Markelle Fultz Discussion

[76ciology]

Unbreakapurple

UnbreakaBALL

UnbearaBALL

LaBreakaBALL

[LordCovington33]

UnbreakaBALL

UnbearaBALL

LaBreakaBALL

LetsHaveABreakFromBALL

[eagereyez]

Stay in yo lane and leave the Big Baller UnbreakaBall alone.

[Xpressure]

And if you can't win with Rubio or Rondo how do you expect to win with Ball? Same logic applies.

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No it doesn't because neither Rubio nor Rondo can shoot. I'm certainly not saying that if you have a true point guard then you will win. I'm saying that if you don't have a true point guard then you won't. Its a necessary condition of winning, but not a sufficient one.

You can win without a true point guard as long as someone else is running the team though, like what Lebron does for Irving, or what Jordan and Pipped did.

I'm not saying that you can't win with Smith. You just can't win with him running the offense.

When we originally still had the #3 pick I was hoping to get Ball, or either Tatum/Fox if he wasn't there, so I've watched a lot of UCLA, Duke, Kentucky games. Not just highlights, but actual games. I've watched as many SL games as possible that had all the top draft picks too.

Ball is more like Jason Kidd as in he also rebounds and pushes the ball. He also outlets the ball like a QB which he actually does much more consistently than even Kidd. But he also shoots and more importantly he can attack and finish around the basket something Rubio can't or has a hard time doing. Rubio is not a scoring threat. Only similarity Rubio has with Ball is his passing in half-court sets. Ball's overall passing is also on a different level, most NBA assist guys like Rondo, CP3, Westbrook (Fultz and Simmons also fit into this category), are players that "makes the extra pass" that "gets the assist" i.e. drive and kick, pick and roll, alley oops. Ball does all that but he is also a player who "sees a pass" and "creates an assist" that was not there. He is also able to accurately deliver it to the player 1 or 2 steps ahead, again like a QB. Can't really think of anyone to compare that too, because he does it a lot more and lot more consistent than even Kidd.

But after we traded for the #1, it's been all Fultz for me. He's a special player that can get his shot off on any defenses. He can weave through traffic and either score or make the extra pass. Imho, he's a perfect compliment to Simmons ala "LeBron/Kyrie". Ball would've been my close 2nd, but if we didn't already have Simmons then I'd probably would've preferred Ball.

[cksdayoff]

And if you can't win with Rubio or Rondo how do you expect to win with Ball? Same logic applies.

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No it doesn't because neither Rubio nor Rondo can shoot. I'm certainly not saying that if you have a true point guard then you will win. I'm saying that if you don't have a true point guard then you won't. Its a necessary condition of winning, but not a sufficient one.

You can win without a true point guard as long as someone else is running the team though, like what Lebron does for Irving, or what Jordan and Pipped did.

I'm not saying that you can't win with Smith. You just can't win with him running the offense.

When we originally still had the #3 pick I was hoping to get Ball, or either Tatum/Fox if he wasn't there, so I've watched a lot of UCLA, Duke, Kentucky games. Not just highlights, but actual games. I've watched as many SL games as possible that had all the top draft picks too.

Ball is more like Jason Kidd as in he also rebounds and pushes the ball. He also outlets the ball like a QB which he actually does much more consistently than even Kidd. But he also shoots and more importantly he can attack and finish around the basket something Rubio has a hard time doing. Rubio is not a threat to score. Only similarity Rubio has with Ball is his half-court passing and vision. Ball's passing is also on a different level, most NBA assist guys like Rondo, CP3, Westbrook (Fultz and Simmons also fit into this category), are players that "makes the extra pass" that "gets the assist" i.e. drive and kick, pick and roll, alley oops. Ball does all that but he is also a player who "sees a pass" and "creates an assist" that was not there. He is also able to accurately deliver it to the player 1 or 2 steps ahead, again like a QB. Can't really think of anyone to compare that too, because he does it a lot more and lot more consistent than even Kidd.

But after we traded for the #1, it's been all Fultz for me. He's a special player that can get his shot off on any defenses. He can weave through traffic and either score or make the extra pass. Imho, he's a perfect compliment to Simmons ala "LeBron/Kyrie". Ball would've been my close 2nd, but if we didn't already have Simmons then I'd probably would've preferred Ball.

you can sag off rondo because he can beat u off the dribble. lonzos not really gonna beat his man off the dribble but he'll kill u from 3

[Unbreakable99]

Not sure what's been happening to this board lately. It's become contrarian city. You have SelfishPlayer telling us Josh Jackson is an average athlete leading up to the draft. You have Unbreakable drooling over Ball every chance he gets. You have Lloyd being furious about the trade up for Fultz when almost every Sixers fan desired Fultz badly all year leading up to the lottery calling him the perfect fit for the Sixers.

What's next, is someone gonna tell us Embiid isn't that tall and is a poor defensive player, JJ Redick is an average 3 point shooter, and TJ McConnell will be next year's slam dunk champ?

I am just a big Ball fan and wanted him. It really irks me we passed on him. I just don't think Fultz is the type of player you trade up to get. There was a good chance he would have fallen to 3. If we stood pat at 3 and took Fultz then I would have been more ok with that. Now had we traded up to 1 to get Ball that would have been a better move imo. I know I'm going to continue to be pissed every time Ball gets triple doubles because we were ijnorime position to get him but we passed on him for Fultz.

[eyeatoma]

Not sure what's been happening to this board lately. It's become contrarian city. You have SelfishPlayer telling us Josh Jackson is an average athlete leading up to the draft. You have Unbreakable drooling over Ball every chance he gets. You have Lloyd being furious about the trade up for Fultz when almost every Sixers fan desired Fultz badly all year leading up to the lottery calling him the perfect fit for the Sixers.

What's next, is someone gonna tell us Embiid isn't that tall and is a poor defensive player, JJ Redick is an average 3 point shooter, and TJ McConnell will be next year's slam dunk champ?

I am just a big Ball fan and wanted him. It really irks me we passed on him. I just don't think Fultz is the type of player you trade up to get. There was a good chance he would have fallen to 3. If we stood pat at 3 and took Fultz then I would have been more ok with that. Now had we traded up to 1 to get Ball that would have been a better move imo. I know I'm going to continue to be pissed every time Ball gets triple doubles because we were ijnorime position to get him but we passed on him for Fultz.

Do you realize you've expressed this view incessantly? You're sounding like a broken record and are starting to get a reputation similar to some infamous past posters. We get you wanted Ball... Time to move on we don't have him. Can we please stop derailing every conversation so it ends up being about Ball? The mods have requested this too...


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[Xpressure]

Not sure what's been happening to this board lately. It's become contrarian city. You have SelfishPlayer telling us Josh Jackson is an average athlete leading up to the draft. You have Unbreakable drooling over Ball every chance he gets. You have Lloyd being furious about the trade up for Fultz when almost every Sixers fan desired Fultz badly all year leading up to the lottery calling him the perfect fit for the Sixers.

What's next, is someone gonna tell us Embiid isn't that tall and is a poor defensive player, JJ Redick is an average 3 point shooter, and TJ McConnell will be next year's slam dunk champ?

I am just a big Ball fan and wanted him. It really irks me we passed on him. I just don't think Fultz is the type of player you trade up to get. There was a good chance he would have fallen to 3. If we stood pat at 3 and took Fultz then I would have been more ok with that. Now had we traded up to 1 to get Ball that would have been a better move imo. I know I'm going to continue to be pissed every time Ball gets triple doubles because we were ijnorime position to get him but we passed on him for Fultz.

So if Fultz had been the #3 pick, you'd be okay? Sure anyone can make an argument that we didn't need to trade up to get Fultz especially when BOS/LAL allegedly wanted Tatum/Ball all along, but truth is we'll just never know. For all we know BOS would've still drafted Fultz #1 and tried to haggle with us or another team for more while we would've probably drafted Jackson, we'll just never know.

But it's time to look ahead otherwise you're going to be pissed a lot because Ball will get triple doubles, that's his game but that's not Fultz. We don't need Fultz to do that, we got him to score and score 20+ points a game. If Fultz can do that then we got what was advertised. Simmons will handle getting the triple doubles. If you look at my post I'm a fan of Ball's game too but the fact we already have Simmons made Fultz, in retrospect, the more reasonable choice.

[sixerswillrule]

Are people really surprised about the broken record? The guy literally had 500 posts two years ago complaining that we were rooting for the Miami Heat to lose instead of to win regarding their pick.

The ignore feature is there for a reason.

[CoreyGallagher]

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There. Was probably only thinking of Vegas at the time. Let's all just chill a bit.

[cksdayoff]

durant loves fultz, probably because they're from the same area and fultz's personal basketball coach trained durant too

[eagereyez]

Durant also loved Jimmer.

[Ericb5]

And if you can't win with Rubio or Rondo how do you expect to win with Ball? Same logic applies.

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No it doesn't because neither Rubio nor Rondo can shoot. I'm certainly not saying that if you have a true point guard then you will win. I'm saying that if you don't have a true point guard then you won't. Its a necessary condition of winning, but not a sufficient one.

You can win without a true point guard as long as someone else is running the team though, like what Lebron does for Irving, or what Jordan and Pipped did.

I'm not saying that you can't win with Smith. You just can't win with him running the offense.

When we originally still had the #3 pick I was hoping to get Ball, or either Tatum/Fox if he wasn't there, so I've watched a lot of UCLA, Duke, Kentucky games. Not just highlights, but actual games. I've watched as many SL games as possible that had all the top draft picks too.

Ball is more like Jason Kidd as in he also rebounds and pushes the ball. He also outlets the ball like a QB which he actually does much more consistently than even Kidd. But he also shoots and more importantly he can attack and finish around the basket something Rubio can't or has a hard time doing. Rubio is not a scoring threat. Only similarity Rubio has with Ball is his passing in half-court sets. Ball's overall passing is also on a different level, most NBA assist guys like Rondo, CP3, Westbrook (Fultz and Simmons also fit into this category), are players that "makes the extra pass" that "gets the assist" i.e. drive and kick, pick and roll, alley oops. Ball does all that but he is also a player who "sees a pass" and "creates an assist" that was not there. He is also able to accurately deliver it to the player 1 or 2 steps ahead, again like a QB. Can't really think of anyone to compare that too, because he does it a lot more and lot more consistent than even Kidd.

But after we traded for the #1, it's been all Fultz for me. He's a special player that can get his shot off on any defenses. He can weave through traffic and either score or make the extra pass. Imho, he's a perfect compliment to Simmons ala "LeBron/Kyrie". Ball would've been my close 2nd, but if we didn't already have Simmons then I'd probably would've preferred Ball.

What you say about Ball's passing ability is true, but it is also true of Simmons. They both see things that others don't and create things out of thin air for other people with their passing.

During the season I said that I thought Ball's passing was as good as Simmons', and nobody agreed with me. Now people are some how elevating him above Simmons.


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[LordCovington33]

Are people really surprised about the broken record? The guy literally had 500 posts two years ago complaining that we were rooting for the Miami Heat to lose instead of to win regarding their pick.

The ignore feature is there for a reason.

How do you ignore? Can guys quit quoting this guy? He is enjoying trolling for comments.

[LordCovington33]

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There. Was probably only thinking of Vegas at the time. Let's all just chill a bit.

Didn't he also forget the bulls pick?

[Misteclipse]

If we didn't have Simmons my first choice would have been Ball. He is the only true point guard of the top players, and he is the type of player that makes everyone else better.

You can't win with Smith as your point guard. If the Thunder can't do it with Westbrook then nobody will be able to do it with Smith.

You can't have scoring guards at the point unless someone else runs the offense.

On pure talent, I had Smith 4th or 5th jockeying with Tatum. I love the kid.

Had we gotten the Lakers pick this year Smith was my dream pick.


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And if you can't win with Rubio or Rondo how do you expect to win with Ball? Same logic applies.

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No it doesn't because neither Rubio nor Rondo can shoot. I'm certainly not saying that if you have a true point guard then you will win. I'm saying that if you don't have a true point guard then you won't. Its a necessary condition of winning, but not a sufficient one.

You can win without a true point guard as long as someone else is running the team though, like what Lebron does for Irving, or what Jordan and Pipped did.

I'm not saying that you can't win with Smith. You just can't win with him running the offense.

And Lonzo ball can shoot? Nope. Ball has no ability to attack the basket either like Rondo did. I can name tons of non true point guards that won. That would encompass nearly every PG the last 20 years. The only true point guard I recall winning was Rondo and he's done nothing since he lost 3 hall of famers to pass it to.

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[Misteclipse]

No it doesn't because neither Rubio nor Rondo can shoot. I'm certainly not saying that if you have a true point guard then you will win. I'm saying that if you don't have a true point guard then you won't. Its a necessary condition of winning, but not a sufficient one.

You can win without a true point guard as long as someone else is running the team though, like what Lebron does for Irving, or what Jordan and Pipped did.

I'm not saying that you can't win with Smith. You just can't win with him running the offense.

When we originally still had the #3 pick I was hoping to get Ball, or either Tatum/Fox if he wasn't there, so I've watched a lot of UCLA, Duke, Kentucky games. Not just highlights, but actual games. I've watched as many SL games as possible that had all the top draft picks too.

Ball is more like Jason Kidd as in he also rebounds and pushes the ball. He also outlets the ball like a QB which he actually does much more consistently than even Kidd. But he also shoots and more importantly he can attack and finish around the basket something Rubio can't or has a hard time doing. Rubio is not a scoring threat. Only similarity Rubio has with Ball is his passing in half-court sets. Ball's overall passing is also on a different level, most NBA assist guys like Rondo, CP3, Westbrook (Fultz and Simmons also fit into this category), are players that "makes the extra pass" that "gets the assist" i.e. drive and kick, pick and roll, alley oops. Ball does all that but he is also a player who "sees a pass" and "creates an assist" that was not there. He is also able to accurately deliver it to the player 1 or 2 steps ahead, again like a QB. Can't really think of anyone to compare that too, because he does it a lot more and lot more consistent than even Kidd.

But after we traded for the #1, it's been all Fultz for me. He's a special player that can get his shot off on any defenses. He can weave through traffic and either score or make the extra pass. Imho, he's a perfect compliment to Simmons ala "LeBron/Kyrie". Ball would've been my close 2nd, but if we didn't already have Simmons then I'd probably would've preferred Ball.

What you say about Ball's passing ability is true, but it is also true of Simmons. They both see things that others don't and create things out of thin air for other people with their passing.

During the season I said that I thought Ball's passing was as good as Simmons', and nobody agreed with me. Now people are some how elevating him above Simmons.


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They're completely different passers. The only thing they really have in common is rebounding and transition passing. Ball is nothing special at all as a half court passer because he's not a creator. He's essentially Draymond, waiting for a teammate to get open off a screen and hitting them. Ben Simmons attacks the basket and forces the defense to react, then finds the open guy the defense leaves open by collapsing or rotating

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[76ciology]

durant loves fultz, probably because they're from the same area and fultz's personal basketball coach trained durant too

Kobe and KD also likes Evan Turner so theres that

[Unbreakable99]

When we originally still had the #3 pick I was hoping to get Ball, or either Tatum/Fox if he wasn't there, so I've watched a lot of UCLA, Duke, Kentucky games. Not just highlights, but actual games. I've watched as many SL games as possible that had all the top draft picks too.

Ball is more like Jason Kidd as in he also rebounds and pushes the ball. He also outlets the ball like a QB which he actually does much more consistently than even Kidd. But he also shoots and more importantly he can attack and finish around the basket something Rubio can't or has a hard time doing. Rubio is not a scoring threat. Only similarity Rubio has with Ball is his passing in half-court sets. Ball's overall passing is also on a different level, most NBA assist guys like Rondo, CP3, Westbrook (Fultz and Simmons also fit into this category), are players that "makes the extra pass" that "gets the assist" i.e. drive and kick, pick and roll, alley oops. Ball does all that but he is also a player who "sees a pass" and "creates an assist" that was not there. He is also able to accurately deliver it to the player 1 or 2 steps ahead, again like a QB. Can't really think of anyone to compare that too, because he does it a lot more and lot more consistent than even Kidd.

But after we traded for the #1, it's been all Fultz for me. He's a special player that can get his shot off on any defenses. He can weave through traffic and either score or make the extra pass. Imho, he's a perfect compliment to Simmons ala "LeBron/Kyrie". Ball would've been my close 2nd, but if we didn't already have Simmons then I'd probably would've preferred Ball.

What you say about Ball's passing ability is true, but it is also true of Simmons. They both see things that others don't and create things out of thin air for other people with their passing.

During the season I said that I thought Ball's passing was as good as Simmons', and nobody agreed with me. Now people are some how elevating him above Simmons.


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They're completely different passers. The only thing they really have in common is rebounding and transition passing. Ball is nothing special at all as a half court passer because he's not a creator. He's essentially Draymond, waiting for a teammate to get open off a screen and hitting them. Ben Simmons attacks the basket and forces the defense to react, then finds the open guy the defense leaves open by collapsing or rotating

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Ben is a better attacker but Ball is special passing anywhere on the court. He's phenomenal in the half court as well. Ball is a wizard. He said just not flashy. He just makes basic passes but they are right where they need to be. Simmons is flashier but he's not a better passer imo. If Ball is a 10 at passing Simmons is a 9.

[Ericb5]

What you say about Ball's passing ability is true, but it is also true of Simmons. They both see things that others don't and create things out of thin air for other people with their passing.

During the season I said that I thought Ball's passing was as good as Simmons', and nobody agreed with me. Now people are some how elevating him above Simmons.


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They're completely different passers. The only thing they really have in common is rebounding and transition passing. Ball is nothing special at all as a half court passer because he's not a creator. He's essentially Draymond, waiting for a teammate to get open off a screen and hitting them. Ben Simmons attacks the basket and forces the defense to react, then finds the open guy the defense leaves open by collapsing or rotating

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Ben is a better attacker but Ball is special passing anywhere on the court. He's phenomenal in the half court as well. Ball is a wizard. He said just not flashy. He just makes basic passes but they are right where they need to be. Simmons is flashier but he's not a better passer imo. If Ball is a 10 at passing Simmons is a 9.

I agree that Ball is a transcendent passer, and a real difference maker, maybe even a superstar(although I'm not convinced yet), but Simmons is in the same class. They are both next gen passers.






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