Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[51X3RF4N]

I like the Dallas deal, but also San Antonio might be a willing partner?

Tobias and Shake, picks if necessary

For

Thad Young and Doug McDermott

Why for Philly? Get a stretch 4 in Doug McDermott who is, in my opinion, a better fit next to Embiid. Get out of the Harris contract. Bring in another vet big for when Embiid needs rest.

Why for SA? Tobias fits with the right team. Spurs remain competitive and trade away a disgruntled Thad Young. Shake gives them flexibility to move one of their other guards to get more value.

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[Kolkmania]

Harris is who he is, his statistical profile isn't that different to other years, the three is just not falling. Must say that I am a bit impressed with his passing this year, some lob passes to Drummond for example that surprised me.

In the end he's a strong, but rather slow, wing who has an ancient game. He loves to shoot fadeaway turnaround jumpers and 8 foot floaters over a smaller player. Tertiary offensive options for championship teams should be quicker decision makers in order to facilitate his teammates.

I don't think he's tradeable without attaching assets to him. Or we'd receive an even worse contract, but that wouldn't help us as well.
So I would bet on him being here after the trade deadline.

[Kolkmania]

I like the Dallas deal, but also San Antonio might be a willing partner?

Tobias and Shake, picks if necessary

For

Thad Young and Doug McDermott

Why for Philly? Get a stretch 4 in Doug McDermott who is, in my opinion, a better fit next to Embiid. Get out of the Harris contract. Bring in another vet big for when Embiid needs rest.

Why for SA? Tobias fits with the right team. Spurs remain competitive and trade away a disgruntled Thad Young. Shake gives them flexibility to move one of their other guards to get more value.

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Value-wise it could make sense. But the problem with these kind of trades is that Harris makes so much money that these kind of trades typically don't work.

[mjkvol]

So Tobi is now yelling at the home fans. No Ben Simmons to deflect from your massive shortcomings and bloated arse contract now.

Somebody please get a memo to Morey to ship that sorry arse outta here. Addition by subtraction.

Harris, Springer, PHI 1st lotto protected, and two future 2nds to DET for Grant and Olynyk.

It took a while for the reality of what Tobias is to get through to the casual fan base, but here we are. On a bad team, he's fine, a guy who will put up 20 & 8 in loss after loss. On a team with championship aspirations, it's suddenly midnight and the carriage has become a pumpkin. As was said above, no Ben to deflect the fans' attention is not working well forTobi.

[mjkvol]

So I would bet on him being here after the trade deadline.

There's still no evidence that he's even on the block, but negative fan reaction can sometimes be a lagging indicator. Let's hope that's the case here.

[Murray_17]

So Tobi is now yelling at the home fans. No Ben Simmons to deflect from your massive shortcomings and bloated arse contract now.

Somebody please get a memo to Morey to ship that sorry arse outta here. Addition by subtraction.

Harris, Springer, PHI 1st lotto protected, and two future 2nds to DET for Grant and Olynyk.

Why would Detroit do that?

[SixthStreet]

I think we are at the point that we'll be stuck with his contract until he's an expiring. Don't see anyone trading for him. He could end up being very valuable salary ballast at that point but a pain to watch him play basketball until then. For as much as everyone says Simmons is annoying to watch play I find Harris' game to be more infuriating to watch.

[mjkvol]

For as much as everyone says Simmons is annoying to watch play I find Harris' game to be more infuriating to watch.

And to me it isn't even close. At least Ben at his best is entertaining.

[76ers76ers]

Don't blame Tobias. The GM should of done more due diligence prior to signing that massive contract. Good for Tobias cashing in. I would too. Blame the GM or the strings in the front office for signing Tobias. Winners-Tobias and agent LOSER-Sixers front office. Now its up to Morey to be creative.

[GoSixersBro]

For as much as everyone says Simmons is annoying to watch play I find Harris' game to be more infuriating to watch.

And to me it isn't even close. At least Ben at his best is entertaining.

Agreed. However, in my opinion both Simmons and Harris are lost causes, just of different varieties. Not winning a title with either of them being your 2nd and 3rd best players.

[mjkvol]

Don't blame Tobias. The GM should of done more due diligence prior to signing that massive contract. Good for Tobias cashing in. I would too. Blame the GM or the strings in the front office for signing Tobias. Winners-Tobias and agent LOSER-Sixers front office. Now its up to Morey to be creative.

I don't believe anyone here blames Tobias even a little bit. I never begrudge a player for getting whatever he can during the few years he can do it as a player. I remember A-Rod getting hammered routinely when he signed that first $250 million deal, just because of the money. My take was always "are you going to refuse to sign that deal if it's put in front of you?" And the reality is that A-Rod was a bargain - he created attention for the Yankees, sold tickets and a ton of merchandise, put up numbers, and they won a Series with him.

The problem with Tobias is that even though you can't blame him for signing the deal, he isn't a needle mover but he makes needle mover money. Fans are naturally going to focus on the amount of cap space he occupies since he isn't anything resembling a difference maker and prevents the team from bringing in better players. It's Brand and Brown's fault, but it's Tobi that will take the hit.

[the_process]

Don't blame Tobias. The GM should of done more due diligence prior to signing that massive contract. Good for Tobias cashing in. I would too. Blame the GM or the strings in the front office for signing Tobias. Winners-Tobias and agent LOSER-Sixers front office. Now its up to Morey to be creative.

Agreed, can't blame Tobi for securing the bag.

We can blame him for sucking, though.

Speaking of which, did he address his temper tantrum after the game last night?

[Kobblehead]

Last night was the first time I thought a Harris trade might be possible. The front office has to take note of home crowd booing a player.

[mjkvol]

Don't blame Tobias. The GM should of done more due diligence prior to signing that massive contract. Good for Tobias cashing in. I would too. Blame the GM or the strings in the front office for signing Tobias. Winners-Tobias and agent LOSER-Sixers front office. Now its up to Morey to be creative.

Agreed, can't blame Tobi for securing the bag.

We can blame him for sucking, though.

Speaking of which, did he address his temper tantrum after the game last night?

Tobias thinks of and carries himself as a leader and elite player, one of the franchise cornerstones along with Embiid. He's probably shocked that he could be treated that way by the fans - hell, he might be perplexed as to why he hasn't gotten any "M-V-P" chants.

[GoSixersBro]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

[agiaco]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

Yeah, then it was fine. Especially with Butler. But now it's not really working. Hope Morey can move him at the deadline for a better fit. Going to be difficult.

[mjkvol]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

I wasn't crazy about the trade because I felt we just gave up too much, but signing him to that deal was GM malpractice, even at the time. It just reeked of desperation, and has haunted us ever since.

[stormi]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

I was pumped because that trade happened in the middle of the night after we had a huge win (i can't remember against who, but i was buzzing). And theoretically he was the perfect fourth cog on this roster. His shooting splits fooled me bad. It was the last time I took a player with elite percentages on shady volume seriously.

And he disgusted me in those first playoffs, I wholeheartedly still believe we lost the Raptors series because of that performance he put up in game 4 at home. Chance to go up 3-1 and put a stranglehold on the series, he shot like 2/13 from 3 and 7/23 from the field in a game we lost by just 5 points. With numerous chances to put that game away he just turned into salesman of the year. Zero takeover ability.

From then on I had a bad taste in my mouth, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more season. Maybe he just needed some more time to gel and be allowed to play his game in an expanded role. He has a solid regular season (still irked by his playstyle, still gave him the benefit of the doubt) and then his performance against Boston was just shocking. Humiliated in a sweep against our biggest rivals, Embiid fighting for his life out there, and Harris just looking completely out of his element. He looked like a player on a 10 day. Not scoring, can't beat anyone off the dribble, doesn't wanna shoot, can't play defense. From that point on I was done with him.

I'll be smiling from the innermost part of my soul the day he finally leaves my team.

[76ciology]

The secret sauce in Tobias’ scoring is transition points and running PnR.

Transition: Without Ben, he has to rebound the ball. We are dead last in rebounding. And we play with a much slower pace this year.
Lst yr: 18%
Ths yr: 13.3%

PnR: Tyrese Maxey is eating a lot of his PnR possessions. Maxey is one of the league’s better PnR players.
Lst yr: 24%
Ths yr: 16.5%

*percentage of total possessions

So how to deal with this for Tobi?
Be a better roll man or attack smaller defenders if they switch. If he can’t roll efficiently then just pop for mid range jumpers.

So how to deal with this for Sixers?
Without Ben and with Maxey, it makes Tobi a big liability. You’re better off with someone like Niang at PF which atleast can space the floor or Reed at PF who can roll hard, rebound and play defense.

Shorten his minutes with the starting unit and let him run a ton of PnR with the second unit (instead of Shake or Kork) and also push the ball with the second unit with Thybulle for deflections and drummond for rebound.

[the_process]

The secret sauce in Tobias’ scoring is transition points and running PnR.

Transition: Without Ben, he has to rebound the ball. We are dead last in rebounding. And we play with a much slower pace this year.
Lst yr: 18%
Ths yr: 13.3%

PnR: Tyrese Maxey is eating a lot of his PnR possessions. Maxey is one of the league’s better PnR players.
Lst yr: 24%
Ths yr: 16.5%

*percentage of total possessions

So how to deal with this for Tobi?
Be a better roll man or attack smaller defenders if they switch. If he can’t roll efficiently then just pop for mid range jumpers.

So how to deal with this for Sixers?
Without Ben and with Maxey, it makes Tobi a big liability. You’re better off with someone like Niang at PF which atleast can space the floor or Reed at PF who can roll hard, rebound and play defense.

Shorten his minutes with the starting unit and let him run a ton of PnR with the second unit (instead of Shake or Kork) and also push the ball with the second unit with Thybulle for deflections and drummond for rebound.

We’ve seen Tobi with the 2nd unit. It usually leads to the other team going on a big run.

It should be difficult to say no to any deal for Tobias that didn’t involve Westbrook.