Around the league 2016-2017

TheAntiTrump · Post #881 » by **TheAntiTrump** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:47 pm

I might be okay with Mills if we did not have Bayless here on his deal. Mills is maybe a little better shooter then Bayless. Although Bayless has Mills on size, length and athleticism.

76ciology · Post #882 » by **76ciology** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:14 am

Remember back then Dragic was trying to be Nash 2.0? I think this time, Curry is to Nash and DLo is to Dragic.

GoSixersBro · Post #883 » by **GoSixersBro** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:56 am

Devin Booker dropped 70 points in Boston tonight ...

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eagereyez · Post #884 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:08 am

GoSixersBro wrote:Devin Booker dropped 70 points in Boston tonight ...

Watch on YouTube

I remember some poster here recently saying that they wouldn't want him on our team, because of his defense lol. And this kid is still only 20 years old.

Post #885 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:24 am

eagereyez wrote:I remember some poster here recently saying that they wouldn't want him on our team, because of his defense lol. And this kid is still only 20 years old.

Certainly would take him on our team, would fit well, but I still don't believe that he's very good.

He has these freaky, amazing performances (especially tonight's) that excites the NBA, but then most of the games in between there's so many that he shoots his team out of and he doesn't play defense or do much else. That's fine, but it's going to be difficult for him to be an impactful superstar imo.

Last handful of games leading up to tonight he's averaged 17 ppg on 5.5 fgm to 20.25 fga. Then BOOM! 70 points, lol.

eagereyez · Post #886 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:32 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
eagereyez wrote:I remember some poster here recently saying that they wouldn't want him on our team, because of his defense lol. And this kid is still only 20 years old.

Certainly would take him on our team, would fit well, but I still don't believe that he's very good.

He has these freaky, amazing performances (especially tonight's) that excites the NBA, but then most of the games in between there's so many that he shoots his team out of and he doesn't play defense or do much else. That's fine, but it's going to be difficult for him to be an impactful superstar imo.

Last handful of games leading up to tonight he's averaged 17 ppg on 5.5 fgm to 20.25 fga.

He's also young for a sophomore. He's almost a full year younger than D'Angelo Russell. He was the youngest player in the NBA last year. I don't think he's a winning basketball player right now, but the kid's ceiling is insanely high.

Slizeezyc · Post #887 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:36 am

eagereyez wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
eagereyez wrote:I remember some poster here recently saying that they wouldn't want him on our team, because of his defense lol. And this kid is still only 20 years old.

Certainly would take him on our team, would fit well, but I still don't believe that he's very good.

He has these freaky, amazing performances (especially tonight's) that excites the NBA, but then most of the games in between there's so many that he shoots his team out of and he doesn't play defense or do much else. That's fine, but it's going to be difficult for him to be an impactful superstar imo.

Last handful of games leading up to tonight he's averaged 17 ppg on 5.5 fgm to 20.25 fga.

He's also young for a sophomore. He's almost a full year younger than D'Angelo Russell. He was the youngest player in the NBA last year. I don't think he's a winning basketball player right now, but the kid's ceiling is insanely high.

It all depends on what you think the ceiling entails I imagine. An all-scoring guard who can't handle playmaking duties enough has a very clear ceiling these days. So you'd need to be sold on the playmaking, or ability to turn himself from a major net-negative defender into a positive one (he has decent size, decent wingspan), or surround him Kyrie-style with a ball-dominant star. He also needs to actually be at least average shooting 3s -- but probably actually near 40% to be a boss.

(I'm not trying to hate on Booker, more just pointing to some of the potential long-term issues. His youth is certainly a big thing in his favor.)

Kobblehead · Post #888 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:37 pm

Devin Booker is barely even a net positive on the offensive end (0.1 OBPM). Marginal ball skills and no discernible distributing ability. Not to mention being trash on the defensive end.

So he dropped a really high scoring number in a double digit loss in a game with a million possessions.

Two years into his NBA career and he's still providing significantly below replacement level play.

He's only 20, though. Maybe one day he and Andrew Wiggins will actually not be awful basketball players merely putting up empty production.

TheAntiTrump · Post #889 » by **TheAntiTrump** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:04 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Devin Booker is barely even a net positive on the offensive end (0.1 OBPM). Marginal ball skills and no discernible distributing ability. Not to mention being trash on the defensive end.

So he dropped a really high scoring number in a double digit loss in a game with a million possessions.

Two years into his NBA career and he's still providing significantly below replacement level play.

He's only 20, though. Maybe one day he and Andrew Wiggins will actually not be awful basketball players merely putting up empty production.

Great post sir. And I could not agree more. Booker is a good scorer, and could be useful on a team that actually had some defensive players to protect him. But on the Suns with their style, his stats are purely empty stats. And as for Wiggins, and Minnesota. I mean when you consider they have him for 3 years now. A KAT who is averaging almost 25Pts and 12 Boards. A Zach Lavine, who I know has been Injured, but still. Not to mention a Vet PG in Rubio, and several other young NBA Vets who have been there for a few years, I mean it is amazing that the Sixers are just ONE game worse then they are. And we have had a rookie in Embiid who has barely played consistent minutes or games. No Simmone, No Bayless, a Center situation that is a mess with what was Noel/Okafor. A starting PG who was undrafted, and who a lot of people think is some scrub player who came off the TV screen from an episode of " The White Shadow " ( TJ ) And yet we might end up winning 3X's the W's we had last year.

Just goes to show everyone how much Grit & determination this team has.

76ciology · Post #890 » by **76ciology** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 am

Are bigs better off as playmakers+spacers nowadays like Jokic or how the Celtics bigs combined for 17 assists in todays game against the Heat?

If you can pull out opposing C from the paint, it eases pressure in scoring in the paint. It also allows more scoring from the perimeter, which is the more preferred way in scoring nowadays.

I just noticed the increasing assists numbers of the bigs, most evident was Nurkic after he transferred to the Blazers.

GopherIt! · Post #891 » by **GopherIt!** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:23 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Great post sir. And I could not agree more. Booker is a good scorer, and could be useful on a team that actually had some defensive players to protect him. But on the Suns with their style, his stats are purely empty stats. And as for Wiggins, and Minnesota. I mean when you consider they have him for 3 years now. A KAT who is averaging almost 25Pts and 12 Boards. A Zach Lavine, who I know has been Injured, but still. Not to mention a Vet PG in Rubio, and several other young NBA Vets who have been there for a few years, I mean it is amazing that the Sixers are just ONE game worse then they are. And we have had a rookie in Embiid who has barely played consistent minutes or games. No Simmone, No Bayless, a Center situation that is a mess with what was Noel/Okafor. A starting PG who was undrafted, and who a lot of people think is some scrub player who came off the TV screen from an episode of " The White Shadow " ( TJ ) And yet we might end up winning 3X's the W's we had last year.

Just goes to show everyone how much Grit & determination this team has.

Minny has no real vets who are doing anyrhing productive. Ricky is the closest thing but he's had a ton of adversity to overcome in his 5 years here.

unlike Booker, Wiggins man D is actually very good. He can be very disruptive w his length & athleticism. What hurts him most on defense is a lack of strength against bigger SFs. As he gets stronger he won't be as easy to push around. Booker doesn't have the length nor athleticism to make the jump defensively Wiggins can.

The Wolves team D also had really nice stretch recently against the best teams in the league. Wolves were even #1 in a variety of metrics. They are definitely improving there including Wiggs.

I credit a lot of this to coaching.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, no Wolf will benefit more long term from Thibs coaching than Andrew Wiggins.

In summary, I do not see a Booker/Wiggins comparison having much merit.

Sorry to hear about RoCo. We lost Zach not that long ago. Losing key youngins is frustrating. Your teams injury woes reminds me of the Wolves a few years ago when Foye, Brewer, Big Al, Love, Flynn, + others, each got hurt in their 2nd season.

gl the rest of the season

76ciology · Post #892 » by **76ciology** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:04 am

I hope Aaron Gordon and Elfrid keeps it up and get them some meaningless wins with all these gimmick level competition basketball

76ciology · Post #893 » by **76ciology** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:53 pm

Noel is getting career best Reb% w/ Mavs at reb 18%. Shawn Long is providing better defensive impact (team plays much better D when Long is on court) than Noel on D for our team.

Post #894 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:31 am

Rondo flopped then played dead, lol.

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76ciology · Post #895 » by **76ciology** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 1:53 am

I know Pels have crappy role players. But my gut feel tells me that they are having a hard time winning by staying away from the pace and space and favoring the twin tower game

XtremeDunkz · Post #896 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:33 am

76ciology wrote:I know Pels have crappy role players. But my gut feel tells me that they are having a hard time winning by staying away from the pace and space and favoring the twin tower game

That's my problem with the NBA. You should be able to play different styles and compete. Teams should be different. NBA is getting really boring.

76ciology · Post #897 » by **76ciology** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:54 am

76ciology wrote:I know Pels have crappy role players. But my gut feel tells me that they are having a hard time winning by staying away from the pace and space and favoring the twin tower game

Put that level of statline from.DMC and AD on Steph and Klay, with similar role players, I think they would have won against the Nuggets. I'll.go as far and low as Dame and CJ.

the_process · Post #898 » by **the_process** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 12:48 pm

76ciology wrote:
76ciology wrote:I know Pels have crappy role players. But my gut feel tells me that they are having a hard time winning by staying away from the pace and space and favoring the twin tower game

Put that level of statline from.DMC and AD on Steph and Klay, with similar role players, I think they would have won against the Nuggets. I'll.go as far and low as Dame and CJ.

I disagree. The Pelicans' fourth best player is probably Solomon Hill.

Let that soak in.

Solomon.
Hill.

Of course they're a 35 win team, they only have 3 players.

Post #899 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 12:58 pm

Give them an offseason and a training camp to learn how to play together. This is another example of why teams don't want to trade anything for good players during the season, it's not easy to just completely change your offense and defense on the fly like this.

76ciology · Post #900 » by **76ciology** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:03 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
76ciology wrote:I know Pels have crappy role players. But my gut feel tells me that they are having a hard time winning by staying away from the pace and space and favoring the twin tower game

Put that level of statline from.DMC and AD on Steph and Klay, with similar role players, I think they would have won against the Nuggets. I'll.go as far and low as Dame and CJ.

I disagree. The Pelicans' fourth best player is probably Solomon Hill.

Let that soak in.

Solomon.
Hill.

Of course they're a 35 win team, they only have 3 players.

Replace AD and DMC with Lilliard and CJ, which is a downgrade in talent

Jrue
Lilliard
Solomon Hill
Terrence Jones? Montiejunas?
Ajinca? Asik?

6th man: CJ

*they can even go follow our route and sign Poythress at the 4 and Shawn Long at the 5

I just think this will be a much better winning team.