerequisites. Defense isn't the biggest thing for a PG. Ball can shoot and pass but please pass on Ball. I'd be ecstatic.

Kobblehead · Post #811 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:23 am

Other than the Warriors, no team in the NBA runs the pick and roll less than us. Another reason Lonzo would be a seamless fit in Philadelphia.

Skates · Post #812 » by **Skates** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:26 am

Jay Bilas will not love announcing this draft, not a lot of top players with 'length' to expound about. Gator arm draft.

Kobblehead · Post #813 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:45 am

Watch on YouTube

Miles Bridges is working hard this summer. Still surprised he didn't enter the draft.

HankTheTank · Post #814 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:26 am

Lakersteve20 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I wonder if the Lakers view Lonzo's introverted, reserved demeanor as a negative trait.

Lonzo lack of lateral quickness, inability to play in P&R, unorthodox shot, and horrid defense is why they will pass on him. He's this year's Okafor imo. The Lakers were blown away by Jackson workout. He's going to be our pick.

...If he gets by Boston. If Boston keeps the pick, I would not be surprised at all if they take Jackson.

Ericb5 · Post #815 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:32 am

Kobblehead wrote:I wonder if the Lakers view Lonzo's introverted, reserved demeanor as a negative trait.

I have to admit. I am confused by his tacit endorsement of his dad's behavior. It DOES give me pause to a certain extent.

Saw what you will about Okafor the player, but Okafor the person told his dad to shut up as soon as he started making noise, and I respect him for that.

Levar is hurting Lonzo, and Lonzo has been silent about it. I'd still draft the kid, but it does confuse me a bit.

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Ericb5 · Post #816 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:34 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I just can't wait until the draft. I still think Isaac could be the guy we draft at 3 after hearing BC say whoever he drafts at 3 will be able to shoot but I hope it's Ball or Jackson. I like Isaac so if BC does pick him I will understand the pick. Ball just has that factor to uplift people and Jackson has that dog in him and I love that about both of them.

I wonder if the 11 games Jonathan Isaac was held to single digit scoring keeps him from Top 5 consideration for these teams.

It's competitive fire that concerns me with Isaac. Does he love to compete? If he had Jackson's motor he would definitely be a top 3 player.

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PhillySixers22 · Post #817 » by **PhillySixers22** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:31 am

This is probably that hardest to predict and most balanced top of a draft in recent memory. The top end talent is so clustered together with no clear seperation between so many players that it's hard to know who we're going to end up with. I see the top in two tiers:
Tier 1 being Fultz, Ball and Jackson
Tier 2 being Fox, Isaac, DSJ, and Tatum with Monk right on the bubble with mostly personal preference as the deciding factor.

Seeing as we have a top 3 pick I'd prefer to exit the draft with one of those 3. All three could fit with what we're building, if the Lakers pass on Ball I would love to see him and Simmons play off of eachother and Embiid, particularly if his shot translates.

Kobblehead · Post #818 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:03 am

The sophomore class is absolutely fascinating to me. A lot of these guys have major tools.

- Donovan Mitchell is a bigtime defender.
- Caleb Swanigan is a bigtime rebounder with bigtime offensive skill.
- John Collins is a bigtime rebounder with bigtime scoring ability.
- Luke Kennard might be the best shooter in this draft and he can score.
- Juwan Evans might be both, the best distributor and penetrator in this draft and can shoot it ontop of that.
- OG Anunoby's blend of power, size, athleticism, length and defensive instincts is pretty ridiculous.

Pretty much all of them have major flaws, but damn, so many plus tools.

Negrodamus · Post #819 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:17 am

If you knew Jayson Tatum would turn out to be Gordon Hayward at the next level, would you select him at 3?

They had similar stats in college, Gordon a bit better with advanced stats, but he was also playing at Butler again lesser competition.

JojoSlimbiid · Post #820 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:35 am

Negrodamus wrote:If you knew Jayson Tatum would turn out to be Gordon Hayward at the next level, would you select him at 3?

They had similar stats in college, Gordon a bit better with advanced stats, but he was also playing at Butler again lesser competition.

I'd for sure draft him @ 3 knowing that was his outcome. I dunno when watching Butler play that year it was surprising how athletic he was for a you know that kind of guy. I think he looked a lot more explosive going to the basket at Butler than Tatum at Duke. Either way 100% you take Tatum if that is his ceiling.