Where is Bob Covington?

[Sixerscan]

How'd that defense look against Boston ? Look that up.

Still pretending you're not a hater lol?

I'm not. But its damn close to being a fact that he played well during Boston series, we win it. Fans tend to grow sour on players when they shrink in the biggest moments. Other fans will defend a player they "like" thru a 20 game "bad stretch" of throwing up bricks every night. Seems pretty straight forward IMO.
I'm not saying hes awful(although he was in Boston), but this team needs a more well rounded player at SF. Which I am sure they are working on.

If Simmons plays well we might win it.

If Redick, Belinelli and Ilyasova shoot their normal percentages we might win it.

Brown could have made some more adjustments.

Heck Embiid could have played better.

Laying it all on Covington is unfair imo and hating frankly.

I'd love a more well rounded player. Obviously though that guy would cost more than $10 million next year. You can't have 5 guys on max contracts. You're singling out him versus upgrading Redick or Dario or the bench. Just seems like hating.

I don't think you mean a well rounded player though. I think you mean a star. Just weird to hate on a guy for not being a star when he's an undrafted free agent getting paid barely over the league average.

And don't act like this is just the Celtics series we can go back in this thread and you saying this all year.

[Sixerscan]

Also I'm not going to make excuses for the guy but he did have surgery on his hand last week.

[sixerswillrule]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

[gdog2004]

Still pretending you're not a hater lol?

I'm not. But its damn close to being a fact that he played well during Boston series, we win it. Fans tend to grow sour on players when they shrink in the biggest moments. Other fans will defend a player they "like" thru a 20 game "bad stretch" of throwing up bricks every night. Seems pretty straight forward IMO.
I'm not saying hes awful(although he was in Boston), but this team needs a more well rounded player at SF. Which I am sure they are working on.

If Simmons plays well we might win it.

If Redick, Belinelli and Ilyasova shoot their normal percentages we might win it.

Brown could have made some more adjustments.

Heck Embiid could have played better.

Laying it all on Covington is unfair imo and hating frankly.

I'd love a more well rounded player. Obviously though that guy would cost more than $10 million next year. You can't have 5 guys on max contracts. You're singling out him versus upgrading Redick or Dario or the bench. Just seems like hating.

I don't think you mean a well rounded player though. I think you mean a star. Just weird to hate on a guy for not being a star when he's an undrafted free agent getting paid barely over the league average.

And don't act like this is just the Celtics series we can go back in this thread and you saying this all year.

Fair points. Its not all his fault, but he certainly played well below his norm. If he played great D on someone, ANYONE, you wouldn't hear a peep from me despite his lack of scoring. And I ragged on him earlier in the year because he went thru a really long stretch of badness offensively and kept jacking up 3 after 3.

[XDevilBoiX]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

I look at consistency for him is making shots when it matters most. Too many times we see him struggle when we need him to step up then only see him make shots when the game is already decided. Wasn’t just the playoffs that he sucked, it was the whole year of inconsistency.

[thejuice17]

I agree that Embiid is the more important defensive player for our team, but they often try to follow positional guidelines. Embiid is a center and so is Gobert, so they wont put 2 on the same team (if so, most teams would be made up of 5 shot blocking bigs) Gobert had the slight edge IMO strictly on defense at the center position.

Gobert: 56 games 32 MPG
Team:48 wins in West, made playoffs. 2nd ranked team DRTG

10.7 rebounds
2.3 blocks
.8 steals per game
DRTG 99
DBPM 4.6
DWS 3.9

Embiid: 63 games 30 MPG
Team: 52 wins, made playoffs. 4th ranked team DRTG

11 rebounds
1.8 blocks
.6 steals per game
DRTG 100
DBPM 2.5
DWS 3.8

Both were outstanding anchors for there teams. Rudy simply had the edge on a few of the key defensive stats. Embiid also has to carry the burden of our teams offense as well, so the fact that he is even in this class is really impressive. Truly a 2-way star.

I have no issues with gobert being first team center defense. Maybe if embiid had played 70 games. He gets the edge over gobert. But voters see 63 games vs 56 games as not much difference in terms of games played.

The real issue I have is with Anthony Davis. If they are gonna to make him first team all defense power forward?? Ok

But for the regular all nba voting. Voters get their cake and will switch Anthony Davis back to being center. So Davis gets first team all nba center. That way. Giannis doesn’t get shut out of first team all
Nba forward. It’s so obvious.

That limits us severely salarywise if Jojo gets All-NBA. He might get it next year, but I really don't think he deserves it this year.

Davis is more deserving, and there is noway he should win over Bron or Durant.

embiid lead the sixers back to playoffs,what did davis did,he got boogie and holiday,simmons is liabilty on defence along with reddick,rondo and holiday are all great defender,this team has no defence when embiid is off floor,sixers will not made playoffs without embiid

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[thejuice17]

The morning show on 97.5 is going in on him hard today after the news. Gargano put the Boston series on him, lol. I'm so tempted to call in but they're in too much of a feeding frenzy to listen to logic right now.

They aren't wrong. If Covington plays even average in the Boston series the Sixers are still playing.
Covington was awful in that series on both ends of the floor. I think he had one good game. Him winning 1st team all defense does not change that. Same for Simmons. If he wins ROTY, it does not change the fact that He was easily the 3rd (or worse) best rookie in the playoffs. Tatum and Mitchell were big time in the playoffs. Simmons shrunk in the Boston series.

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

if he can't play in big games,he should be trade,we dun need player who is a choker in playoffs

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[thejuice17]

They aren't wrong. If Covington plays even average in the Boston series the Sixers are still playing.
Covington was awful in that series on both ends of the floor. I think he had one good game. Him winning 1st team all defense does not change that. Same for Simmons. If he wins ROTY, it does not change the fact that He was easily the 3rd (or worse) best rookie in the playoffs. Tatum and Mitchell were big time in the playoffs. Simmons shrunk in the Boston series.

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

you can't win with this inconsistent player,he can't defence anyone on 2nd rd,he sicks after resign a contract,his shot sellection,his basketball IQ are both pathetic,he can't even made a easy pass on the break,not to mention his handling os as worst as danny green,maybe even worse

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[thejuice17]

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Pretty silly to compare Covington to Noel. You don't need stats to see Roco is a good defender, just watch the games.

I know we joke as Sixers fans about Dragic being an all star, but he's a very good player. Go rewatch game 1 of the Miami series. Covington was all over Dragic that game, it was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen on the defensive end.

In general I just think it's ridiculous how many haters Covington has. Really shows how the majority of people still just value the offensive side of the ball. Is he streaky on offense? Yes. Was he bad in the Boston series? Yes. Is the series loss on him? No.

Dude went from being a UDFA to playing on terrible Sixers teams to getting his first big payday to being on a playoff team and being relied on heavily on the defensive side of the ball. We give Simmons/Embiid/Brown passes because its their first playoffs, but Covington gets **** on because he was bad in a couple games?

People have unrealistic expectations of him. If our lineup is Embiid/Dario/Cov/jj/ben - Covington is not in there for his offense..We have 4 other guys who can score/set things up. And for the most part, Cov does his role very well. He's on a great contract considering how much value he provides us. People are acting like he's Luol Deng.

his defence is overrated........even in regular season

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[thejuice17]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

he won't,just like paul george and JR smith

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[thejuice17]

I do think hes a decent player. But not the long term answer at SF for a true contender.
THIS team needs an upgrade at his spot. You need a creator over there.

He is an above average starting SF, would you agree? Can you name 15 SFs better than him? He's arguably top 10. That's decent I guess.

Why does he need to be upgraded with a creator? We need a starting lineup where all 5 players are creators to be a contender? James Posey, Danny Green, Trevor Ariza, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen. The list goes on and on.

all of this player are much better player than roco ever been

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[thejuice17]

I do think hes a decent player. But not the long term answer at SF for a true contender.
THIS team needs an upgrade at his spot. You need a creator over there.

He is an above average starting SF, would you agree? Can you name 15 SFs better than him? He's arguably top 10. That's decent I guess.

Why does he need to be upgraded with a creator? We need a starting lineup where all 5 players are creators to be a contender? James Posey, Danny Green, Trevor Ariza, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen. The list goes on and on.

those players can play big hgames,stepup in crunch time,roco has no upside,he can't rely him yo made big shot,that's the big difference,ppl still can't face the truth

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[thejuice17]

Covington is among the best non-star Fs in the NBA. Is there really any grounds whatsoever to complain about him?

he is looking good because of embiid hide his weakness

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[thejuice17]

Also I'm not going to make excuses for the guy but he did have surgery on his hand last week.

hand injury will made you cannot play defence ?

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[thejuice17]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

he will never consistent,how many open look he miss,and his basketball iq is poor,he always plays like he was kobe,jack up 10 3s,when he is cold

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[thejuice17]

I'm not. But its damn close to being a fact that he played well during Boston series, we win it. Fans tend to grow sour on players when they shrink in the biggest moments. Other fans will defend a player they "like" thru a 20 game "bad stretch" of throwing up bricks every night. Seems pretty straight forward IMO.
I'm not saying hes awful(although he was in Boston), but this team needs a more well rounded player at SF. Which I am sure they are working on.

If Simmons plays well we might win it.

If Redick, Belinelli and Ilyasova shoot their normal percentages we might win it.

Brown could have made some more adjustments.

Heck Embiid could have played better.

Laying it all on Covington is unfair imo and hating frankly.

I'd love a more well rounded player. Obviously though that guy would cost more than $10 million next year. You can't have 5 guys on max contracts. You're singling out him versus upgrading Redick or Dario or the bench. Just seems like hating.

I don't think you mean a well rounded player though. I think you mean a star. Just weird to hate on a guy for not being a star when he's an undrafted free agent getting paid barely over the league average.

And don't act like this is just the Celtics series we can go back in this thread and you saying this all year.

Fair points. Its not all his fault, but he certainly played well below his norm. If he played great D on someone, ANYONE, you wouldn't hear a peep from me despite his lack of scoring. And I ragged on him earlier in the year because he went thru a really long stretch of badness offensively and kept jacking up 3 after 3.

you can lost your shot,but he can't lost your defence,if you can't play on both end,you should not on the floor

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[sixerswillrule]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

I look at consistency for him is making shots when it matters most. Too many times we see him struggle when we need him to step up then only see him make shots when the game is already decided. Wasn’t just the playoffs that he sucked, it was the whole year of inconsistency.

Whatever your definition for consistency is, is there anything to support that he is less consistent than other similar shooters like the ones I mentioned? Like, we know that Ben Simmons is a bad FT shooter because there is a standard - 77% is average. So "bad" is relative to his peers. When you guys say Covington is "inconsistent", does that he mean he is less consistent than his peers? And how do you know that? What is the standard? Just anecdotally saying he misses shots when it matters most doesn't do it.

[mithrandir17]

What I noticed about Cov was he was never the same after the rib injury he had when he dived for the ball and landed on a hard object in the stance. Before that incident he was amazing on both sides of the floor.

[gdog2004]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

I look at consistency for him is making shots when it matters most. Too many times we see him struggle when we need him to step up then only see him make shots when the game is already decided. Wasn’t just the playoffs that he sucked, it was the whole year of inconsistency.

THIS exactly. He makes shots when it really doesn't matter. Need a clutch shot or a clutch play in crunch time ? Look elsewhere.
How many times have we seen him make dumb plays late in games ?
He's a good player...but it would not be hard to find someone better.

[sixerswillrule]

At least in terms of his shooting, he's probably no less consistent than other high volume ~37% three point shooters in the league. Guys like Wes Matthews, Trevor Ariza, CJ Miles, etc. So "more consistent" really means just being a better shooter, i.e. above 40%. Can he become a better shooter? Maybe. As the team gets better it will only help him get more open looks.

I look at consistency for him is making shots when it matters most. Too many times we see him struggle when we need him to step up then only see him make shots when the game is already decided. Wasn’t just the playoffs that he sucked, it was the whole year of inconsistency.

THIS exactly. He makes shots when it really doesn't matter. Need a clutch shot or a clutch play in crunch time ? Look elsewhere.
How many times have we seen him make dumb plays late in games ?
He's a good player...but it would not be hard to find someone better.

He is an above average starting SF, would you agree? Can you name 15 SFs better than him?

Whatever your definition for consistency is, is there anything to support that he is less consistent than other similar shooters like the ones I mentioned? Like, we know that Ben Simmons is a bad FT shooter because there is a standard - 77% is average. So "bad" is relative to his peers. When you guys say Covington is "inconsistent", does that he mean he is less consistent than his peers? And how do you know that? What is the standard? Just anecdotally saying he misses shots when it matters most doesn't do it.