The Tomjas Thread

[Tomjas]

I dont know why people say Ben-Fox trade makes sense..

Haliburton and Mitchell aren’t good fit for Ben.
Bagley and Ben are redundant.

Pretty sure that they want Ben & Fox

Meanwhile, Bagley can’t even get a game

[SixthStreet]

Not sure why people are talking themselves out of Fox all the sudden. That's the guy that actually makes this mix of players viable in the postseason. All these other rumored guys can't get to the line. Murray better than Fox? That's so wrong that it's not even debatable.

Fox will kill it here when that deal happens. Been saying it for months in this forum that it makes too much sense.

[76ciology]

I dont know why people say Ben-Fox trade makes sense..

Haliburton and Mitchell aren’t good fit for Ben.
Bagley and Ben are redundant.

Pretty sure that they want Ben & Fox

Meanwhile, Bagley can’t even get a game

Ben and Fox aren’t also good fits. If im the Kings, I can’t see how Ben is a better fit than Haliburton to Fox.

Hell… I dont even see how Ben is a better fit than Hield or Barbes to Fox.

[76ciology]

In my humble opinion, the most likely destination for Ben are the Wolves and Blazers. Only these two teams would kill to get Ben.

The only reason why Kings and Spurs are suddenly in the spotlight is.. fans are getting hyped with Dejounte Murray’s play with Spurs CLEARLY inflating his numbers while the fans also think Fox is a buy low opportunity. Which I believe in reality, our FO wouldnt even consider Murray and Kings FO wouldnt even consider trading Fox for Ben.

[Tomjas]

I dont know why people say Ben-Fox trade makes sense..

Haliburton and Mitchell aren’t good fit for Ben.
Bagley and Ben are redundant.

Pretty sure that they want Ben & Fox

Meanwhile, Bagley can’t even get a game

Ben and Fox aren’t also good fits. If im the Kings, I can’t see how Ben is a better fit than Haliburton to Fox.

Hell… I dont even see how Ben is a better fit than Hield or Barbes to Fox.

Defence & distribution

They were the worst defence in the NBA and picked Mitchell for that reason

Fox isn’t a great passer either

[BoogieTime]

Fox would be a huge gamble, and he has been terrible this year

My position has always been the same, I'd prefer to keep Hali AND Mitchell to Fox.

He's talented but a low motor player who needs inspiring. He doesn't impose any will on games.

As a Kings fan I have equal questions about Simmons game though, especially seeing the Sixers perform without him.

Still, if I'm the Sixers I'd take the sure thing, even if its less talented, in an improved Murray package

[76ciology]

Here’s something to think about..

We OBVIOUSLY want a top tier scorer like Dame and Harden.

Why?

Because we need a guy who can take over the game when Biid is out or not feeling it. Or just to help Biid to create shots in crunch time.

What if we just get a guy who can do that but in low volume of possessions instead? That would be more realistic to acquire.

Like if u look at Manu Ginobili, he probably wont be that good if he’s playing for the Rockets playing PnR like James Harden. But Manu can be great with his role with the Spurs, playing off the bench and helping TD and the rest of the guys down the stretch.

For instance.. why not just go for a guy like Jordan Clarkson (i know he’s not available) or Anfernee Simons instead?

We’re playing well without a ball dominant PG anyway. Why not build with that? Then down the stretch, opponents wouldnt know how will kill them such as what weve seen in the Bulls game. Kork scoring like Reggie Miller in his prime, Maxey too fast for the defender to chase off an Embiid screen for him to take elbow shots or drive to the basket, Tobi doing his thing whatever that is then we have this guy who can do some high PPP on ISO on low volume.

For example..
cole anthony 1.2ppp
Jordan clarkson 1.2ppp
Anfernee simons 1.17ppp
Dinwiddie 1.09ppp
Jalen Brunson 1.00 ppp
*add picks to make up the difference in value

[Tomjas]

In my humble opinion, the most likely destination for Ben are the Wolves and Blazers. Only these two teams would kill to get Ben.

The only reason why Kings and Spurs are suddenly in the spotlight is.. fans are getting hyped with Dejounte Murray’s play with Spurs CLEARLY inflating his numbers while the fans also think Fox is a buy low opportunity. Which I believe in reality, our FO wouldnt even consider Murray and Kings FO wouldnt even consider trading Fox for Ben.

None of those teams are suddenly in the spotlight though

Some made inquiries months ago including them

People are just speculating again now that season is underway

[76ciology]

Fox would be a huge gamble, and he has been terrible this year

My position has always been the same, I'd prefer to keep Hali AND Mitchell to Fox.

He's talented but a low motor player who needs inspiring. He doesn't impose any will on games.

As a Kings fan I have equal questions about Simmons game though, especially seeing the Sixers perform without him.

Still, if I'm the Sixers I'd take the sure thing, even if its less talented, in an improved Murray package

We’d take that gamble.

I dont see us high on Hali. Quite a hot take..

Hali is a good player. I like him during the draft, his numbers checked out for me. He can make us a better team.

But he’s not the guy we need. We need an efficient scorer where we can give him the ball when we need buckets.

In terms of needs, we’d prefer Anfernee Simons over Haliburton. But overall as a player, Haliburton is way better than Simons.

Haliburton will make us a better regular season team, which we always are good at. But Anfernee Simons makes us a better team in crunch time, when we struggled the most.

Fox is too good to pass up for me, its actually an asymmetric bet for us IMO. Upside is super high relative to risk.

[DCasey91]

Here’s something to think about..

We OBVIOUSLY want a top tier scorer like Dame and Harden.

Why?

Because we need a guy who can take over the game when Biid is out or not feeling it. Or just to help Biid to create shots in crunch time.

What if we just get a guy who can do that but in low volume of possessions instead? That would be more realistic to acquire.

Like if u look at Manu Ginobili, he probably wont be that good if he’s playing for the Rockets playing PnR like James Harden. But Manu can be great with his role with the Spurs, playing off the bench and helping TD and the rest of the guys down the stretch.

For instance.. why not just go for a guy like Jordan Clarkson (i know he’s not available) or Anfernee Simons instead?

We’re playing well without a ball dominant PG anyway. Why not build with that? Then down the stretch, opponents wouldnt know how will kill them such as what weve seen in the Bulls game. Kork scoring like Reggie Miller in his prime, Maxey too fast for the defender to chase off an Embiid screen for him to take elbow shots or drive to the basket, Tobi doing his thing whatever that is then we have this guy who can do some high PPP on ISO on low volume.

For example..
cole anthony 1.2ppp
Jordan clarkson 1.2ppp
Anfernee simons 1.17ppp
Dinwiddie 1.09ppp
Jalen Brunson 1.00 ppp
*add picks to make up the difference in value

94/95 Rockets as soon as we get our Drexler we are good to go.

We have Maxey, Milton, Curry, Kork, Niang as our artillery on the outside

Now we need our sure second stud.

All for bringing in more to upgrade say Simons for Milton that type of deal or something like that.

Fox is meh, Murray with Vassel/White is fine. Brown is fantastic, Ingram might be enough if Harris is gone.

Harris is actually is just as big of a problem as Ben is.

Siakam is interesting though...maybe not, maybe so but he does have legit champ experience but wasn’t the second best player just second best scorer. Seems like a SF version of Harris albeit with defense but it’s literally spin move or wonky jumper lol.

G: Murray/White/Simons/Pritchard
W: Brown/Ingram/Siakam?/Barnes/Vassell/KCP
Switch 3/4: Crowder/Olynyk/Gallo

Can’t really see anyone else to pry from imo realistically.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Here’s something to think about..

We OBVIOUSLY want a top tier scorer like Dame and Harden.

Why?

Because we need a guy who can take over the game when Biid is out or not feeling it. Or just to help Biid to create shots in crunch time.

What if we just get a guy who can do that but in low volume of possessions instead? That would be more realistic to acquire.

Like if u look at Manu Ginobili, he probably wont be that good if he’s playing for the Rockets playing PnR like James Harden. But Manu can be great with his role with the Spurs, playing off the bench and helping TD and the rest of the guys down the stretch.

For instance.. why not just go for a guy like Jordan Clarkson (i know he’s not available) or Anfernee Simons instead?

We’re playing well without a ball dominant PG anyway. Why not build with that? Then down the stretch, opponents wouldnt know how will kill them such as what weve seen in the Bulls game. Kork scoring like Reggie Miller in his prime, Maxey too fast for the defender to chase off an Embiid screen for him to take elbow shots or drive to the basket, Tobi doing his thing whatever that is then we have this guy who can do some high PPP on ISO on low volume.

For example..
cole anthony 1.2ppp
Jordan clarkson 1.2ppp
Anfernee simons 1.17ppp
Dinwiddie 1.09ppp
Jalen Brunson 1.00 ppp
*add picks to make up the difference in value

94/95 Rockets as soon as we get our Drexler we are good to go.

We have Maxey, Milton, Curry, Kork, Niang as our artillery on the outside

Now we need our sure second stud.

All for bringing in more to upgrade say Simons for Milton that type of deal or something like that.

Fox is meh, Murray with Vassel/White is fine. Brown is fantastic, Ingram might be enough if Harris is gone.

Harris is actually is just as big of a problem as Ben is.

Siakam is interesting though...maybe not, maybe so but he does have legit champ experience but wasn’t the second best player just second best scorer. Seems like a SF version of Harris albeit with defense but it’s literally spin move or wonky jumper lol.

G: Murray/White/Simons/Pritchard
W: Brown/Ingram/Siakam?/Barnes/Vassell/KCP
Switch 3/4: Crowder/Olynyk/Gallo

Can’t really see anyone else to pry from imo realistically.

Murray doesnt fit what we need.

Like I said, I need an efficient bucket getter. If i can’t get a high volume efficient bucket getter then I think we’d be OK with a low volume bucket getter.

Spoiler:

ISO
COLE anthony 1.2ppp
Jordan clarkson 1.2ppp
Anfernee simons 1.17ppp
Dinwiddie 1.09ppp
Jalen Brunson 1.00 ppp

Then the other team just pay the difference in value with picks, just so we have margin for error.

And no, not the Rockets squad. The blueprint is the recent spurs team that won the championship where the league is reverting from its averaging 112ORtg peak last season to its mean.

Collective dribble drive with shooting and collective defense with 1 high volume go to guy and another low or high volume go to guy.

[76ciology]

Just gonna post it here since ATL thread is locked

Cavs roster very similar with Spain’s roster. Double big with double high sets. Garland reminds me of Navarro back then.

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[Wilfried]

I really can't see what De'Aaron Fox would bring to the team, that Tyrese Maxey isn't or can't and what would justify the 28 million per year differential in salary.

[Jhawk03]

I really can't see what De'Aaron Fox would bring to the team, that Tyrese Maxey isn't or can't and what would justify the 28 million per year differential in salary.

Yeah but what about Murray?? and he's cheaper

[DCasey91]

76ciology who is Fox guarding?

Both Maxey and Curry for that matter can’t start. We are not championship level on defense and our offense still needs a 2.

Worst case is this:

We are stuck with Harris for the duration
And we are stuck with Fox putting up 23/6 on poor splits in playoffs being a net negative

So essentially two/thirds of our biggest contracts brings in zero return to our team. We are then stuck in same position as before. 2 max contracts who aren’t worth paying top dollar.

I don’t know how people think Fox works with Embiid. He simply doesn’t or I can’t see it.

Murray by definition allows Curry to start. Cheaper contract too and does more for us. Fox by definition forces Maxey and Curry out of the starting team and the bench is finally fine and doesn’t need anymore excess.

Legit Maxey is heading towards Fox anyway on his own trajectory. No overlaps please

Simons on the otherhand is a CJ 2.0 or close to it for us. At minimum he’s a better Milton because he can bomb all day and has no conscious and his trigger is KORKGOD lightning quick.

Dude stroked 8/8 in 15mins last season and the Blazers have given him a raw setting have a look at the pecking order as I mentioned last season when I wanted him for Thybulle (now Milton instead). I reckon 20% of his receives is literally 8 secs left on the shot clock when CJ/Dame soaks it all up then passes to him and says to the kid well we can’t score have a go. Exactly what Tobias does lol

He set a NBA record of 13 made 3’s in a row off the bench.

So it’s like this:

Curry/Simons/Korkmaz as our nuke PG/SG/Wing. Doc finds which one is hotter than the sun and ride them until they cool off. Law of averages will tell you one will go off. All of them can sink 5 made threes in a flash. Instead of “score creating” it’s a missile system Ala Klay getting hot. We’ve seen our irrational of a nuke shooter KORKGOD is and Seth is a consistent Nuke just add one more to the table.

Stretch 3/4 bomba Niang + Gallo for example and that gives us endless threats to stretch the opponents defense way beyond its perimeters.

Heat dominated with a less dominant center. Did you see how much gravity Embiid brought vs the Bulls? he’s never had that much space in his life.

Why? Because you can’t leave any of the 4 others alone or pay the highest consequence.

I’m adamant Murray is a better fit then Fox, and Simons is better for us than Milton.

[DCasey91]

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76ciology these are the guys who you are talking about.

Comes with that low iso/self score package while always taking out one defender from the play.

Gallo low key cooked us big time. Career 46% shots taken from deep and draws fouls better than Harris. My boi Simons took bloody 70% of his shots from deep last season (nice little one on one with Maxey twice in the clips).

A stretch 4 is ultra important too.

I want that damn Italian rooster and better CJ asap!

[Tomjas]

I am not surprised that Fox production has fallen off as people can now play defence, he’s not big enough to ride the bumps and his jumper isn’t great

Murray brings similar level of offence in current environment plus a massive upgrade in defence at half the price

No brainer if they’re your 2 best options

[Jhawk03]

76ciology who is Fox guarding?

Both Maxey and Curry for that matter can’t start. We are not championship level on defense and our offense still needs a 2.

Worst case is this:

We are stuck with Harris for the duration
And we are stuck with Fox putting up 23/6 on poor splits in playoffs being a net negative

So essentially two/thirds of our biggest contracts brings in zero return to our team. We are then stuck in same position as before. 2 max contracts who aren’t worth paying top dollar.

I don’t know how people think Fox works with Embiid. He simply doesn’t or I can’t see it.

Murray by definition allows Curry to start. Cheaper contract too and does more for us. Fox by definition forces Maxey and Curry out of the starting team and the bench is finally fine and doesn’t need anymore excess.

Legit Maxey is heading towards Fox anyway on his own trajectory. No overlaps please

Simons on the otherhand is a CJ 2.0 or close to it for us. At minimum he’s a better Milton because he can bomb all day and has no conscious and his trigger is KORKGOD lightning quick.

Dude stroked 8/8 in 15mins last season and the Blazers have given him a raw setting have a look at the pecking order as I mentioned last season when I wanted him for Thybulle (now Milton instead). I reckon 20% of his receives is literally 8 secs left on the shot clock when CJ/Dame soaks it all up then passes to him and says to the kid well we can’t score have a go. Exactly what Tobias does lol

He set a NBA record of 13 made 3’s in a row off the bench.

So it’s like this:

Curry/Simons/Korkmaz as our nuke PG/SG/Wing. Doc finds which one is hotter than the sun and ride them until they cool off. Law of averages will tell you one will go off. All of them can sink 5 made threes in a flash. Instead of “score creating” it’s a missile system Ala Klay getting hot. We’ve seen our irrational of a nuke shooter KORKGOD is and Seth is a consistent Nuke just add one more to the table.

Stretch 3/4 bomba Niang + Gallo for example and that gives us endless threats to stretch the opponents defense way beyond its perimeters.

Heat dominated with a less dominant center. Did you see how much gravity Embiid brought vs the Bulls? he’s never had that much space in his life.

Why? Because you can’t leave any of the 4 others alone or pay the highest consequence.

I’m adamant Murray is a better fit then Fox, and Simons is better for us than Milton.

I'm gonna coattail. A lot of what we're seeing out of Embiid early, barely acknowledges this aspect. The black hole that teams (coaches) were accustomed to seeing and scouting for vs the Sixers doesn’t exist anymore. That's the gravity that Embiid has to adjust for.

Now both things can be true, but for now, Embiid has to change his habits, because he has different opportunities to attack the basket that he didn't have before offensively especially with the rules being a bit different now... on the other hand It should be obvious he's working on adjusting defensively instead from his subpar offensive rating... he's adjusting to the other hole because it was never an issue in the past.

It's like if you were on a sinking ship, would you be more comfortable shopping for a new ship while sinking, or would you first try to plug the holes on the ship you set sail and perhaps salvage it?

[Tomjas]

Okay so Kyrie

Another psycho plus he’s a team cancer and not exactly durable

HOWEVER, he’s a generational talent and light years above Fox and Murray

We’re also dealing with a GM who traded Chris Paul for Westbrook because star hunting is his thing

I wouldn’t do it but would be entertaining while it lasted

[Foshan]

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I dont know why people say Ben-Fox trade makes sense..

Haliburton and Mitchell aren’t good fit for Ben.
Bagley and Ben are redundant.

I dont think anyone cares about Bagley's fit with Ben.