The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

HotSauce77 · Post #881 » by **HotSauce77** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:52 pm

We know what Thad is. I'm not sure at all what Jordan is. They would have to have a very high opinion of him to make a move like that. Plus, I'm not sure that the Clippers would risk moving Jordan, given Kaman's injury history and that they have no other center on the roster. Seems like it's a bad risk for both teams, but a worse one for the Sixers. Plus, if Jordan even so much as shows a pulse, we'll have to overpay him in free agency after next season or lose him. This isn't likely the case with Thad. Teams are much less likely to go crazy for a combo forward than they are for a center. Jordan can stink all season long and then have a good, if meaningless, 5 to 8 game run to end the season, and someone out there will give him 5 years and $35 million, if not more. Then we lose him for nothing or end up overpaying for a back up center. To make that move, Sixers would have to be pretty sold that Jordan is the starting center for the next 5 to 6 years, not just a developmental player for this season.

corwin · Post #882 » by **corwin** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:14 pm

Seems like we saw that movie before, starring Samuel Dalembert!

HotSauce77 · Post #883 » by **HotSauce77** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:23 am

Maybe he can play, but I am not sure he's even as good as Dalembert. He's a big body, but he doesn't move that well. Looks like a young Jerome James. That being said, he's very young, he hasn't played much, and I'm no scout. That kind of move would really take a lot of projection. As I said before, due to free agency and tendency of people to overpay bigs, Stefanski would have to be pretty certain Jordan will be our long term starting center to move Young for him.

KrazySixersD · Post #884 » by **KrazySixersD** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:53 am

at this point, i think the only big i would trade thad for would be gortat... i still think thad has so much potential, and dont want to lose that... iguodala's value is so much higher right now, i would rather trade him for some good pieces and keep thad as the 3

PhenomThad31 · Post #885 » by **PhenomThad31** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:18 pm

SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

Post #886 » by **dbodner** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:25 pm

PhenomThad31 wrote:SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

I'm pretty sure if there was ANY way to get Paul, including Turner, Stefanski would be all ears.

We don't have the pieces.

76ciology · Post #887 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:33 pm

As if CP3 wants to play with the 76ers..

WassaWassa · Post #888 » by **WassaWassa** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:50 pm

PhenomThad31 wrote:SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

How could you possibly expect to get a SUPER STAR without giving up Turner? Any trade for Paul (if even possible) starts with Turner and then requires a lot more.

PhillyFan · Post #889 » by **PhillyFan** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:59 pm

WassaWassa wrote:
PhenomThad31 wrote:SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

How could you possibly expect to get a SUPER STAR without giving up Turner? Any trade for Paul (if even possible) starts with Turner and then requires a lot more.

it is possible if we trade Tony Battie for him! plus a bag of Sixers official merchandise

PhenomThad31 · Post #890 » by **PhenomThad31** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:15 pm

dbodner wrote:
PhenomThad31 wrote:SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

I'm pretty sure if there was ANY way to get Paul, including Turner, Stefanski would be all ears.

We don't have the pieces.

We have more pieces that the favorites to land him the Knicks and Magic.

Sixersftw · Post #891 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:27 pm

WassaWassa wrote:How could you possibly expect to get a SUPER STAR without giving up Turner? Any trade for Paul (if even possible) starts with Turner and then requires a lot more.

I don't think that is necessarily true at all. Except for the Kg trade, the team trading the disgruntled superstar almost never gets the teams best young prospect. Not A.i., not Shaq, not Barkley etc etc. The Kg trade is a bit of an outlier too because the Celts didn't trade Rondo and their best prospect happened to play the same position as the star they where trading for.

Anyways, wouldn't want Chris Paul even if he wanted to be here. Trading for him would gut a team that is already light on talent and Paul has shown that he can't get it done w/ a more than trivial amount of help. We would be wasting his talent just as badly, if not worse, than the hornets. Now if we can get in on some of this backroom Cp3, Melo et al. action I'm in.

mg · Post #892 » by mg » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:59 pm

Exactly it would be ridiculous to trade assets for CP3 unless they had some kind of backroom knowledge that he would re-sign. Otherwise the Sixers end up screwed similar to Cle and Tor this year.

WassaWassa · Post #893 » by **WassaWassa** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:04 pm

Sixersftw wrote:
WassaWassa wrote:How could you possibly expect to get a SUPER STAR without giving up Turner? Any trade for Paul (if even possible) starts with Turner and then requires a lot more.

I don't think that is necessarily true at all. Except for the Kg trade, the team trading the disgruntled superstar almost never gets the teams best young prospect. Not A.i., not Shaq, not Barkley etc etc. The Kg trade is a bit of an outlier too because the Celts didn't trade Rondo and their best prospect happened to play the same position as the star they where trading for.

Anyways, wouldn't want Chris Paul even if he wanted to be here. Trading for him would gut a team that is already light on talent and Paul has shown that he can't get it done w/ a more than trivial amount of help. We would be wasting his talent just as badly, if not worse, than the hornets. Now if we can get in on some of this backroom Cp3, Melo et al. action I'm in.

I don't think you can compare those trades to Paul getting traded now. AI, Shaq, and Garnett all got traded towards the ends of their careers when their better days were behind them. AI and Shaq were even more different because of their character issues and the way they were handling their demands in the media.

Barkley is a total outlier. It was a trade from 20 years ago, the nba has changed a lot since then.

Paul is 25 years old, has not even come into his prime yet, is a top 5 or 6 player in the league, and still is under contract for 2 more seasons. He also hasn't come out and been a distraction to his team and been on tv trashing the hornets. Not to mention he does not have anywhere near the character issues that AI had when we traded him.

Personally, I would trade any combo of players on the team to get him. Winning in the nba is all about getting a superstar like Paul. Good players line up to play with the best pg in the league, as long as the ownership is not incredibly cheap. (New Orleans)

Sixersftw · Post #894 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:36 pm

Those are fair points about the age but each of those players did continue put up monster numbers for the duration of their time w/ their new teams (kg is probably on a continuous slide at this point). Also i think its no coincidence that 2 of them won championships in short succession so its not like their was no gas left in the tank.

If you want a direct comparison the best I can do is T-mac to Houston and that haul was pretty bad for ORL. T-mac is pretty similar to Paul both were/are young top 10 players who were/are disgruntled w/ his teams losing ways but not pulling an A.I. Orl didn't get Dwight or Jameer for Tmac.

edit: Btw, Paul is going to be a huge distraction regardless of his actions. At this point the media will turn anything of this nature into a circus.

Post #895 » by **dbodner** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:39 pm

PhenomThad31 wrote:
dbodner wrote:
PhenomThad31 wrote:SF76,

Tell your boy, to tell Stefanski to tell comcast/Snyder that if he wants sell outs, a marketable superstar and a competitive team trade for CP3(only Turner off limits).

I'm pretty sure if there was ANY way to get Paul, including Turner, Stefanski would be all ears.

We don't have the pieces.

We have more pieces that the favorites to land him the Knicks and Magic.

Cap space is a huge piece.

corwin · Post #896 » by **corwin** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:56 pm

SF, we need something to talk about. Could you ask your friend the names of the other veteran bigs that the team considered before signing Battie?

Point-God · Post #897 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:01 pm

I'd trade everything for CP3 if it meant that we could move Brand. We would probably be able to keep Iguodala. Without going to the trade checker I'd trade Brand, Thad, Turner, Jrue, and Speights for CP3 and anyone who has a contract with less than three seasons remaining.

sixerswillrule · Post #898 » by **sixerswillrule** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:21 pm

Great, so we would have Paul, Iguodala, and...no one.

Skeletor · Post #899 » by **Skeletor** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:23 pm

dbodner wrote:
PhenomThad31 wrote:
dbodner wrote:
I'm pretty sure if there was ANY way to get Paul, including Turner, Stefanski would be all ears.

We don't have the pieces.

We have more pieces that the favorites to land him the Knicks and Magic.

Cap space is a huge piece.

As well as the inclination to take on a bad contract such as Tyson Chandler

Point-God · Post #900 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:32 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Great, so we would have Paul, Iguodala, and...no one.

If you remove the "promise" tag from our players, we currently have "Iguodala, and...no one."
Players around here wear their "promise" tags a little longer than in other cities. People are still holding out hope that Thad and Speights develop into better than average starters... It will not happen...