Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

phillynative · Post #801 » by **phillynative** » Fri May 31, 2019 12:48 pm

Draft Well , Develop Talent. When was the last time Sixers have done this. Seems like the Sixers have dropped the ball on that alot lately...

cool93 · Post #802 » by **cool93** » Fri May 31, 2019 1:31 pm

If only we found a jem in last years late 1st round..

steveb21 · Post #803 » by **steveb21** » Fri May 31, 2019 1:35 pm

cool93 wrote:If only we found a jem in last years late 1st round..

We did...and traded him.

cool93 · Post #804 » by **cool93** » Fri May 31, 2019 1:40 pm

steveb21 wrote:
cool93 wrote:If only we found a jem in last years late 1st round..

We did...and traded him.

Yeah, that's what I meant. West fleeced Brand, that was waaaay too much for expiring non all-star level player. Shamet shouldn't have been in the deal.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #805 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri May 31, 2019 5:17 pm

I'm still butthurt about losing Landry too. However, I doubt the deal gets done without him. Landry is just a perfect guard for today's NBA. I don't think he'll ever be a contributor on the defensive end, but his shooting last season was historical.

Maybe Brand could have called West's bluff and just offered MIA 1st + PHI 1st + expirings? I doubt there was a better deal on the table than that.

Arsenal · Post #806 » by **Arsenal** » Fri May 31, 2019 5:50 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm still butthurt about losing Landry too. However, I doubt the deal gets done without him. Landry is just a perfect guard for today's NBA. I don't think he'll ever be a contributor on the defensive end, but his shooting last season was historical.

Maybe Brand could have called West's bluff and just offered MIA 1st + PHI 1st + expirings? I doubt there was a better deal on the table than that.

So what? Why did we have to do that deal? We would have lost in round 2 either way.

Shamet by himself will be more valuable than Harris next season (due to contracts), not to mention the other assets burned.

Stupid stupid deal.

Wilfried · Post #807 » by **Wilfried** » Fri May 31, 2019 6:08 pm

cool93 wrote:
steveb21 wrote:
cool93 wrote:If only we found a jem in last years late 1st round..

We did...and traded him.
Yeah, that's what I meant. West fleeced Brand, that was waaaay too much for expiring non all-star level player. Shamet shouldn't have been in the deal.

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An non All-star player that was playing on an Allstar level that is.

I like Shamet, and we'll see what the Miami pick will look like, but all this talk about getting 'fleeced' :crazy:

We are in a win-now mode and we got a player who was playing on an Allstar level back.
We got to a game 7 against the team who now has the lead in the NBA finals, who are much more experienced than us.

We got there with our best player far from being in top shape and with a PG who cannot shoot anything from more than 2 feet.

But yeah, we would be in such better position with Landry Shamet and his 7 points on 34% shooting overall in the play-offs.
And with that pick. He really would have made the difference during these play-offs or the ones next season.

Given Joel's health, it was time to go all-in. And Tobias Harris is a good enough player (and still young enough) to give some assets up for.

PhillyFan11 · Post #808 » by **PhillyFan11** » Fri May 31, 2019 6:08 pm

Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm still butthurt about losing Landry too. However, I doubt the deal gets done without him. Landry is just a perfect guard for today's NBA. I don't think he'll ever be a contributor on the defensive end, but his shooting last season was historical.

Maybe Brand could have called West's bluff and just offered MIA 1st + PHI 1st + expirings? I doubt there was a better deal on the table than that.

So what? Why did we have to do that deal? We would have lost in round 2 either way.

Shamet by himself will be more valuable than Harris next season (due to contracts), not to mention the other assets burned.

Stupid stupid deal.

Landry Shamet could play for free and he still would not be more valuable than Harris. Beyond ridiculous statement.

Would it be nice to have Shamet on the bench? Of course. Is anyone going to give a damn about missing Shamet in 3-4 years? No way, he’s not the type of guy that makes or breaks a championship team. Wayne Ellington 2.0

the_process · Post #809 » by **the_process** » Fri May 31, 2019 6:45 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm still butthurt about losing Landry too. However, I doubt the deal gets done without him. Landry is just a perfect guard for today's NBA. I don't think he'll ever be a contributor on the defensive end, but his shooting last season was historical.

Maybe Brand could have called West's bluff and just offered MIA 1st + PHI 1st + expirings? I doubt there was a better deal on the table than that.

So what? Why did we have to do that deal? We would have lost in round 2 either way.

Shamet by himself will be more valuable than Harris next season (due to contracts), not to mention the other assets burned.

Stupid stupid deal.

Landry Shamet could play for free and he still would not be more valuable than Harris. Beyond ridiculous statement.

Would it be nice to have Shamet on the bench? Of course. Is anyone going to give a damn about missing Shamet in 3-4 years? No way, he’s not the type of guy that makes or breaks a championship team. Wayne Ellington 2.0

The overrating of Tobias continues. Tobias is not a guy who makes a championship team, either, although he may break one as Game 4 showed. Shamet on a 26th pick rookie deal for 3 more years is far more valuable than five years of Tobias on a 30M+ deal. And that doesn’t even mention the two firsts included, or the fact the Sixers didn’t even get a top 7 piece returned with Tobias (Scott is an 8/9 guy, and Boban is not playable when it counts).

Arsenal · Post #810 » by **Arsenal** » Fri May 31, 2019 6:46 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm still butthurt about losing Landry too. However, I doubt the deal gets done without him. Landry is just a perfect guard for today's NBA. I don't think he'll ever be a contributor on the defensive end, but his shooting last season was historical.

Maybe Brand could have called West's bluff and just offered MIA 1st + PHI 1st + expirings? I doubt there was a better deal on the table than that.

So what? Why did we have to do that deal? We would have lost in round 2 either way.

Shamet by himself will be more valuable than Harris next season (due to contracts), not to mention the other assets burned.

Stupid stupid deal.

Landry Shamet could play for free and he still would not be more valuable than Harris. Beyond ridiculous statement.

Would it be nice to have Shamet on the bench? Of course. Is anyone going to give a damn about missing Shamet in 3-4 years? No way, he’s not the type of guy that makes or breaks a championship team. Wayne Ellington 2.0

You have to factor in their contracts. Learn what "opportunity cost" is.

PhillyFan11 · Post #811 » by **PhillyFan11** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm

Arsenal wrote:
PhillyFan11 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
So what? Why did we have to do that deal? We would have lost in round 2 either way.

Shamet by himself will be more valuable than Harris next season (due to contracts), not to mention the other assets burned.

Stupid stupid deal.

Landry Shamet could play for free and he still would not be more valuable than Harris. Beyond ridiculous statement.

Would it be nice to have Shamet on the bench? Of course. Is anyone going to give a damn about missing Shamet in 3-4 years? No way, he’s not the type of guy that makes or breaks a championship team. Wayne Ellington 2.0

You have to factor in their contracts. Learn what "opportunity cost" is.

Are we trying to win a championship or win the award for best value on contracts? We already struck out trying to lure big free agents so our GM got the best available player at the time at the cost of 2 late 1st's and the wild card of the heat pick. Nothing significant to cry about. Hindsight is 20/20 now that we got eliminated, but we were in a legit position to at least make a run at the finals. If you’re more worried about losing a very replaceable bench player then going for a championship then your priorities are way off...in my opinion.

youngcrev · Post #812 » by **youngcrev** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:34 pm

Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

PhilasFinest · Post #813 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:43 pm

phillynative wrote:Draft Well , Develop Talent. When was the last time Sixers have done this. Seems like the Sixers have dropped the ball on that alot lately...

While I agree and hear what your saying.....Joel Embiid & Ben Simmons have to account for something (They were both drafted and have developed into All-stars)

Saric was drafted and developed enough to land us Jimmy Butler. Same can be said for Roco who was an undrafted find that developed into a player worthy of a lottery pick.

I'm not trying to argue that we have drafted well (we have not), but there is a new regime in place compared to the tank days.Brand is now the GM and has only had 1 draft with Brett's assistance. Hinkie is gone and so is Big Collars.

Zhaire got hurt and is hard to judge, but showed flashes & promise in limited minutes. Im on board with his upside.
Shamet looked the part of a quality role-player/shooting specialist and netted us Harris.
Shake showed some promise in the G league.

Time will tell. Just hope we can roll this years draft into another Shamet like hit with at least 1 of our picks.

PhilasFinest · Post #814 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:59 pm

youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

Draft totally alters the ranking of this list. If we draft a big, obviously the guards/wings become priorities and vice versa.

Assuming everyone stays in place in terms of starters, Id love Pat Beverly off that list if it were possible.

Him,Butler,Embiid,Simmons would really give you a team that could be an elite, #1 defense in the NBA. He can play on and off ball, still defend at the 2 spot and compliment Ben or Butler being primary ball handlers with his shooting.
Draft a decent big (Ex:Dedric Lawson)
Draft a wing to pair with Zhaire off the bench
Stash a developmental Center in Delaware to develop with 1 of the 2nd's
Sign a veteran C to a 1 year min deal.

Love Ross, but he's getting paid IMO.

Post #815 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri May 31, 2019 9:31 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

Draft totally alters the ranking of this list. If we draft a big, obviously the guards/wings become priorities and vice versa.

Assuming everyone stays in place in terms of starters, Id love Pat Beverly off that list if it were possible.

Him,Butler,Embiid,Simmons would really give you a team that could be an elite, #1 defense in the NBA. He can play on and off ball, still defend at the 2 spot and compliment Ben or Butler being primary ball handlers with his shooting.
Draft a decent big (Ex:Dedric Lawson)
Draft a wing to pair with Zhaire off the bench
Stash a developmental Center in Delaware to develop with 1 of the 2nd's
Sign a veteran C to a 1 year min deal.

Love Ross, but he's getting paid IMO.

Doubt whoever they take at 24 impacts very much who they sign this summer. That guy isn’t getting earmarked playing time, if he earns it throughout the year great. Like when they took Shamet many thought he’d spend most of the year in Delaware.

Post #816 » by **BullyKing** » Fri May 31, 2019 9:36 pm

youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

1. Pat Beverly
2. Danny Green
3. Dewayne Dedmon
4. Terrence Ross
5. Bojan Bogdanovic
6. Al-Farouq Aminu
7. Rudy Gay
8. Thad Young

Interested but definitely not at the full midlevel:
1. Darren Collison
2. Trevor Ariza
3. Jeremy Lamb

ProcessDoctor · Post #817 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:01 pm

BullyKing wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

1. Pat Beverly
2. Danny Green
3. Dewayne Dedmon
4. Terrence Ross
5. Bojan Bogdanovic
6. Al-Farouq Aminu
7. Rudy Gay
8. Thad Young

Interested but definitely not at the full midlevel:
1. Darren Collison
2. Trevor Ariza
3. Jeremy Lamb

We should add Cory Joseph to the list too.

PhilasFinest · Post #818 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:09 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

Draft totally alters the ranking of this list. If we draft a big, obviously the guards/wings become priorities and vice versa.

Assuming everyone stays in place in terms of starters, Id love Pat Beverly off that list if it were possible.

Him,Butler,Embiid,Simmons would really give you a team that could be an elite, #1 defense in the NBA. He can play on and off ball, still defend at the 2 spot and compliment Ben or Butler being primary ball handlers with his shooting.
Draft a decent big (Ex:Dedric Lawson)
Draft a wing to pair with Zhaire off the bench
Stash a developmental Center in Delaware to develop with 1 of the 2nd's
Sign a veteran C to a 1 year min deal.

Love Ross, but he's getting paid IMO.

Doubt whoever they take at 24 impacts very much who they sign this summer. That guy isn’t getting earmarked playing time, if he earns it throughout the year great. Like when they took Shamet many thought he’d spend most of the year in Delaware.

100% agree.....but if you really like a player, you can kinda get a feel for how they MAY fit if they pan out. With an expected cap inflation Id think they have to realize that getting production from cheap/young players is going to be essential.

EX: If they were to love someone like Cam Johnson (an upperclassmen, shooter with some size to play 3/4) Id imagine this would somewhat impact their decision on spending money on someone like Mike Scott compared to addressing a backup Guard role.

youngcrev · Post #819 » by **youngcrev** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:10 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Rank 'em as full MLE targets (I expect most of these guys to end up getting more):
Terrence Ross
Dewayne Dedmon
Darren Collison
Patrick Beverly
Bojan Bogdanovic
Thad Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Danny Green
Rudy Gay
Trevor Ariza
Jeremy Lamb

1. Pat Beverly
2. Danny Green
3. Dewayne Dedmon
4. Terrence Ross
5. Bojan Bogdanovic
6. Al-Farouq Aminu
7. Rudy Gay
8. Thad Young

Interested but definitely not at the full midlevel:
1. Darren Collison
2. Trevor Ariza
3. Jeremy Lamb

We should add Cory Joseph to the list too.

Thought about it (and Nerlens) but wasn't sure either were full MLE candidates

Post #820 » by **BullyKing** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:12 pm

youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
1. Pat Beverly
2. Danny Green
3. Dewayne Dedmon
4. Terrence Ross
5. Bojan Bogdanovic
6. Al-Farouq Aminu
7. Rudy Gay
8. Thad Young

Interested but definitely not at the full midlevel:
1. Darren Collison
2. Trevor Ariza
3. Jeremy Lamb

We should add Cory Joseph to the list too.

Thought about it (and Nerlens) but wasn't sure either were full MLE candidates

FWIW, there was a thread on the T&T board discussing the center market and there were some pretty convincing arguments that Noel isn't going to be that highly in demand and the flooded center market will leave a decent number of options to pick up on the cheap.