2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[GabeCerebro]

I just can't wait until the draft. I still think Isaac could be the guy we draft at 3 after hearing BC say whoever he drafts at 3 will be able to shoot but I hope it's Ball or Jackson. I like Isaac so if BC does pick him I will understand the pick. Ball just has that factor to uplift people and Jackson has that dog in him and I love that about both of them.

Issac isn't going 3rd. Shouldn't even go top 5. His "hype" needs to stop.

[LongLiveHinkie]

When the dust settles, I think this draft will be very chalky. Just like most trade deadlines are. Like 3 days before every trade deadline there is always talk about amazing players being dealt and most often it never happens. I think this draft will be very similar. Fultz, Ball, Jackson. Just like everyone thought on May 16th at 9 pm.

I think Sixers fans or NBA fans hoping for a curveball are going to be disappointed, but we'll see.

[timLH]

When the dust settles, I think this draft will be very chalky. Just like most trade deadlines are. Like 3 days before every trade deadline there is always talk about amazing players being dealt and most often it never happens. I think this draft will be very similar. Fultz, Ball, Jackson. Just like everyone thought on May 16th at 9 pm.

I think Sixers fans or NBA fans hoping for a curveball are going to be disappointed, but we'll see.

I can see this happening too, and I am 100% satisfied with it.

[76ciology]

Let's say Celts and Lakers hold unto their picks. I think it would be smart to use our third for Paul George or Jimmy Butler, given that we have their commitment for around a max extension.

[Unbreakable99]

Let's say Celts and Lakers hold unto their picks. I think it would be smart to use our third for Paul George or Jimmy Butler, given that we have their commitment for around a max extension.

I don't trust George to stay. If I had to trust one player it would be Butler because he's under contract for about 5 more years or something like that. I like George better but I woukd only trade for Butler because his contract is better for us.

[76ciology]

Let's say Celts and Lakers hold unto their picks. I think it would be smart to use our third for Paul George or Jimmy Butler, given that we have their commitment for around a max extension.

I don't trust George to stay. If I had to trust one player it would be Butler because he's under contract for about 5 more years or something like that. I like George better but I woukd only trade for Butler because his contract is better for us.

Yeah. I'd be fine with either one of them.

Either we let Celts and Lakers take advantage and let us get the left over of the top 3 or we take advantage of the situation and get PG ot JB. Thats one way to look at it.

[76ciology]

At this point, I have Fultz, Ball and Jackson on the same tier. And this is me after staying like a week off on draft talks. I just don't see a clear cut advantage when everything is considered. The loser here is the team with a number one pick, where he's likely to get an inferior prospect compared to most 1st overall picks.

[Unbreakable99]

At this point, I have Fultz, Ball and Jackson on the same tier. And this is me after staying like a week off on draft talks. I just don't see a clear cut advantage when everything is considered. The loser here is the team with a number one pick, where he's likely to get an inferior prospect compared to most 1st overall picks.

Shhh. Don't say that too loud. It would make Fultz fans angry and Boston fans will say you only say that because we don't have the top pick. You must accept Fultz is the best player.

[timLH]

At this point, I have Fultz, Ball and Jackson on the same tier. And this is me after staying like a week off on draft talks. I just don't see a clear cut advantage when everything is considered. The loser here is the team with a number one pick, where he's likely to get an inferior prospect compared to most 1st overall picks.

But they get that #1 cheap from Billy King.

[76ciology]

At this point, I have Fultz, Ball and Jackson on the same tier. And this is me after staying like a week off on draft talks. I just don't see a clear cut advantage when everything is considered. The loser here is the team with a number one pick, where he's likely to get an inferior prospect compared to most 1st overall picks.

But they get that #1 cheap from Billy King.

Yeah, probably it's basketball gods way of enforcing justice

[76ciology]

At this point, I have Fultz, Ball and Jackson on the same tier. And this is me after staying like a week off on draft talks. I just don't see a clear cut advantage when everything is considered. The loser here is the team with a number one pick, where he's likely to get an inferior prospect compared to most 1st overall picks.

Shhh. Don't say that too loud. It would make Fultz fans angry and Boston fans will say you only say that because we don't have the top pick. You must accept Fultz is the best player.

I could be wrong. But until now the celts,fultz&fans aren't seeing a clear cut lead of Fultz as no.1 and compared to most #1 picks, he kind of fall short of it as a prospect.

[76ciology]

Fultz and Ball are like Conley and Kyrie.

Any team would LOVE to have them. But you don't like to be that team that has to use a top 3 pick to select them because of BPA. You'd want a potential superstar player to use that top 3 pick for.

And nobody is talking about this because everyone is caught up with the draft. But once the hype subsides, that is what most will realize.

[76ciology]

Among all the NBA positions, guards are toughest to produce a superstar impact because of their limitations in length in covering space. That's why you see a lot of borderline PGs floating around like Jrue, Conley and Kemba. While you see Paul George and Jimmy Butler overachieving.

Who really cares about Lowry right? He can dominate RPM and sh*t all he wants. But come play-offs he won't have the counter punches to throw unlike most forwards, who are basically hybrid guard-bigs.

Fultz, his lack of motor will limit him in being a superstar. Lonzo, his lack of volume scoring will limit in being a superstar. That's how I see it right now. Again, very very good players but you want a top 2 pick to have a chance to be a superstar.

[SelfishPlayer]

Great interview with Metta World Peace. He says that a reason that NBA GMs are selecting so many busts is that they are often fooled by the player that has been "held back." The held back player is one that is older and more physically mature than people in his class. These players are intentionally held back a grade by their parents/handlers so that they can dominate their competition in a way that they wouldn't had they never been held back. When that player makes it to the NBA their game falls apart because they are use to operating with this advantage. That advantage doesn't exist amongst the best vets in the world. The 20 year old Josh Jackson's name was brought up by the interviewer... So these older held back players are "ringers."

Watch on YouTube

[76ciology]

Great interview with Metta World Peace. He says that a reason that NBA GMs are selecting so many busts is that they are often fooled by the player that has been "held back." The held back player is one that is older and more physically mature than people in his class. These players are intentionally held back a grade by their parents/handlers so that they can dominate their competition in a way that they wouldn't had they never been held back. When that player makes ut to the NBA their game falls apart because they are use to operating with this advantage. That advantage doesn't exist amongst the best vets in the world. The 20 year old Josh Jackson's name was brought up by the interviewer... So these older held back players are "ringers."

Watch on YouTube

I don't get that impression with Josh Jackson. Doesn't seem like he plays like he is a more advanced player or because of his seniority.

Most of the guys that fall in this category are the heavy skillset guys or guys who are far more developed than others like Evan Turner & McDermott.

[SelfishPlayer]

Great interview with Metta World Peace. He says that a reason that NBA GMs are selecting so many busts is that they are often fooled by the player that has been "held back." The held back player is one that is older and more physically mature than people in his class. These players are intentionally held back a grade by their parents/handlers so that they can dominate their competition in a way that they wouldn't had they never been held back. When that player makes ut to the NBA their game falls apart because they are use to operating with this advantage. That advantage doesn't exist amongst the best vets in the world. The 20 year old Josh Jackson's name was brought up by the interviewer... So these older held back players are "ringers."

Watch on YouTube

I don't get that impression with Josh Jackson. Doesn't seem like he plays like he is a more advanced player or because of his seniority.

Most of the guys that fall in this category are the heavy skillset guys like Evan Turner & McDermott.

He played power forward and center for Kansas but is projected to be a wing in the NBA, think long and hard...

[76ciology]

Great interview with Metta World Peace. He says that a reason that NBA GMs are selecting so many busts is that they are often fooled by the player that has been "held back." The held back player is one that is older and more physically mature than people in his class. These players are intentionally held back a grade by their parents/handlers so that they can dominate their competition in a way that they wouldn't had they never been held back. When that player makes ut to the NBA their game falls apart because they are use to operating with this advantage. That advantage doesn't exist amongst the best vets in the world. The 20 year old Josh Jackson's name was brought up by the interviewer... So these older held back players are "ringers."

Watch on YouTube

I don't get that impression with Josh Jackson. Doesn't seem like he plays like he is a more advanced player or because of his seniority.

Most of the guys that fall in this category are the heavy skillset guys like Evan Turner & McDermott.

He played power forward and center for Kansas but is projected to be a wing in the NBA, think long and hard...

So you also love his versatility that is heavily valued in the NBA?

Play him with BS, RoCo & Embiid and that can play a big positionless line-up.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't get that impression with Josh Jackson. Doesn't seem like he plays like he is a more advanced player or because of his seniority.

Most of the guys that fall in this category are the heavy skillset guys like Evan Turner & McDermott.

He played power forward and center for Kansas but is projected to be a wing in the NBA, think long and hard...

So you also love his versatility that is heavily valued in the NBA?

You call it versatility, I call it not shocking for a 20 year old freshman... Now will his 207lb body be able to play PF and center against 240lb grown men, or will his game fall apart like what was detailed in the video? Since you're some kind of fan of Josh Jackson's you will say, "but he's really a wing anyway," but in reality that is not what he displayed at Kansas. He was afforded the ability to be the sidekick of the NCAA men's basketball player of the year while being guarded by less gifted players at the college PF and C positions. You never see Josh Jackson in the triple threat position, and he's rarely guarded by perimeter players. People are operating off of a projection with Josh Jackson. What's going to happen when he has to be a full time perimeter player guarded by guys he has no clear physical/talent advantage against? In High School Josh Jackson had every advantage over his compitition, in college he had "mismatch" advantage, in the NBA what will he have?

[76ciology]

He played power forward and center for Kansas but is projected to be a wing in the NBA, think long and hard...

So you also love his versatility that is heavily valued in the NBA?

You call it versatility, I call it not shocking for a 20 year old freshman... Now will his 207lb body be able to play PF and center against 240lb grown men, or will his game fall apart like what was detailed in the video? Since you're some kind of fan of Josh Jackson's you will say, "but he's really a wing anyway," but in reality that is not what he displayed at Kansas. He was afforded the ability to be the sidekick of the NCAA men's basketball player of the year while being guarded by less gifted players at the college PF and C positions. You never see Josh Jackson in the triple threat position, and he's rarely guarded by perimeter players. People are operating off of a projection with Josh Jackson. What's going to happen when he has to be a full time perimeter player guarded by guys he has no clear physical/talent advantage against? In High School Josh Jackson had every advantage over his compitition, in college he had "mismatch" advantage, in the NBA what will he have?

At SG, size.
At PF, quickness.
At SF, combination of size, athleticism, skillset and quickness that only few can match.

Upside? Development of his skillset that he has good fundamentals with.

[SelfishPlayer]

So you also love his versatility that is heavily valued in the NBA?

You call it versatility, I call it not shocking for a 20 year old freshman... Now will his 207lb body be able to play PF and center against 240lb grown men, or will his game fall apart like what was detailed in the video? Since you're some kind of fan of Josh Jackson's you will say, "but he's really a wing anyway," but in reality that is not what he displayed at Kansas. He was afforded the ability to be the sidekick of the NCAA men's basketball player of the year while being guarded by less gifted players at the college PF and C positions. You never see Josh Jackson in the triple threat position, and he's rarely guarded by perimeter players. People are operating off of a projection with Josh Jackson. What's going to happen when he has to be a full time perimeter player guarded by guys he has no clear physical/talent advantage against? In High School Josh Jackson had every advantage over his compitition, in college he had "mismatch" advantage, in the NBA what will he have?

At SG, size.
At PF, quickness.
At SF, combination of size, athleticism, skillset and quickness that only few can match.

207 lb NBA PF? Good luck buddy...