The Ben Simmons Megathread

Post #861 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:34 am

simmbiid wrote:Ben is top 5 in the league for defensive points saved. Clearly at no. 1 for rookies.

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Fultz offense beginning to show, still above the medium in defense though.

eagereyez · Post #862 » by **eagereyez** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:50 am

I knew Simmons would hit the floor running, but I'm still a bit surprised by how well he's playing. He has been our best player through the first 4 games. Some people are just truly born to play basketball.

Simmons25 · Post #863 » by **Simmons25** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:30 am

Hot take or true?

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cksdayoff · Post #864 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:31 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
simmbiid wrote:Ben is top 5 in the league for defensive points saved. Clearly at no. 1 for rookies.

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Fultz offense beginning to show, still above the medium in defense though.

once fultz is healthy, he'll be joining simmons in that 1st quadrant.

Post #865 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:43 am

Simmons25 wrote:Hot take or true?

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I posted in the rookie thread that I think Simmons needs Embiid to maximize his effectiveness, but when they play together Simmons may produce better as a result. I think Embiid is still more vital because of his defense, specifically, but they’re both going to be special.

cksdayoff · Post #866 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:45 am

Simmons25 wrote:Hot take or true?

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they're both gonna maximize each other's potential.

Simmons25 · Post #867 » by **Simmons25** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:44 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:posted in the rookie thread that I think Simmons needs Embiid to maximize his effectiveness, but when they play together Simmons may produce better as a result. I think Embiid is still more vital because of his defense, specifically, but they’re both going to be special.

cksdayoff wrote:they're both gonna maximize each other's potential.

I agree. Once playing together becomes 2nd nature to them they are going to be unstoppable and it's going to be a matter of picking your poison as to who you double team.

When Markelle gets this shoulder fixed... and he becomes a 3rd option with extra space that can create his shot... my god.

Ericb5 · Post #868 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:30 pm

Simmons25 wrote:Hot take or true?

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I think it is true that he isn't "far" behind Embiid as a prospect. I still think Embiid is the best player on the team today, as well as the player with the most potential, but they are BOTH franchise players.

Ever since we won the lottery in 2016 the only thing holding me back from unbridled giddiness at our future of two top 10(if not top 5) players is my continued anxiety over Embiid's health.

phiphan · Post #869 » by **phiphan** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:54 pm

We're lucky that the guys who you want to build around Embiid are the same guys you want around Simmons. Would be a real Sophie's choice if we had to choose just one direction.

Ericb5 · Post #870 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:27 pm

phiphan wrote:We're lucky that the guys who you want to build around Embiid are the same guys you want around Simmons. Would be a real Sophie's choice if we had to choose just one direction.

Definitely, and even more, they compliment each other.

The problem that would have happened in Orlando in 93 was that adding Webber to Shaq wouldn't have been good because they would overlap with each other instead of complimenting each other. You still would surround them with similar players if either one of them were the man, but with both of them there it wouldn't have worked.

Simmons and Embiid compliment each other perfectly so it is really a win-win-win. Win-win because they compliment each other, and an additional win because they require the same kinds of role players to succeed.

Negrodamus · Post #871 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:30 pm

Simmons25 wrote:Hot take or true?

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Hot take. Embiid's defense, alone, makes him a more alluring prospect. Not slighting Ben's defense, but his is less needed than the enormous presence in the middle.

Add to the fact that Embiid has no real flaws besides his injury concerns, and you have a close-to-perfect prospect.

Ben has plenty of blemishes, but he's definitely better than most as a prospect.

Kobblehead · Post #872 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:33 pm

I still think Embiid's personality and maturity level make him a little too combustible. Simmons has that Kawhi Leonard disposition. I much prefer the self-maintained stability that Simmons has, neck up, in my franchise players.

Hot take: I'd rather have Towns than Embiid for that very reason.

MR28 · Post #873 » by **MR28** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:39 pm

Yeah, that's something else...

cksdayoff · Post #874 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:44 pm

towns and ben could possibly be a better duo, ben could probably rack up more assists with kat around the basket due to him being a bit quicker and more agile, and can shoot the midrange and 3 ball but not at an elite level that embiid potentially could.

defensively embiid wins in a landslide, kat’s not making much of an impact on the defensive side of things

Kobblehead · Post #875 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:03 pm

Yeah, Towns can't compete with Embiid on the defensive end. He's just nowhere near as good, athletically, and has issues protecting the rim and rotating at times because of that.

He's just such a smarter, more cerebral offensive player, though. With comparable, if not superior, skill level.

Such a mature, good natured kid. A perfect mesh on and off the court with Simmons. It's no surprise that they're such good friends IRL.

crazy_me_87 · Post #876 » by **crazy_me_87** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:14 pm

I think there was that discussion before in terms of who is the better Talent Joel or Ben..

I said it back then and i say it again: It really depends on how much you weigh in Health concerns. In a Reality where nobody is ever injured Joel is by far the best Talent in the NBA.. its not even close. Thats where reality sets in.. what if he keeps missing Games.. even if no injury every threatens his career(god forbid) it could mean that he is a 60 Game per Season Player for his whole Career. And maybe he just maxes out at 30-32 Minutes per Game. It wont change how valuable the Games and Minutes are he is on the court. It still will decrease his overall impact.

You cant rely on him alone to carry you 82 Games for 36 Minutes and 25 Playoff Games..for 40 Minutes.. And since that is at least a Part of what i think of as Franchise Players it has to be a knock on Joel.. as much as it pains me to say.

Also as i said back then history just is very cruel to Huge Big Men with Foot injuries.. I pray for Joel to have a long healthy career but you have to be prepared for him to be on a Game and Minutes restriction for maybe his whole Career.

Ben on the other hand while not injury free has a much better prognosis.. he is not as tall and especially not as heavy as Joel. The chance he stays mostly injury free is much higher. And this is where Ben makes up the small difference in Raw Talent. He at least does for me. I trust him to carry the Sixers every night. Right now this is a huge advantage over Joel.

I think talent wise Joel is a tad ahead of Ben(not a slight on Joel.. a compliment to Ben.. he still is underrated by some..) but his better long term health Prognosis closes this gap for me.

Also as @Kobblehead said.. Joel is more "combustible" maybe a bit too much. I fear he has the Potential to be thrown out of a Game here and there.. While his Character makes him chraming it also can make him a Risk. And honestly i rather have Ben as my Teams leader.. he will just steadilly do his work.

Overall i think as many here said.. its great that you Sixers Fans have the luxury that its not really nessesary to make this a Joel vs Ben.. they fit so well together its amazing. Both in terms of Playstyle and Personality. Joel is the Media loving, funny at times Hothead.. while Ben is the stoic almost cold guy who just does his thing. They are almost Magic and Kareem but reversed in terms of Personality. Kareem at least to the Media(He supposedly was extremly funny and open once you knew him) was absolutely ice cold. While Magic loved every bit of attention he got.

This is a great Duo because they complement each other perfectly on and off the Court.

Negrodamus · Post #877 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:20 pm

I think personality concerns are a bit overblown with Embiid. It's those same concerns that are allowing him to cook players like Drummond when they are going at him. As long as he isn't ruffling feathers with his teammates and coaches, I don't particularly care about what he's saying. In fact, I am feeling pretty comfortable that he's got his temperament under control.

Kobblehead · Post #878 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:30 pm

crazy_me_87 wrote:Overall i think as many here said.. its great that you Sixers Fans have the luxury that its not really nessesary to make this a Joel vs Ben.. they fit so well together its amazing. Both in terms of Playstyle and Personality. Joel is the Media loving, funny at times Hothead.. while Ben is the stoic almost cold guy who just does his thing. They are almost Magic and Kareem but reversed in terms of Personality. Kareem at least to the Media(He supposedly was extremly funny and open once you knew him) was absolutely ice cold. While Magic loved every bit of attention he got.

This is a great Duo because they complement each other perfectly on and off the Court.

Interesting. Do you think it's better to have comparative personalities or contrasting ones that compliment each other?

Kobblehead · Post #879 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:33 pm

My inclanation is that I'd rather have personality matching.

Take the Suns and Sixers as examples.

I think Booker and Simmons mesh really well with their laid back, mature, responsible demeanors.

I think Jackson and Embiid would mesh really well with their fiery, passionate, thriving off emotion demeanors.

crazy_me_87 · Post #880 » by **crazy_me_87** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:46 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
crazy_me_87 wrote:Overall i think as many here said.. its great that you Sixers Fans have the luxury that its not really nessesary to make this a Joel vs Ben.. they fit so well together its amazing. Both in terms of Playstyle and Personality. Joel is the Media loving, funny at times Hothead.. while Ben is the stoic almost cold guy who just does his thing. They are almost Magic and Kareem but reversed in terms of Personality. Kareem at least to the Media(He supposedly was extremly funny and open once you knew him) was absolutely ice cold. While Magic loved every bit of attention he got.

This is a great Duo because they complement each other perfectly on and off the Court.

Interesting. Do you think it's better to have comparative personalities or contrasting ones that compliment each other?

It depends. It can go really great and it develops into a great relationship because they know the other does what the other is not really great at. Or they can grow to hate each other because they are so different. No guarantee