76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[billy bremner]

Just saw this

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Mikal Bridges Trade Idea:
- 76ers Receive:
Mikal Bridges (F)
- Nets Receive:
KJ Martin (F)
Jaden Springer (G)
Marcus Morris (F)
Two 1st Round Picks
Two 1st Round Picks Swaps
Could he be the missing piece for the title?

[youngcrev]

Just saw this

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Mikal Bridges Trade Idea:
- 76ers Receive:
Mikal Bridges (F)
- Nets Receive:
KJ Martin (F)
Jaden Springer (G)
Marcus Morris (F)
Two 1st Round Picks
Two 1st Round Picks Swaps
Could he be the missing piece for the title?

I've gotten tricked into watching this doofus before.

Bridges would be awesome, but the Nets don't seem to have any motivation to trade him. He'd be a great target if available. This is nothing more than a fantasy trade.

[Tony Franciosa]

Two picks and two swaps is absurd.

[Sixerscan]

Nets owe a bunch of unprotected picks for Harden still, they’re not trading their best player for draft picks.

[M2J]

Two picks and two swaps is absurd.

I would offer more. It's that valuable of a move from the Sixers standpoint given his contract, age and skillset. Perfect fit

And the Nets aren't trading him unless he asks, but that's because they're a idiotic franchise. His value will NEVER be higher than it is right now. Every year he gets older and that value contract gets shorter.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Shaq just said it!
First of all, I doubt anyone here is going to argue about Shaq being the most dominant center from the 90s on into the 2000s.
But...He just said it...Back in the day, he would differ to both Kobe and Wade when the game was on the line. He was a poor foul shooter and just not the guy you wanted taking the last shot. He even picked Lillard over Giannis when asked who on Milwaukee he would want taking the last shot. Again, that doesn't mean that Shaq/Giannis aren't MVP caliber, dominant players because they are. The same goes for Embiid and I certainly hope Shaq's words fell hard on the ears of Joel Embiid. Maxey...Needs to be that guy. Again, this is Joels team all day everyday, but when it comes down to the last shot of the game, it needs to be Maxey.

[76ciology]

Crazy how excited i want to watch Oubre play again with our team. Kelly f’n oubre

[76ciology]

Shaq just said it!
First of all, I doubt anyone here is going to argue about Shaq being the most dominant center from the 90s on into the 2000s.
But...He just said it...Back in the day, he would differ to both Kobe and Wade when the game was on the line. He was a poor foul shooter and just not the guy you wanted taking the last shot. He even picked Lillard over Giannis when asked who on Milwaukee he would want taking the last shot. Again, that doesn't mean that Shaq/Giannis aren't MVP caliber, dominant players because they are. The same goes for Embiid and I certainly hope Shaq's words fell hard on the ears of Joel Embiid. Maxey...Needs to be that guy. Again, this is Joels team all day everyday, but when it comes down to the last shot of the game, it needs to be Maxey.

But Giannis is nowhere as good as Embiid in shot creation while Maxey can’t score over anyone like Kobe. That is what make guys like SGA or Luka levels higher than Maxey, they can either or both shoot/post over anyone of their position.

I dont think Biid or Maxey should defer. They should just play together and take whatever the defense gives them. But if we need to make a shot, Biid should be number 1 option. Kind of like how Duncan was with the Spurs, but it doesnt necessarily mean that Spurs just keep dumping the ball to Duncan.

If Biid would defer to Maxey, our team would look like the Warriors/Kings where we just keep running off ball/screen plays for shooters then Embiid plays like Draymond/Donatas. You would not max out Embiid, I also think Embiid would not excel in this role because he doesnt have the passing and ball handling of a Draymond/Donatas.

And honestly, do you really believe Embiid would defer?

I think we have the perfect balance right now. Maxey knows he can’t be a 26ppg as an alpha, we saw it when Biid was out and the defense has their target on him. Maxey also wont be able to average 7apg without those pocket passes to Embiid.

[Wilfried]

Difference should be that you can't foul Joel, unlike Shaq or Giannis. So imo, you can use Jo as a primary option, if he can hold on to the ball. That's his biggest weakness. But if he can be aggressive, attack, draw a foul, ... it should be more than ok

[phillynative]

I think having another shotcreator/playmaker compliment Embiid and Maxey would fill in some weaknesses. That player doesn't have to be a star IMO

[youngcrev]

Shaq just said it!
First of all, I doubt anyone here is going to argue about Shaq being the most dominant center from the 90s on into the 2000s.
But...He just said it...Back in the day, he would differ to both Kobe and Wade when the game was on the line. He was a poor foul shooter and just not the guy you wanted taking the last shot. He even picked Lillard over Giannis when asked who on Milwaukee he would want taking the last shot. Again, that doesn't mean that Shaq/Giannis aren't MVP caliber, dominant players because they are. The same goes for Embiid and I certainly hope Shaq's words fell hard on the ears of Joel Embiid. Maxey...Needs to be that guy. Again, this is Joels team all day everyday, but when it comes down to the last shot of the game, it needs to be Maxey.

But Giannis is nowhere as good as Embiid in shot creation while Maxey can’t score over anyone like Kobe. That is what make guys like SGA or Luka levels higher than Maxey, they can either or both shoot/post over anyone of their position.

I dont think Biid or Maxey should defer. They should just play together and take whatever the defense gives them. But if we need to make a shot, Biid should be number 1 option. Kind of like how Duncan was with the Spurs, but it doesnt necessarily mean that Spurs just keep dumping the ball to Duncan.

If Biid would defer to Maxey, our team would look like the Warriors/Kings where we just keep running off ball/screen plays for shooters then Embiid plays like Draymond/Donatas. You would not max out Embiid, I also think Embiid would not excel in this role because he doesnt have the passing and ball handling of a Draymond/Donatas.

And honestly, do you really believe Embiid would defer?

I think we have the perfect balance right now. Maxey knows he can’t be a 26ppg as an alpha, we saw it when Biid was out and the defense has their target on him. Maxey also wont be able to average 7apg without those pocket passes to Embiid.

Yeah. I mean, I get it in terms of wanting the ball in the hands of a perimeter player and the previous trauma of late game failings... But Jo clearly has more of a bag in those situations than Shaq or Giannis, and doesn't have the same issues at the free throw line (in fact, you want him at the line), and it's hard for a little guy like Maxey to get his shot off in those situations. Sure, Dame does it, but he's taking like step backs at the logo to get space.

Agreed that you should just continue to work the 2 man game rather than relying on an iso.

I do get a little bit worried about Jo doing that stuff there though, with visions of someone like Jrue blowing up a DHO late game and getting a layup for the lead. Or committing a moving pick. Or just throwing it away...

But I think that's just my inner bitch taking over, which is how you end up with a hold the ball and take a contested jumper last play.

Those final play situations to win a game are so rare that how clutch a player is can be very skewed by sample size. They are also rare enough that we probably worry too much about it. More than anything, in late games, I think you just need guys that won't turn the ball over.

[youngcrev]

I think having another shotcreator/playmaker compliment Embiid and Maxey would fill in some weaknesses. That player doesn't have to be a star IMO

Yeah.

A guy that you can trust to make the right play, handle the ball, make an open shot, and at least be average defensively.

You're a Brogdon guy right? If he could stay healthy he'd be great. We know he can get the ball to Maxey in clutch situations...

[76ciology]

The problem is the league is different nowadays. The guys who can create and score efficiently wants more usage so they can get their 30-40M per year deals. Then wants they get their usage and money, they turn into Jordan Poole and Julius Randle.

9 times out of 10, you get a guy like Tobi wanting more usage because he’s getting almost 20 a game on elite %s. You need some OGs like him and Eric Gordon, and these guys are a dying breed.

Another thing is if we ever have that guy.. and this is what i worry the most.. would our chemistry be affected? Would Tobi and Oubre be OK giving up their usage?

That’s why Im ok if we just play it like the Celts or Nuggets. Have one alpha shot creator (Tatum/Biid/Jokic), one good to decent shot creator (Jaylen/Maxey/Jamal Murray), one decent shot creator (KP/Tobi/MPJ), then just run get action/dribble drive and take what the defense give us.

[Arsenal]

We don't need another alpha scorer. This team already has one of the top offenses in the league. Adding a guy like that only marginalizes guys we already have.

What we do need is a two-way secondary playmaker to take some of the creation load off Maxey and to push Pat Bev out of the rotation. That's basically it.

[Jailblazers7]

I’m definitely warming to the idea of a Brogdon trade. He’d be a perfect fit as someone who can lead bench units & play with the starters at SG.

[M2J]

We don't need another alpha scorer. This team already has one of the top offenses in the league. Adding a guy like that only marginalizes guys we already have.

What we do need is a two-way secondary playmaker to take some of the creation load off Maxey and to push Pat Bev out of the rotation. That's basically it.

I think they're having to carry too much on offense to play the type of defense they'll need to play and are capable of playing. Even Tobias, who has been so strong defensively in the Harden years, is taking a step back in effort. I would be more than okay with them all taking a step back and exerting more on defense. Tyrese playing less minutes of course, and the team not suffering during that time. Joel continue to be the focus of the offense, but more passive. He should be in a situation where he gets 30 when needed not getting it every night.

That’s why Im ok if we just play it like the Celts or Nuggets. Have one alpha shot creator (Tatum/Biid/Jokic), one good to decent shot creator (Jaylen/Maxey/Jamal Murray), one decent shot creator (KP/Tobi/MPJ), then just run get action/dribble drive and take what the defense give us.

My issue with that is that right now history says that you're probably #3 or #4 of the teams built like that when you get to the playoffs. Celtics, Nuggets, Bucks, even the Heat have proven they can get to or win the title round. It's just a fact. Going into it expecting something different is very possible, but not wise.

Sixers have a better system and better second option that's unleashed, but Celtics went and got #3 and#4 guys, and their big 2 are doing less, but they're certainly the favorites because of that move. Philly is fortunate to be in a situation where they can have the best player in the reigning MVP, comparable or better 2nd option, can add a #3 or #4 to Tobi and still have depth around them.... If they make the trade this season.

[the_process]

I’m definitely warming to the idea of a Brogdon trade. He’d be a perfect fit as someone who can lead bench units & play with the starters at SG.

Brogdon eats the cap space down to the 30's, is always hurt, and I'm guessing Portland isn't letting him go cheaply on top of all that.

[youngcrev]

I’m definitely warming to the idea of a Brogdon trade. He’d be a perfect fit as someone who can lead bench units & play with the starters at SG.

Brogdon eats the cap space down to the 30's, is always hurt, and I'm guessing Portland isn't letting him go cheaply on top of all that.

I thought they were projected to have like 70M?

Regardless, I think he makes a lot more sense as a secondary target if they're able to get their main one now, abandoning the cap space plan. That always felt more like a fallback if they can't get something done now anyway.

[phillynative]

The problem is the league is different nowadays. The guys who can create and score efficiently wants more usage so they can get their 30-40M per year deals. Then wants they get their usage and money, they turn into Jordan Poole and Julius Randle.

9 times out of 10, you get a guy like Tobi wanting more usage because he’s getting almost 20 a game on elite %s. You need some OGs like him and Eric Gordon, and these guys are a dying breed.

Another thing is if we ever have that guy.. and this is what i worry the most.. would our chemistry be affected? Would Tobi and Oubre be OK giving up their usage?

That’s why Im ok if we just play it like the Celts or Nuggets. Have one alpha shot creator (Tatum/Biid/Jokic), one good to decent shot creator (Jaylen/Maxey/Jamal Murray), one decent shot creator (KP/Tobi/MPJ), then just run get action/dribble drive and take what the defense give us.

Jamal Murray shot creation is up there with the best. Certainly better than Jaylen and Maxey.

[phillynative]

We don't need another alpha scorer. This team already has one of the top offenses in the league. Adding a guy like that only marginalizes guys we already have.

What we do need is a two-way secondary playmaker to take some of the creation load off Maxey and to push Pat Bev out of the rotation. That's basically it.

Brogdon