Ben Simmons Trade Thread

Post #801 » by **Stanford** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:06 pm

PhilaOwnsBoston wrote:Where is all this SGA stuff coming from? And I don't see a rebuilding team taking on Simmons' massive contract.

We'd be sending Ben to a third team for additional assets to send to OKC.

PhillyNj · Post #802 » by **PhillyNj** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:37 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Friendly reminder that Dame's contract is one of the worst in the entire league and would ruin this decade of Sixers basketball if we acquire it.

Dead wrong. Lillard is worth every penny. If the didn’t have max salery numbers he’d be getting paid even more.
Morley go get him.

Slacktard · Post #803 » by **Slacktard** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Friendly reminder that Dame's contract is one of the worst in the entire league and would ruin this decade of Sixers basketball if we acquire it.

Friendly reminder the Sixers franchise has had two players in the last 30 year for blips of basketball relevancy. AI and Embiid. This current team is relevant for as long as Embiid is a top player. Simmons post-Embiid is not carrying this franchise. We gonna eventuallybe on a contender to mediocre 7-12 place shuffle(with a Simmons as the best player).

There is no reason to not do everything possible to win in the next few seasons.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #804 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:08 pm

I don't see Damian Lillard falling off of a cliff. I think he's a player that can have play at an extremely high level into his mid to late thirties like Chris Paul. Everyone said Paul fell off a cliff during his last year in Houston. The thing about both Lillard and Paul is that they love to play basketball more than anything in the world. Lillard doesn't need to be the most athletically gifted player on the floor. In fact, I doubt he ever really is. But on most nights he IS the best basketball player on the floor. He's also a shooter and a natural scorer. The guy can play well into his thirties if he wants to. The thing is, I don't know that we have what it takes to get him. This would start with Simmons and probably cost both Thybulle and Maxey and a first round pick or two. I think doing business with Portland for the services of Lillard is going to be extremely complicated because I don't think we have what they would want in return.

Sportfan73 · Post #805 » by **Sportfan73** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:25 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I don't see Damian Lillard falling off of a cliff. I think he's a player that can have play at an extremely high level into his mid to late thirties like Chris Paul. Everyone said Paul fell off a cliff during his last year in Houston. The thing about both Lillard and Paul is that they love to play basketball more than anything in the world. Lillard doesn't need to be the most athletically gifted player on the floor. In fact, I doubt he ever really is. But on most nights he IS the best basketball player on the floor. He's also a shooter and a natural scorer. The guy can play well into his thirties if he wants to. The thing is, I don't know that we have what it takes to get him. This would start with Simmons and probably cost both Thybulle and Maxey and a first round pick or two. I think doing business with Portland for the services of Lillard is going to be extremely complicated because I don't think we have what they would want in return.

Disagree, if they want max value they get a Simmons+ a ton package from us like 3 firsts 3 swaps maxey and thybulle. Then they let Ben build his value for a year and decide if they want to keep him, he inevitably kills it surrounded by shooters and they flip him for another massive package

Post #806 » by **Stanford** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:36 pm

How many players in NBA history have played at an extremely high level in their late 30s? None?

Post #807 » by **sixers hoops** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:45 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:
PhilaOwnsBoston wrote:

Read on Twitter

If Morey can't find a way, fire him.

I think we can put the top package on the board. Ben, maxey, thybulle, 3 firsts, 3 swaps, and if need be Curry to a third team for another first. Say GS for 14?

I believe we can do 2021, 2023, and 2027, plus swaps in 22, 24, 26.

I don’t see Curry getting you a mid first. He is best suited as a bench player. He did have a great playoffs and has two manageable seasons left on his contract, but it might be more realistic to add Maxey since he likely would have to go.

Simmons
Maxey
Maybe Thybulle or Shake
Firsts: 2021, 2023, 2027
Swaps: 2022, 2024, 2026

We would be gutting any chance of rebuilding for a long time, but to get a star like Lillard will take a huge offer.

We would have a respectable starting lineup:
Lillard
Curry
Green (re-sign)
Harris
Embiid

Maybe we still have Thybulle or Shake. Furkan. Reed. Morey would have to get some good free agent value.

Post #808 » by **Stanford** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:51 pm

I wouldn't trust Doc to lead that team to a title

Kobblehead · Post #809 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:55 pm

We'd still get blasted by the Nets and we'd be unwatchable by 2025.

XtremeDunkz · Post #810 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:58 pm

Id try to get RoCo in the deal if we are giving up the farm.

Post #811 » by **sixers hoops** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:00 am

Stanford wrote:How many players in NBA history have played at an extremely high level in their late 30s? None?

Are we talking about Lillard? He will be 34 when his contract ends, not late 30s. I think the Sixers will be trading for him knowing they only have 3 or 4 years for Embiid and Lillard to win a title before it all collapses. They will prob have moved on and be ready for a rebuild before Lillard turns 35.

Not sure if 3 firsts, 3 swaps, Ben, Maxey, and Thybulle or whoever gets it done, but if they think they can win over the next three or four years with Lillard and Embiid, go for it.

Lillard, Embiid, Tobias, Seth, and Milton/Thybulle would leave us struggling to build a championship roster around the core.

The Nets had Durant playing out of his mind, but got zero from their bench in game 7, which was a killer, especially with Harden hurt and Irving out. The Sixers would have a similarly thin roster left if they trade for Lillard. And if the experiment fails, they are the Nets from 2015 with no lottery picks for years.

I’m good with whatever Morey decides.

SixthStreet · Post #812 » by **SixthStreet** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:02 am

I don't understand these Lillard godfather packages like he's Harden. He's not even close to as impactful as Harden is.

Post #813 » by **sixers hoops** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:04 am

Kobblehead wrote:We'd still get blasted by the Nets and we'd be unwatchable by 2025.

In general, teams that trade six years of their draft board come to regret it. With an often injured center and a 31 year old point guard, it could fall apart very quickly and we are the post-Billy King Nets.

eyeatoma · Post #814 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:05 am

Kobblehead wrote:We'd still get blasted by the Nets and we'd be unwatchable by 2025.

Who cares... Embiid might be out of the league by then.

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cool93 · Post #815 » by **cool93** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:06 am

SixthStreet wrote:I don't understand these Lillard godfather packages like he's Harden. He's not even close to as impactful as Harden is.

Simmons isn't nearly as valuable as he was before this playoffs. Ben + a lot of picks isn't a godfather offer, we'd be lucky if Portland takes that.

ProcessDoctor · Post #816 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:44 am

Stanford wrote:How many players in NBA history have played at an extremely high level in their late 30s? None?

Late 30's? None I can think of. Mid-30's? Plenty.

Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Mike Conley (33 this season), Kyle Lowry (fell off this season at 34).

The best counter-arguments are IT and Kemba.

ProcessDoctor · Post #817 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:45 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:We'd still get blasted by the Nets and we'd be unwatchable by 2025.
Who cares... Embiid might be out of the league by then.

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Legit nothing matters except tanking once Embiid's gone.

Kobblehead · Post #818 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 am

So let's hang onto our picks and draft a creation core to help lighten his offensive load.

Maxey plus more dribble penetrators equals success.

Kobblehead · Post #819 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:We'd still get blasted by the Nets and we'd be unwatchable by 2025.
Who cares... Embiid might be out of the league by then.

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Legit nothing matters except tanking once Embiid's gone.

Tanking for what? All our picks will be gone.

SixthStreet · Post #820 » by **SixthStreet** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:52 am

You can't tank if you trade draft control for 7 years to overpay for a "star" now. You'd have to try to do what the Nets did before they got Durant and Irving, which was headed straight for the treadmill if they didn't get lucky in free agency. The Sixers are never going to be a free agent destination so you better be real careful in trading draft control for more than a half decade. Lillard ain't that guy.