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Post#841 » by PLO » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:00 am

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What you say about Ball's passing ability is true, but it is also true of Simmons. They both see things that others don't and create things out of thin air for other people with their passing.

During the season I said that I thought Ball's passing was as good as Simmons', and nobody agreed with me. Now people are some how elevating him above Simmons.


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They're completely different passers. The only thing they really have in common is rebounding and transition passing. Ball is nothing special at all as a half court passer because he's not a creator. He's essentially Draymond, waiting for a teammate to get open off a screen and hitting them. Ben Simmons attacks the basket and forces the defense to react, then finds the open guy the defense leaves open by collapsing or rotating

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Ben is a better attacker but Ball is special passing anywhere on the court. He's phenomenal in the half court as well. Ball is a wizard. He said just not flashy. He just makes basic passes but they are right where they need to be. Simmons is flashier but he's not a better passer imo. If Ball is a 10 at passing Simmons is a 9.


C'mon man, Lonzo Ball is not "phenomenal in the half court" - he's very limited in the half court. He was so bad he wasn't even the primary ball handler in the half court for his college team. He's a pretty average player against a set defense and his basic passes are the product of his limitations, ie "I can't dribble around this guy I'd better just palm the ball off to someone". There's no doubt he's an elite passer especially in brokern play/transition but Simmons has the potential to use his passing in a lot more situations than Lonzo will.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#842 » by Simmons25 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:00 am

Yeah I don't get the Ball is phenomenal in half court either. He is very good at hockey assist passes and gets assists by sheer volume of the amount of passes being thrown rather than the quality of passes. We will wait and see how many of those get picked off against better opponents and teams with actual defensive schemes.

Simmons does do more "flashy" passes but people are underrating his ability to throw in entry passes to bigs over defences. Simmons is a guy who passes to get guys easy shots. I don't think that's Ball's strength though. His strength is ball movement which isn't a bad thing.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#843 » by Misteclipse » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:26 am

Because Ball isn't phenomenal in the half court. Turns it over a lot and is pretty bad running the pick and roll.

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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#844 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:52 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
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Misteclipse wrote:They're completely different passers. The only thing they really have in common is rebounding and transition passing. Ball is nothing special at all as a half court passer because he's not a creator. He's essentially Draymond, waiting for a teammate to get open off a screen and hitting them. Ben Simmons attacks the basket and forces the defense to react, then finds the open guy the defense leaves open by collapsing or rotating

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Ben is a better attacker but Ball is special passing anywhere on the court. He's phenomenal in the half court as well. Ball is a wizard. He said just not flashy. He just makes basic passes but they are right where they need to be. Simmons is flashier but he's not a better passer imo. If Ball is a 10 at passing Simmons is a 9.


I agree that Ball is a transcendent passer, and a real difference maker, maybe even a superstar(although I'm not convinced yet), but Simmons is in the same class. They are both next gen passers.

I don't. We'll see how he does when the games matter and teams start to play defense.




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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#845 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:10 pm

One thing I really like about Fultz is that he can slide to the SG spot with ease. His has the size, length and game to thrive at that position. Theoretically, if we're in position to add an elite PG prospect in the coming drafts, we don't have to hesitate. Fultz has position versatility.
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Post#846 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:40 pm

The main thing I like about Fultz is his work ethic. He's a late bloomer and he definitely had to put in a lot of work to go from getting cut as a sophomore and not even on the radar of any big name schools to becoming what many consider the best prospect in the draft in a matter of 3 years. His head is on straight too. A guy like D'Angelo Russell who was similar to Fultz and maybe just as good coming out of college seems immature. I don't get that vibe from Fultz. I trust Fultz more to be more serious about basketball and that can go a long way. You can never really tell how players will develop and don't know their work ethic all the time. I don't think we have to worry about Fultz working hard. My main concern is just him eating right and laying off the Chic-Fil-A.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#847 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Fultz gets #20 from Luwawu. I wonder what the trade was.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#848 » by WMDman » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:41 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Fultz gets #20 from Luwawu. I wonder what the trade was.


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Post#849 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:10 pm

lol Fultz isn't gonna buy him a half a million dollar car on a rookie contract.
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Post#850 » by cksdayoff » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:58 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Fultz gets #20 from Luwawu. I wonder what the trade was.


not getting cut from the roster next year
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#851 » by sixers78 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:08 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Fultz gets #20 from Luwawu. I wonder what the trade was.


Link? Photo? I don't see that anywhere
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#852 » by WMDman » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:10 pm

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:Fultz gets #20 from Luwawu. I wonder what the trade was.


Link? Photo? I don't see that anywhere



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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#853 » by Mrcrockpots » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:25 am

How much offense do we expect from Fultz his rookie year? In their rookie years- Kyrie put up 14.6 shots per game, Wiggins 13.9, Booker 11.4, Druss 12, Ingram 8.7.

I do expect Fultz to put up more shots than Simmons. If we can expect Fultz to get around 12-14 shots per game, I'm thinking 12-14ppg, 4-5rpg, and 4-5apg would be a reasonable expectation. Kind of difficult to project Fultz on offense especially with JJ wanting shots. Plus we got Roco whose consistently put up 12-13ppg over the last several years. REALLY looking forward to how Ben and Markelle share the ball on offense. My head tells me Simmons will mainly focus heavily on showing his all around game while putting up ridiculous assist/rebound/steals numbers. My head also tells me Fultz should get at least 2-5 wide open 3s per game with such an elite drive/dish playmaker in Ben. But I'm crazy so...

I'm also fully expecting Brett to get away from running Embiid in iso situations, unless we're in crunch time. Our offense was one of the best in the league in sharing the ball. Just. cannot. wait. to. see. our. ball. movement. this. year. Should be a hell of a thing to watch.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#854 » by broseph13 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:33 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:lol Fultz isn't gonna buy him a half a million dollar car on a rookie contract.


To be fair, Fultz Rookie contract isn't really a "rookie contract." He's set to make $7M this season, $8.34 next season, nearly $10M the season after that, and $12M in the final year. So yes, while it is a rookie contract, he's already paid like the 5th man on a decent team was just a few years ago.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#855 » by broseph13 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:35 pm

Someone from the Sixers staff needs to say something to Fultz about the fast food. I follow him on Snapchat and it seems like he's hitting Chic-Fil-A multiple times a week...not good when you're an injured pro athlete who already has leftover babyfat.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#856 » by Chris76 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Mrcrockpots wrote:How much offense do we expect from Fultz his rookie year? In their rookie years- Kyrie put up 14.6 shots per game, Wiggins 13.9, Booker 11.4, Druss 12, Ingram 8.7.

I do expect Fultz to put up more shots than Simmons. If we can expect Fultz to get around 12-14 shots per game, I'm thinking 12-14ppg, 4-5rpg, and 4-5apg would be a reasonable expectation. Kind of difficult to project Fultz on offense especially with JJ wanting shots. Plus we got Roco whose consistently put up 12-13ppg over the last several years. REALLY looking forward to how Ben and Markelle share the ball on offense. My head tells me Simmons will mainly focus heavily on showing his all around game while putting up ridiculous assist/rebound/steals numbers. My head also tells me Fultz should get at least 2-5 wide open 3s per game with such an elite drive/dish playmaker in Ben. But I'm crazy so...

I'm also fully expecting Brett to get away from running Embiid in iso situations, unless we're in crunch time. Our offense was one of the best in the league in sharing the ball. Just. cannot. wait. to. see. our. ball. movement. this. year. Should be a hell of a thing to watch.


A lot of good possibilities. I see Fultz going off in a few games, he could easily score 30 or more. With Simmons, shooters are gonna get a lot of open looks. Funny how fast the Sixers could go from being one of the worst shooting teams to one of the best.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#857 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:58 pm

We can't afford to have Fultz finishing Korkmaz' and Luwawu's plates during team meals. They need to gain weight and he needs to lose it. Maybe Okafor can give him some pointers, he's looking pretty fit these days.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#858 » by Mrcrockpots » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:57 pm

Rookie year usage rates from the last 10 number one picks.

Simmons n/a
Towns 24.9%
Wiggins 22.6%
Bennett 20.3%
Davis 21.8%
Irving 28.7%
Wall 23.8%
Griffin 27.3%
Rose 22.6%
Oden 19.3%

Where do you think Fultz falls on the list this year? It's hard to compare Fultz to Kyrie as Kyrie had literally no one on that 2011/12 squad and was given the green light from day one. The second best player on that team was Antawn Jamison.

I'm thinking somewhere between 18-22% his rookie year as Simmons will be the primary ball handler and Embiid will be the number one on offense. I'm hoping Fultz becomes a legit number 2 option on offense by the end of the season with some flashy splits his rookie campaign. Something like a month stretch of 20ppg, 5 and 5 would be nice.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#859 » by cksdayoff » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:26 pm

fultz is going to get plenty of touches. Especially with the spacing this roster will provide, fultz is going to attack the basket more and more
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#860 » by Mrcrockpots » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:39 pm

Agree completely. I predict Fultz's usage rate and shot attempts to gradually increase as the season progresses. While Simmons will continue to maintain his focus on showing the NBA world that he is an elite, do it all, pass first point guard.

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