Joel: unchained.

[TeamHigh]

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

Let's compare this "sensational Giannis" vs the last time Embiid was mostly healthy in the playoffs. And if you're going to tell me that he's "never healthy" after he got elbowed in the face after being mostly healthy the previous 3 playoff runs, I'm just going to ignore you.

Sensational Giannis: 31.7/14.2/6.8 on 55.2 TS% with a +6.59 +/- average.

"Not a championship caliber #1" Embiid: 28.1/10.5/3.5 on 63.1 TS% with a +11.0 +/- average. And that's with the game where he left after 11 minutes thrown in.

If that's him "showing no leadership" or "disappearing" then you must have some really wacky standards. The dude had to deal with Ben Simmons being a fake #2 his entire career. You know, the guy who actually disappears in the playoffs to hide in the dunker's spot? The guy who the Raptors and the Hawks basically ignored so they could focus more attention on stopping Embiid? Who is that player for Giannis?

And considering Pascal Siakam's elbow in a 30 point blowout is the freakiest of freak accidents, I'm not going to read too much in him rushing back to try to win us some games in that Heat series. If anything, the fact that he rushed back to play with 3 potentially season ending injuries shows the "leadership" you claim he doesn't have.

So go ahead, trade him and watch us suck for the next half decade (at least), while he tears up the league in a competent organization/scheme, because of how many flaws the dude papers over for our Tobias Harris-sized mismanagement of a roster. Sounds like a great idea, Mr. Sixers fan.

[elchengue20]

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

Let's compare this "sensational Giannis" vs the last time Embiid was mostly healthy in the playoffs. And if you're going to tell me that he's "never healthy" after he got elbowed in the face after being mostly healthy the previous 3 playoff runs, I'm just going to ignore you.

Sensational Giannis: 31.7/14.2/6.8 on 55.2 TS% with a +6.59 +/- average.

"Not a championship caliber #1" Embiid: 28.1/10.5/3.5 on 63.1 TS% with a +11.0 +/- average. And that's with the game where he left after 11 minutes thrown in.

If that's him "showing no leadership" or "disappearing" then you must have some really wacky standards. The dude had to deal with Ben Simmons being a fake #2 his entire career. You know, the guy who actually disappears in the playoffs to hide in the dunker's spot? The guy who the Raptors and the Hawks basically ignored so they could focus more attention on stopping Embiid? Who is that player for Giannis?

And considering Pascal Siakam's elbow in a 30 point blowout is the freakiest of freak accidents, I'm not going to read too much in him rushing back to try to win us some games in that Heat series. If anything, the fact that he rushed back to play with 3 potentially season ending injuries shows the "leadership" you claim he doesn't have.

So go ahead, trade him and watch us suck for the next half decade (at least), while he tears up the league in a competent organization/scheme, because of how many flaws the dude papers over for our Tobias Harris-sized mismanagement of a roster. Sounds like a great idea, Mr. Sixers fan.

I stopped reading at "the last time he was mostly healthy" in the Playoffs lol.

I love Jojo, i liked a lot his demenaor today, his passing and shot selection.

Let's hope he can do it when it counts this year. If not, trading him it's starting to be an option. It's just the reality of the situation, like it or not.

[TeamHigh]

I stopped reading at "the last time he was mostly healthy" in the Playoffs lol.

I love Jojo, i liked a lot his demenaor today, his passing and shot selection.

Let's hope he can do it when it counts this year. If not, trading him it's starting to be an option. It's just the reality of the situation, like it or not.

"I didn't read your post but wanted to get in the last word anyway" is not the flex you think it is. It's just weird.

He was reasonably healthy in 21, 20, and 19? Sounds like a strange thing to harp on, considering getting elbowed by Siakam is the very definition of a freak injury. I guess Giannis wasn't healthy in his championship season either, by the same logic.

If you trade him it's because the team will be stuck in limbo with zero assets to get better, not because he's not a championship level #1. If he hasn't shown you he's a championship level #1 by now, he simply won't. You can deal him and watch him be a championship level #1 for someone else.

[Bum Adebayo]

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

Let's compare this "sensational Giannis" vs the last time Embiid was mostly healthy in the playoffs. And if you're going to tell me that he's "never healthy" after he got elbowed in the face after being mostly healthy the previous 3 playoff runs, I'm just going to ignore you.

Sensational Giannis: 31.7/14.2/6.8 on 55.2 TS% with a +6.59 +/- average.

"Not a championship caliber #1" Embiid: 28.1/10.5/3.5 on 63.1 TS% with a +11.0 +/- average. And that's with the game where he left after 11 minutes thrown in.

If that's him "showing no leadership" or "disappearing" then you must have some really wacky standards. The dude had to deal with Ben Simmons being a fake #2 his entire career. You know, the guy who actually disappears in the playoffs to hide in the dunker's spot? The guy who the Raptors and the Hawks basically ignored so they could focus more attention on stopping Embiid? Who is that player for Giannis?

And considering Pascal Siakam's elbow in a 30 point blowout is the freakiest of freak accidents, I'm not going to read too much in him rushing back to try to win us some games in that Heat series. If anything, the fact that he rushed back to play with 3 potentially season ending injuries shows the "leadership" you claim he doesn't have.

So go ahead, trade him and watch us suck for the next half decade (at least), while he tears up the league in a competent organization/scheme, because of how many flaws the dude papers over for our Tobias Harris-sized mismanagement of a roster. Sounds like a great idea, Mr. Sixers fan.

I stopped reading at "the last time he was mostly healthy" in the Playoffs lol.

I love Jojo, i liked a lot his demenaor today, his passing and shot selection.

Let's hope he can do it when it counts this year. If not, trading him it's starting to be an option. It's just the reality of the situation, like it or not.

No it's just YOUR reality and fantasy, the reality of an Embiid hater.

[Bum Adebayo]

Haters can't accept the fact that Embiid is amazing and easily the best thing that has happened since Iverson. Too bad we will have Joel Embiid for years

[elchengue20]

Let's compare this "sensational Giannis" vs the last time Embiid was mostly healthy in the playoffs. And if you're going to tell me that he's "never healthy" after he got elbowed in the face after being mostly healthy the previous 3 playoff runs, I'm just going to ignore you.

Sensational Giannis: 31.7/14.2/6.8 on 55.2 TS% with a +6.59 +/- average.

"Not a championship caliber #1" Embiid: 28.1/10.5/3.5 on 63.1 TS% with a +11.0 +/- average. And that's with the game where he left after 11 minutes thrown in.

If that's him "showing no leadership" or "disappearing" then you must have some really wacky standards. The dude had to deal with Ben Simmons being a fake #2 his entire career. You know, the guy who actually disappears in the playoffs to hide in the dunker's spot? The guy who the Raptors and the Hawks basically ignored so they could focus more attention on stopping Embiid? Who is that player for Giannis?

And considering Pascal Siakam's elbow in a 30 point blowout is the freakiest of freak accidents, I'm not going to read too much in him rushing back to try to win us some games in that Heat series. If anything, the fact that he rushed back to play with 3 potentially season ending injuries shows the "leadership" you claim he doesn't have.

So go ahead, trade him and watch us suck for the next half decade (at least), while he tears up the league in a competent organization/scheme, because of how many flaws the dude papers over for our Tobias Harris-sized mismanagement of a roster. Sounds like a great idea, Mr. Sixers fan.

I stopped reading at "the last time he was mostly healthy" in the Playoffs lol.

I love Jojo, i liked a lot his demenaor today, his passing and shot selection.

Let's hope he can do it when it counts this year. If not, trading him it's starting to be an option. It's just the reality of the situation, like it or not.

No it's just YOUR reality and fantasy, the reality of an Embiid hater.

Lol, go look at my post history, never been an Embiid hater, i always loved his game and potential.

But the truth is the truth, he has to improve, let's see this postseason how it goes.

Im a Sixers fan, not an Embiid fan, i will say what i think its better for us to win a championship, thats the end goal.

[ankle420breaker]

I actually thought that body shot against Giannis was a growth moment for Joel.

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[Bum Adebayo]

I stopped reading at "the last time he was mostly healthy" in the Playoffs lol.

I love Jojo, i liked a lot his demenaor today, his passing and shot selection.

Let's hope he can do it when it counts this year. If not, trading him it's starting to be an option. It's just the reality of the situation, like it or not.

No it's just YOUR reality and fantasy, the reality of an Embiid hater.

Lol, go look at my post history, never been an Embiid hater, i always loved his game and potential.

But the truth is the truth, he has to improve, let's see this postseason how it goes.

Im a Sixers fan, not an Embiid fan, i will say what i think its better for us to win a championship, thats the end goal.

Yeah trading Embiid for picks is the way to win a championship, well, maybe 1 out of 5 times it will work due to getting a real stud in the draft, the other 4 out of 5 times good luck lol

[TeamHigh]

Lol, go look at my post history, never been an Embiid hater, i always loved his game and potential.

But the truth is the truth, he has to improve, let's see this postseason how it goes.

Im a Sixers fan, not an Embiid fan, i will say what i think its better for us to win a championship, thats the end goal.

You think trading him for picks is going to better help this team win a championship? How did that work out for Orlando when they traded Dwight? Teams rarely get equal value back for trading a superstar. The reality is that championships are hard to win and it's never on one guy.

The fact you used one phrase out of context to avoid reading a post pointing out your hypocrisy for calling one player "sensational" for posting similar numbers on much worse efficiency and arguably less impact than the guy you deemed "not a championship level #1" shows you're a hater, or at least a very unreasonable person.

The team has barely any NBA level wings the last few years, to the point where Danny Green (a guy benched in the playoffs at his last team) was far and away their best option, and somehow that's the center's fault?

Since you love that Giannis run so much, you really think Playoff Ben, Tobi, and Seth is a better supporting cast then Middleton, Jrue, and Brook? Or hobbled Harden, 2nd year Maxey, and Tobi is better? You must be a really big Tobias Harris fan...

[Bum Adebayo]

It's not only about being better or not, the difference in terms of fit is night and day. Ben and Harris were bad to horrific fits with Embiid.

[76ciology]

It's not only about being better or not, the difference in terms of fit is night and day. Ben and Harris were bad to horrific fits with Embiid.

Tobias was almost the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben.

Tobias would have been the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben living up to his potential..

Tobias was the upgraded version of Dario Saric.

You need a scorer with Ben. Not a heavy PnR guard for it will offend Ben’s ego. Not a heavy ISO wing for it will hurt Embiid’s MVP chances.

But replace Ben with post prime LeBron, then you have a wing who can run your halfcourt offense while helping Biid with deflections and rebounding. Post prime LeBron was what this stupid FO (and some people here) thought Ben would be.

BUT without Ben, Tobias is a bad fit with Embiid.
Because Tobias not being a good rebounder and help defender at the 4 is getting exposed.

Tobias at the 4 with Ben at the 3 is similar to Paul George at the 3 and Marcus Morris at the 4.

This is why deep inside a lot is in denial that we need to play with a lengthy athletic wing. That is Ben.

[76ciology]

Any top players can be godly when they’re rolling.

For instance, Klay is struggling right now, but he can drop 37pts in a quarter.

But your value is how good are you at your worst and how good you are on the toughest competition when it matters.

Specially when the team is designed for you to anchor both ends of the floor.

Greatness is about CONSISTENCY.

[Bum Adebayo]

Greatness is about a superstar not being paired with trash every single game, give Embiid players that fit with him for once!

[76ciology]

Greatness is about a superstar not being paired with trash every single game, give Embiid players that fit with him for once!

Greatness is about consistency. If you are a great player, you are only as good as your worst performance and how good you are on the toughest competitions when it truly matter.

And if you dont ask that from your top player, you’ll just turn him into a charmee that will blame anyone and makes ton of excuse. Im not saying he is.

Btw, we have the most talented team this season and always had one of the most talented teams since 2018-2019 onwards.

Im not saying Biid is not great. Im just saying he needs to be more consistent.

Dont you want Embiid to be more consistent?

Dont you want less lethargic performance from Embiid?

Dont you want Embiid to be reliable on a do or die game?

We all want the same thing

[76ciology]

Could this be year the year for the Sixers to win the championship?

“Depends on Joel Embiid”

I’ve heard it countless of time already and I dont blame them for having that sentiment

Have you heard “depending on the guys around Joel Embiid”?

If someone asks “could this be the year for the warriors”? “Could this be the year for the Mavs”?

Do you hear people questioning Steph or Luka?

That’s when people say “that depends on the guys around Steph”..

[eyeatoma]

Greatness is about a superstar not being paired with trash every single game, give Embiid players that fit with him for once!

Gotta say even though you got a schtick with flip flopping between being a hater and then repping the guys, you have definitely spouted some truth on Embiid recently.

[LeonJordanJr24]

It's not only about being better or not, the difference in terms of fit is night and day. Ben and Harris were bad to horrific fits with Embiid.

Tobias was almost the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben.

Tobias would have been the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben living up to his potential..

Tobias was the upgraded version of Dario Saric.

You need a scorer with Ben. Not a heavy PnR guard for it will offend Ben’s ego. Not a heavy ISO wing for it will hurt Embiid’s MVP chances.

But replace Ben with post prime LeBron, then you have a wing who can run your halfcourt offense while helping Biid with deflections and rebounding. Post prime LeBron was what this stupid FO (and some people here) thought Ben would be.

BUT without Ben, Tobias is a bad fit with Embiid.
Because Tobias not being a good rebounder and help defender at the 4 is getting exposed.

Tobias at the 4 with Ben at the 3 is similar to Paul George at the 3 and Marcus Morris at the 4.

This is why deep inside a lot is in denial that we need to play with a lengthy athletic wing. That is Ben.

I agree but now the perfect fit is a athletic 4 who can stretch , enforce and finish above the rim .


Tucker / house and Thybulle and whatever is cool at the 3.

[TeamHigh]

It's not only about being better or not, the difference in terms of fit is night and day. Ben and Harris were bad to horrific fits with Embiid.

Tobias was almost the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben.

Tobias would have been the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben living up to his potential..

Tobias was the upgraded version of Dario Saric.

You need a scorer with Ben. Not a heavy PnR guard for it will offend Ben’s ego. Not a heavy ISO wing for it will hurt Embiid’s MVP chances.

But replace Ben with post prime LeBron, then you have a wing who can run your halfcourt offense while helping Biid with deflections and rebounding. Post prime LeBron was what this stupid FO (and some people here) thought Ben would be.

BUT without Ben, Tobias is a bad fit with Embiid.
Because Tobias not being a good rebounder and help defender at the 4 is getting exposed.

Tobias at the 4 with Ben at the 3 is similar to Paul George at the 3 and Marcus Morris at the 4.

This is why deep inside a lot is in denial that we need to play with a lengthy athletic wing. That is Ben.

The idea of Tobias is the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben. The actual player Tobias is not a perfect fit on any contender, unless he's making fifteen million a year or less and used as a half decent bench creator (plot twist, he's not). Let's not forget Jerry West, a pretty good executive, offered Tobias a 4 year $80 million dollar deal, which Tobi turned down and West decided to unload him instead. Twenty million is about the limit of Tobi's actual value. Having him at 35m+ just handicaps roster construction to an almost irrecoverable level.

The guy doesn't really do anything at a plus level. He's an average wing catch and shoot shooter, he's an average isolation scorer, he's an average passer, a below average rebounder for his position, and a tweener on defense who's decent guarding bigger, slower wings but not good at guarding down onto quicker guards. He's not really a playmaker.

Now don't get me wrong, to be average at a bunch of things at the NBA level is hard and is worthy of rotational minutes, but it's simply not a star by any means. The problem is that when you do have plus level players, your need for your role players becomes more and more specific. For instance, if we had a healthy Harden, Embiid, and Maxey, if we could design a perfect complementary player for them, it would probably be an elite 3&D wing or motion shooter. They may not be as talented as Tobias overall, but the things they are good at, they're clearly very good at. Again, that doesn't describe Tobi.

Contenders rarely need more mediocre jack of all trades, they need impact players within their specific roles to surround their high impact superstars.

Do you hear people questioning Steph or Luka?

That’s when people say “that depends on the guys around Steph”..

Uhh... yeah it depends on the guys around Steph. Did you forget that 2 seasons ago, Steph barely made the play-in and lost despite putting up some of his best numbers? Turns out the even superstar guys need good complementary players in a team sport. Who knew?

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

It's not only about being better or not, the difference in terms of fit is night and day. Ben and Harris were bad to horrific fits with Embiid.

Tobias was almost the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben.

Tobias would have been the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben living up to his potential..

Tobias was the upgraded version of Dario Saric.

You need a scorer with Ben. Not a heavy PnR guard for it will offend Ben’s ego. Not a heavy ISO wing for it will hurt Embiid’s MVP chances.

But replace Ben with post prime LeBron, then you have a wing who can run your halfcourt offense while helping Biid with deflections and rebounding. Post prime LeBron was what this stupid FO (and some people here) thought Ben would be.

BUT without Ben, Tobias is a bad fit with Embiid.
Because Tobias not being a good rebounder and help defender at the 4 is getting exposed.

Tobias at the 4 with Ben at the 3 is similar to Paul George at the 3 and Marcus Morris at the 4.

This is why deep inside a lot is in denial that we need to play with a lengthy athletic wing. That is Ben.

The idea of Tobias is the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben. The actual player Tobias is not a perfect fit on any contender, unless he's making fifteen million a year or less and used as a half decent bench creator (plot twist, he's not). Let's not forget Jerry West, a pretty good executive, offered Tobias a 4 year $80 million dollar deal, which Tobi turned down and West decided to unload him instead. Twenty million is about the limit of Tobi's actual value. Having him at 35m+ just handicaps roster construction to an almost irrecoverable level.

The guy doesn't really do anything at a plus level. He's an average wing catch and shoot shooter, he's an average isolation scorer, he's an average passer, a below average rebounder for his position, and a tweener on defense who's decent guarding bigger, slower wings but not good at guarding down onto quicker guards. He's not really a playmaker.

Now don't get me wrong, to be average at a bunch of things at the NBA level is hard and is worthy of rotational minutes, but it's simply not a star by any means. The problem is that when you do have plus level players, your need for your role players becomes more and more specific. For instance, if we had a healthy Harden, Embiid, and Maxey, if we could design a perfect complementary player for them, it would probably be an elite 3&D wing or motion shooter. They may not be as talented as Tobias overall, but the things they are good at, they're clearly very good at. Again, that doesn't describe Tobi.

Contenders rarely need more mediocre jack of all trades, they need impact players within their specific roles to surround their high impact superstars.

Do you hear people questioning Steph or Luka?

That’s when people say “that depends on the guys around Steph”..

Uhh... yeah it depends on the guys around Steph. Did you forget that 2 seasons ago, Steph barely made the play-in and lost despite putting up some of his best numbers? Turns out the even superstar guys need good complementary players in a team sport. Who knew?

Who knew?

Who knew Andrew Wiggins, who was once the +/- laughing stock. Famous for those 0 rebs 0 assists 0 stocks statline become a championship caliber player? My point? Tobias can be a championship caliber player if Biid and Ben lived up to their hype.

LeBron won the championship with Kuzma as the team’s third best player.

Let’s say you have PJ Tucker, who’s this generation’s version of Robert Horry, in the place of Tobias. He won’t fit Biid and Ben, because the duo needs scoring because Ben isn’t giving that. And how many times have Biid needs to sitout or goes thru the emotion that you need A LOT of scoring to fill the hole?

Regarding Steph..

Everyone knows what to expect from Steph. And when he has a bad game, he still provides gravity that frees up other guys on offense while he does not have any negative affect on defense.

Listening to Pelton and KOC talk about Warriors. They dont question steph, but rather, they question Klay.

For the Bucks, they dont question Giannis, but they question Bucks’s depth. If Giannis has bad game, he still gives his 100% on defense. Running the court, blocking shots, crashing the boards. Can you say the same thing with Embiid?

For Sixers, always has been “depends on Joel Embiid”.
Why is that?

I know you are a big fan of Embiid. But don’t you want Embiid to be consistent and reliable on big games?

Im a Sixers fan first. And a lot of this team’s success hinges on Embiid. This is why I want Embiid to be great, and he can only be great if you demand consistency and reliability from him.

I want to win the championship, and it all depends on how CONSISTENT and RELIABLE Embiid is.

[Bum Adebayo]

Spoiler:

Tobias was almost the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben.

Tobias would have been the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben living up to his potential..

Tobias was the upgraded version of Dario Saric.

You need a scorer with Ben. Not a heavy PnR guard for it will offend Ben’s ego. Not a heavy ISO wing for it will hurt Embiid’s MVP chances.

But replace Ben with post prime LeBron, then you have a wing who can run your halfcourt offense while helping Biid with deflections and rebounding. Post prime LeBron was what this stupid FO (and some people here) thought Ben would be.

BUT without Ben, Tobias is a bad fit with Embiid.
Because Tobias not being a good rebounder and help defender at the 4 is getting exposed.

Tobias at the 4 with Ben at the 3 is similar to Paul George at the 3 and Marcus Morris at the 4.

This is why deep inside a lot is in denial that we need to play with a lengthy athletic wing. That is Ben.

The idea of Tobias is the perfect fit with Embiid and Ben. The actual player Tobias is not a perfect fit on any contender, unless he's making fifteen million a year or less and used as a half decent bench creator (plot twist, he's not). Let's not forget Jerry West, a pretty good executive, offered Tobias a 4 year $80 million dollar deal, which Tobi turned down and West decided to unload him instead. Twenty million is about the limit of Tobi's actual value. Having him at 35m+ just handicaps roster construction to an almost irrecoverable level.

The guy doesn't really do anything at a plus level. He's an average wing catch and shoot shooter, he's an average isolation scorer, he's an average passer, a below average rebounder for his position, and a tweener on defense who's decent guarding bigger, slower wings but not good at guarding down onto quicker guards. He's not really a playmaker.

Now don't get me wrong, to be average at a bunch of things at the NBA level is hard and is worthy of rotational minutes, but it's simply not a star by any means. The problem is that when you do have plus level players, your need for your role players becomes more and more specific. For instance, if we had a healthy Harden, Embiid, and Maxey, if we could design a perfect complementary player for them, it would probably be an elite 3&D wing or motion shooter. They may not be as talented as Tobias overall, but the things they are good at, they're clearly very good at. Again, that doesn't describe Tobi.

Contenders rarely need more mediocre jack of all trades, they need impact players within their specific roles to surround their high impact superstars.

Do you hear people questioning Steph or Luka?

That’s when people say “that depends on the guys around Steph”..

Uhh... yeah it depends on the guys around Steph. Did you forget that 2 seasons ago, Steph barely made the play-in and lost despite putting up some of his best numbers? Turns out the even superstar guys need good complementary players in a team sport. Who knew?

For Sixers, always has been “depends on Joel Embiid”.
Why is that?

Because he was the only one that was a star here, aside from Butler, easy to understand, the other guys are and were not dependable.