Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[the_process]

Really do not get why people keep clamoring for Mike Scott being brought back.

Unless its on a dirt cheap 1 year deal, id let him go explore his options.

Despite the "Tough guy" label, he's not a good defender and outside of a streaky outside shot he provides very little else on offense.Seriously think we can do better. Not like he is a stout rebounder or charge taker like Ersan was.

It's the same thing as Redick. There are only so many avenues to improve the team - MLE, BAE, trading J. Simmons, the draft picks. If you use one of those avenues to replace Scott, there's less avenues for upgrading the rest of the team. Now if you can get a similar player cheaper then sure. But otherwise, not bringing him back is just creating an issue elsewhere.

While I agree to an extent, Comparing Redick to Scott is like comparing Ben Simmons and TJ.

JJ plays an integral role on our team and our offense. Sure he's an older player and has his limitations on defense, but he possesses an elite skillset and his fit on this team is so much more important than Mike Scott's.

JJ Redick has been a starter for 2 years and has averages of 17+ PPG shooting 40%+ from 3 on extremely high volume. HIs off-ball movement and threat of making a shot commands a defenses attention. He should be a priority to bring back and if not, we need to use our best resource(s) at trying to fill his role.

Im not necessarily against Mike Scott.....i am just against paying him more than what he is worth. He was nothing special for this team and can be replaced using 1 of our cheaper avenues available. If he wants more than a min contract, I probably let him walk.

I agree Scott is nothing special. But if Scott walks, you can’t re-use his 5M slot. You’ll have to find someone willing to take a vet min deal, and you’ll have to hope they can be as productive, and you’ll have to hope that Brett trusts them to be in the rotation. I personally would rather just give Scott his 3-14 declining deal and slot him into the backup 4 role next year. Then they can draft Lawson at 34 and groom him to take over that spot and then use Scott's salary in a future trade.

[ZarcMumoff]

I know the tax payer MLE is less. But isn't the "tax payer" MLE only for teams that are also above the apron, which is $6 million above the luxury tax line?

No, you just have to be over the tax line. Hence why it’s called the taxpayer MLE.

What you’re thinking of is the rule that says teams that use the full MLE are hard capped at the apron. Whereas if you only use the taxpayer MLE, you can go over the apron.

Isn't this just a question of the sequence though? You renounce all of the capholds of everyone but Redick, Harris, Butler and Scott (and theoretically resign Redick at a number lower than his caphold). Then you use the full MLE as you won't be in the tax before finalizing the other deals, which what pushes you into the tax.

But the sequencing won't matter. Basically, we can go over the luxury tax line ($132) and use the full MLE. We just can't go over the tax apron line ($138) because if we do, then we wouldn't be allowed to use the full MLE. We would have to use the tax MLE.

As far as the MLE is concerned, the tax apron line is what we should be concerned about, not the luxury tax line itself.

[Cokeleaf]

Is Aminu going to get paid out of the 9mil MLE that we could offer?

Aminu would be an amazing addition adding to the teams lengthy defensive identity. Quick, versatile, good three shooter, another rim protector


Joakim Noah as a vet bigman on the minimum?

[BullyKing]

No, you just have to be over the tax line. Hence why it’s called the taxpayer MLE.

What you’re thinking of is the rule that says teams that use the full MLE are hard capped at the apron. Whereas if you only use the taxpayer MLE, you can go over the apron.

Isn't this just a question of the sequence though? You renounce all of the capholds of everyone but Redick, Harris, Butler and Scott (and theoretically resign Redick at a number lower than his caphold). Then you use the full MLE as you won't be in the tax before finalizing the other deals, which what pushes you into the tax.

But the sequencing won't matter. Basically, we can go over the luxury tax line ($132) and use the full MLE. We just can't go over the tax apron line ($138) because if we do, then we wouldn't be allowed to use the full MLE. We would have to use the tax MLE.

As far as the MLE is concerned, the tax apron line is what we should be concerned about, not the luxury tax line itself.

The sequencing does matter a little. If you resign Harris and Butler to their maxes while keeping the cap holds for Redick and Scott, you're in the tax and don't have to the full MLE. It's not a very difficult sequence to figure out but there is a way in which we could shoot ourselves in the foot.

[ZarcMumoff]

Isn't this just a question of the sequence though? You renounce all of the capholds of everyone but Redick, Harris, Butler and Scott (and theoretically resign Redick at a number lower than his caphold). Then you use the full MLE as you won't be in the tax before finalizing the other deals, which what pushes you into the tax.

But the sequencing won't matter. Basically, we can go over the luxury tax line ($132) and use the full MLE. We just can't go over the tax apron line ($138) because if we do, then we wouldn't be allowed to use the full MLE. We would have to use the tax MLE.

As far as the MLE is concerned, the tax apron line is what we should be concerned about, not the luxury tax line itself.

The sequencing does matter a little. If you resign Harris and Butler to their maxes while keeping the cap holds for Redick and Scott, you're in the tax and don't have to the full MLE. It's not a very difficult sequence to figure out but there is a way in which we could shoot ourselves in the foot.

Oh, I thought you meant sequence like since we used the MLE before going over the tax apron, it would be legal.

[the_process]

I know the tax payer MLE is less. But isn't the "tax payer" MLE only for teams that are also above the apron, which is $6 million above the luxury tax line?

No, you just have to be over the tax line. Hence why it’s called the taxpayer MLE.

What you’re thinking of is the rule that says teams that use the full MLE are hard capped at the apron. Whereas if you only use the taxpayer MLE, you can go over the apron.

Isn't this just a question of the sequence though? You renounce all of the capholds of everyone but Redick, Harris, Butler and Scott (and theoretically resign Redick at a number lower than his caphold). Then you use the full MLE as you won't be in the tax before finalizing the other deals, which what pushes you into the tax.

Sure. But I can’t see how it’s feasible while staying under the apron. And considering I don’t trust the League Office Rejects to be that creative, it’s far easier to just operate over the apron.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=15493772395cf4463bd542f409635713

[BullyKing]

No, you just have to be over the tax line. Hence why it’s called the taxpayer MLE.

What you’re thinking of is the rule that says teams that use the full MLE are hard capped at the apron. Whereas if you only use the taxpayer MLE, you can go over the apron.

Isn't this just a question of the sequence though? You renounce all of the capholds of everyone but Redick, Harris, Butler and Scott (and theoretically resign Redick at a number lower than his caphold). Then you use the full MLE as you won't be in the tax before finalizing the other deals, which what pushes you into the tax.

Sure. But I can’t see how it’s feasible while staying under the apron. And considering I don’t trust the League Office Rejects to be that creative, it’s far easier to just operate over the apron.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=15493772395cf4463bd542f409635713

But doesn't this just demonstrate how possible it is? I don't have a lot of faith in our front office either but we might as well just close up shop if they can't figure this out.

Using your roster leaves 5.8 under the apron to fill three spots (figure the two minimum roster holds there account for #33 and #34). So basically three veteran minimum contracts. Or you try and get Scott for less and possibly let him walk and use the BAE depending on where the value turns out to be in free agency. The key to me is getting to where you got, minus Scott, and then being patient and selective to get good value to fill out the roster.

[PhilasFinest]

It's the same thing as Redick. There are only so many avenues to improve the team - MLE, BAE, trading J. Simmons, the draft picks. If you use one of those avenues to replace Scott, there's less avenues for upgrading the rest of the team. Now if you can get a similar player cheaper then sure. But otherwise, not bringing him back is just creating an issue elsewhere.

While I agree to an extent, Comparing Redick to Scott is like comparing Ben Simmons and TJ.

JJ plays an integral role on our team and our offense. Sure he's an older player and has his limitations on defense, but he possesses an elite skillset and his fit on this team is so much more important than Mike Scott's.

JJ Redick has been a starter for 2 years and has averages of 17+ PPG shooting 40%+ from 3 on extremely high volume. HIs off-ball movement and threat of making a shot commands a defenses attention. He should be a priority to bring back and if not, we need to use our best resource(s) at trying to fill his role.

Im not necessarily against Mike Scott.....i am just against paying him more than what he is worth. He was nothing special for this team and can be replaced using 1 of our cheaper avenues available. If he wants more than a min contract, I probably let him walk.

I agree Scott is nothing special. But if Scott walks, you can’t re-use his 5M slot. You’ll have to find someone willing to take a vet min deal, and you’ll have to hope they can be as productive, and you’ll have to hope that Brett trusts them to be in the rotation. I personally would rather just give Scott his 3-14 declining deal and slot him into the backup 4 role next year. Then they can draft Lawson at 34 and groom him to take over that spot and then use Scott's salary in a future trade.

Hey I get it. If we think Scott is the best we can get based on the cap situation, so be it....id feel a little meh if we threw 3/14 at a 31 year old 1 trick pony.

Id be curious as to what 1 year min contract guys we could potentially lure here with the chance to compete, play meaningful minutes and also possibly play themselves into a bigger contract.

[Processing76]

Could we afford Clint Capela?

[sixers4real]

Could we afford Clint Capela?

That's a strange question. He is not a free agent. He will cost a lot. And he will be what, Embiid's backup?

[youngcrev]

Could we afford Clint Capela?

Capela doesn't make much sense here. There's just not a big enough role to pay him that much, nor would you expect him to accept such a role. You'd also have to lose one of the big-4 in the process.

Having discussions with Houston would make sense to me though. If Butler wants to go there, you could do a lot worse than Gordon, Tucker and some 1sts. If they're looking for a partner in a 3-way type deal, J Simmons makes enough to match for PJ. If I could get Tucker for our 1st, sign me up. Imagine the defense of a Simmons, Butler, Tucker, Harris, Embiid starting lineup

[ankle420breaker]

Outside of Dedmond, there aren't many backup C's on the market who entice me. It'll require some craftiness on EB's part to address that need this summer.

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[PhillyFan11]

I think people are way overvaluing what we need at backup big. Just because we had crap this year doesn’t mean we have to go to the extreme this coming year and overspend on a backup.

Dedmond would be nice but,
J McGee
E Davis
R Lopez
Kanter
Faried
Vonleh
Aminu

I’d be happy with any of those guys. We don’t need the typical old school “Center”

[Daytonflores]

Joakim Noah had a resurgent season as backup C this season too

[Sixerscan]

Boban would look great playing on lottery teams too. A lot of those names would be just as unplayable in the playoffs as the lot we had.

[youngcrev]

I'd have a lot of interest in Vonleh and Davis if they end up being undervalued assets again this summer. Same with Seth Curry. More likely those guys get paid by someone this year though (I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Detroit throw their whole MLE at Curry).

[PhillyFan11]

Boban would look great playing on lottery teams too. A lot of those names would be just as unplayable in the playoffs as the lot we had.

Let’s not pretend like Boban isn’t unique. The dude is a literal giant that moves like he has cinder blocks attached to his feet. We need someone to play D and rebound for 10-15 mins a game. If Joel is hurt or whatever again and can’t give us 35 mins a game in the playoffs there’s no one we are acquiring that is going to save the day, we’ll be screwed either way.

[PhilasFinest]

I think people are way overvaluing what we need at backup big. Just because we had crap this year doesn’t mean we have to go to the extreme this coming year and overspend on a backup.

Dedmond would be nice but,
J McGee
E Davis
R Lopez
Kanter
Faried
Vonleh
Aminu

I’d be happy with any of those guys. We don’t need the typical old school “Center”

I agree with this. Certainly believe that you can cover Embiid's backup with a combination of Bolden, A 2nd round Center to develop and a veteran 1 year signing.

Spend the money on guys who can make a difference and play multiple positions and then just Anchor the 5 spot with athletic guys who can block shots, board and defend a bit.

[phillynative]

I think people are way overvaluing what we need at backup big. Just because we had crap this year doesn’t mean we have to go to the extreme this coming year and overspend on a backup.

Dedmond would be nice but,
J McGee
E Davis
R Lopez
Kanter
Faried
Vonleh
Aminu

I’d be happy with any of those guys. We don’t need the typical old school “Center”

I agree with this. Certainly believe that you can cover Embiid's backup with a combination of Bolden, A 2nd round Center to develop and a veteran 1 year signing.

Spend the money on guys who can make a difference and play multiple positions and then just Anchor the 5 spot with athletic guys who can block shots, board and defend a bit.

I agree except Bolden has already proven he cannot man the middle. Maybe with experience and added muscle???
Sixers rumored to be interested in khem birch who is also undersized. I wonder why the Sixers haven't taken a flyer on gleaguer Norvelle Pelle. Everytime I watch him play he seems Nerlens Noel lite.

[Sixerscan]

I think people are way overvaluing what we need at backup big. Just because we had crap this year doesn’t mean we have to go to the extreme this coming year and overspend on a backup.

Dedmond would be nice but,
J McGee
E Davis
R Lopez
Kanter
Faried
Vonleh
Aminu

I’d be happy with any of those guys. We don’t need the typical old school “Center”

I agree with this. Certainly believe that you can cover Embiid's backup with a combination of Bolden, A 2nd round Center to develop and a veteran 1 year signing.

Spend the money on guys who can make a difference and play multiple positions and then just Anchor the 5 spot with athletic guys who can block shots, board and defend a bit.

I agree except Bolden has already proven he cannot man the middle. Maybe with experience and added muscle???
Sixers rumored to be interested in khem birch who is also undersized. I wonder why the Sixers haven't taken a flyer on gleaguer Norvelle Pelle. Everytime I watch him play he seems Nerlens Noel lite.

Believe the Sixers invited Pelle to training camp last year, maybe they will again.

It's a big summer/year for Bolden. Not knowing how to play defense as a rookie is understandable but he has to figure it out soon.