2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[76ciology]

But you need to be more detailed and granular in your analysis.

How many times has a guard who can’t shoot and isn’t a scorer become an All-Star point guard?

Additionally, I question how he can be considered to have good basketball IQ when he’s averaging only 2.9 assists per game and 0.8 steals per game. These stats are usually indicators of a player’s ability to read and react to actions on the court.

Not always. There were no statistical indicators of success with Jaylen Brown coming out of Cal. Fastforward and now he's a complete basketball player that just won Finals MVP.

Sometimes, you just take the big, strong, fast, young guy and develop him.

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

[PhillyFan11]

thats the thing...we kinda blow at developing lol.

Biid and Maxey did a lot of their development outside the org it feels like

Can’t develop players if you refuse to play them. Doc was the worst at that. Nurse let the kids play some last year but that may have been out of pure necessity. Hopefully we don’t see that change with vet mins brought in to play over Council/any rookies

[Negrodamus]

But you need to be more detailed and granular in your analysis.

How many times has a guard who can’t shoot and isn’t a scorer become an All-Star point guard?

Additionally, I question how he can be considered to have good basketball IQ when he’s averaging only 2.9 assists per game and 0.8 steals per game. These stats are usually indicators of a player’s ability to read and react to actions on the court.

Not always. There were no statistical indicators of success with Jaylen Brown coming out of Cal. Fastforward and now he's a complete basketball player that just won Finals MVP.

Sometimes, you just take the big, strong, fast, young guy and develop him.

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

That'll be a tough choice to make if Dillingham is there at 16. Personally, I'm going to lean Walter over him if we have the choice.

[Kobblehead]

Not always. There were no statistical indicators of success with Jaylen Brown coming out of Cal. Fastforward and now he's a complete basketball player that just won Finals MVP.

Sometimes, you just take the big, strong, fast, young guy and develop him.

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

What about Ant-Man? His numbers in college were atrocious.

[Kobblehead]

GG Jackson's numbers at South Carolina were a trainwreck. Yet he looked like a top 5 rookie last year.

I feel like you just take the young, big, athletic dudes and hope they're hard workers.

No statistical indicators alluded that GG was going to be good. He was just a 18 year old 6'8" dude with a 37 inch vert.

[Negrodamus]

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

What about Ant-Man? His numbers in college were atrocious.

I think he's the biggest anomaly of the NBA draft despite being selected number 1. Freshmen I give a little leeway in statistical markers, but he had a few holes. I think the main stats to focus on for a freshman are the FTr, FT%, AST% and ppg per 36. If they can clear .300 FTr, 75% FT, 11 AST%, and 18 ppg per 36, then they can show they have a workable shot form, willingness to distribute, can handle the ball well enough to draw fouls, and know how to generate points when given the opportunity.

EDIT: and a willingness to score at the rim at a not horrible percentage.

[Mik317]

My guys that could be around our pick

McCain: Shooting is Shooting. Sneaky good rebounder. I think he is sturdy enough to hold up next to Maxey for short bursts to make the most of the pick. Had big balls moments in the tourny.

Dillingham: Just my type of player. Swaggy jumpers and yolo ball. Dude is tiny as **** and unlike McCain its a lot harder to play next to Maxey to maximize the pick. But BPA man

Holland: Pure upside pick. Bad shooters have me shook but you get a good wing guy and you have an easy building block.

Walter: Fits a lot of Morey's MO; top 10 recruit, Good shooting rep. Mid season causing a drop. The ideal version of him is exactly the type of guard we can use next to Maxey longterm.


Guys I'd be okay with but not jazzed

Da Silva: Boring prospect lol but should be a solid pro

Shannon: He is Oubre 2.0 but without the space cadet stuff...but thats also what makes Oubre lol

Carter: Nice Melton replacement but one year wonder seniors have me wary.

Collier: Liked him more when I thought he was 6'5 but again you take a shot on top 10 recruits and hope they figure it out.

Any Center: eh. Needed for sure but I want us to be the team that gets the sneaky all star again; don't think any of them will be that here.

[Kobblehead]

I wouldn't mind doubling up on upside swings.

Ron Holland at #16
Trentyn Flowers at #41

You get the two teens in this class that most resemble an All-NBA wing, strictly based on appearance and athleticism. The rest is up to fate.

[Eyeamok]

thats the thing...we kinda blow at developing lol.

Biid and Maxey did a lot of their development outside the org it feels like

Can’t develop players if you refuse to play them. Doc was the worst at that. Nurse let the kids play some last year but that may have been out of pure necessity. Hopefully we don’t see that change with vet mins brought in to play over Council/any rookies

I believe a lot of development in the NBA is like high school and college. You can be at the games/class going through practice/lectures but that is never going to be enough to get you to be the best version of yourself. You have to invest extra time and effort to get better. Which in the NBA might include hiring a personal coach / tutor and actually working on the areas you are weak. And when you finally get your opportunity you make the most of it.

Believe it or not I think Terrence Shannon Jr. got a wake up call. I'm not judging him in any way. But his basketball career was in jeopardy before it even began. That has to be a sobering experience. It will probably propel him not to take this opportunity for granted. Not to let the fame and money go to his head and work hard at his craft. A lot of these guys coming into the NBA don't understand how competitive it is until it's too late. It's a grind even when you have talent and skill.

So development of players is partially on the team but the player has to want it more than the team wants it for him. 10% on the team 90% on the player. But I could be wrong.

[Negrodamus]

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[Kobblehead]

All the best basketball minds I know agree that we are just a Kevon Looney away from a championship so our interest in Missi makes 10000% sense!

[mjkvol]

thats the thing...we kinda blow at developing lol.

Biid and Maxey did a lot of their development outside the org it feels like

Can’t develop players if you refuse to play them. Doc was the worst at that. Nurse let the kids play some last year but that may have been out of pure necessity. Hopefully we don’t see that change with vet mins brought in to play over Council/any rookies

You beat me to it.

Tough to develop kids when the head coach has no interest in their development and wants them included in trades for washed vets.

[mjkvol]

Not always. There were no statistical indicators of success with Jaylen Brown coming out of Cal. Fastforward and now he's a complete basketball player that just won Finals MVP.

Sometimes, you just take the big, strong, fast, young guy and develop him.

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

Unless you're drafting in the high part of the lottery, isn't the draft really about finding players who can potentially be developed into solid role players as the floor, and 2nd/3rd 'stars' as the ceiling. Anything beyond that is like hitting the .... lottery.

[Monix]

using the 16th pick on a small guard or a 5 would be a disaster

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

thats the thing...we kinda blow at developing lol.

Biid and Maxey did a lot of their development outside the org it feels like

Can’t develop players if you refuse to play them. Doc was the worst at that. Nurse let the kids play some last year but that may have been out of pure necessity. Hopefully we don’t see that change with vet mins brought in to play over Council/any rookies

I believe a lot of development in the NBA is like high school and college. You can be at the games/class going through practice/lectures but that is never going to be enough to get you to be the best version of yourself. You have to invest extra time and effort to get better. Which in the NBA might include hiring a personal coach / tutor and actually working on the areas you are weak. And when you finally get your opportunity you make the most of it.

Believe it or not I think Terrence Shannon Jr. got a wake up call. I'm not judging him in any way. But his basketball career was in jeopardy before it even began. That has to be a sobering experience. It will probably propel him not to take this opportunity for granted. Not to let the fame and money go to his head and work hard at his craft. A lot of these guys coming into the NBA don't understand how competitive it is until it's too late. It's a grind even when you have talent and skill.

So development of players is partially on the team but the player has to want it more than the team wants it for him. 10% on the team 90% on the player. But I could be wrong.

I don't think you are. In fact, I 100% agree with you. Each and every guy in this league has the talent to play at the NBA level, otherwise they wouldn't be in the league. It absolutely comes down to work ethic. It is true that you can get undeniably talented players who don't always work as hard as the next guy. We had two of them in Charles Barkley and Allen Iverson and even then, I'm not going to accuse them of NOT working on their craft. I'm sure they did, but they didn't need to as hard as the other guys who weren't as talented. I think that is why pre-draft interviews are so important. You really need to get a personal read and understanding of the individuals you may be potentially adding to your roster. If you can get an idea of who they are internally and read that intuition correctly, then it certainly helps with the process. The rest of that is completely up to the player. How hungry are they? How much money do they want to make? What kind of legacy do they want to leave behind?

[Negrodamus]

Those guys are outliers, and drafting such types often results in losses. The essence of the draft is probability and making good bets.

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

Unless you're drafting in the high part of the lottery, isn't the draft really about finding players who can potentially be developed into solid role players as the floor, and 2nd/3rd 'stars' as the ceiling. Anything beyond that is like hitting the .... lottery.

Nope, because star traits usually trickle down into role players. Malcolm Brogdon wasn’t some off ball 3&D guy at Virginia, he was the lead guard. KCP was the dude at UGA. In fact, usually going after college role players usually leads to disappointment. Of course there are exceptions.

[mjkvol]

I do agree with you, particularly as it pertains to getting superstars. Jaylen Brown is a good 2nd star. Jerami Grant is a 3rd dude. If you want the superstars, they gotta hit most, if not all statistical markers from what I've seen. Would be hard to snag one at 15 though, particularly in this trash draft.

Unless you're drafting in the high part of the lottery, isn't the draft really about finding players who can potentially be developed into solid role players as the floor, and 2nd/3rd 'stars' as the ceiling. Anything beyond that is like hitting the .... lottery.

Nope, because star traits usually trickle down into role players. Malcolm Brogdon wasn’t some off ball 3&D guy at Virginia, he was the lead guard. KCP was the dude at UGA. In fact, usually going after college role players usually leads to disappointment. Of course there are exceptions.

Gotcha. But most 1st rounders were "the guy" or close to it at their school, so we're really talking about the same thing when drafting post-lottery, aren't we? Players who were generally 'stars' at the college level, but project as solid role players if they reach their ceilings as pros?

[Negrodamus]

Unless you're drafting in the high part of the lottery, isn't the draft really about finding players who can potentially be developed into solid role players as the floor, and 2nd/3rd 'stars' as the ceiling. Anything beyond that is like hitting the .... lottery.

Nope, because star traits usually trickle down into role players. Malcolm Brogdon wasn’t some off ball 3&D guy at Virginia, he was the lead guard. KCP was the dude at UGA. In fact, usually going after college role players usually leads to disappointment. Of course there are exceptions.

Gotcha. But most 1st rounders were "the guy" or close to it at their school, so we're really talking about the same thing when drafting post-lottery, aren't we? Players who were generally 'stars' at the college level, but project as solid role players if they reach their ceilings as pros?

Furphy, George, even Walter are the type of low usage, high assisted freshmen I’m wary of because they have close to no chance at being a star. Once again, there are exceptions, particularly with freshmen.

[Monix]

there aren't any stars in this draft