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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#881 » by JudahMax » Mon May 31, 2021 4:23 pm

rzzzzz wrote:Let’s make this easy. Suppose, for the rest of the playoffs, the Sixers could keep Joel, or trade him for any other player in the league. Would you keep him? If not, who would you trade him for?



What type of goofy make believe question is this?
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#882 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 4:56 pm

Embiid has been hot trash, defensively, in the playoffs. His rim protection has been laughable. That said, he might be the single most dominant offensive player right there with Kawhi in the first round.
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Post#883 » by VDT » Mon May 31, 2021 5:07 pm

Embiid is not going to be very aggressive defensively precisely because he is the first option offensively. What he does, basically raising his hands and sometimes contesting by jumping straight up, makes sense. Him playing more aggressively and picking up a couple of fouls early would be much worse. He also conserves some energy that way. In the 4th quarter, when the game is usually decided, he can afford to be more aggressive with his defense.
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Post#884 » by 76ciology » Mon May 31, 2021 7:23 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Embiid has been hot trash, defensively, in the playoffs. His rim protection has been laughable. That said, he might be the single most dominant offensive player right there with Kawhi in the first round.


Saving energy and not risking injuries. I also noticed he’s not rebounding the ball that much. Remember how he used to make chase down blocks a lot before?

Personally, i dont mind. As long as he can score like dirk and MJ while still make us a great defensive team whenever he’s on the floor.
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Post#885 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 7:26 pm

That's the logic behind it, but it does not make it acceptable. This team will go nowhere with Embiid playing this level of defense. And relying on the on/off switch is extremely risky and usually doesn't work out well. Embiid better wake up defensively in game 4 and commit the rest of the way.
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Post#886 » by 76ciology » Mon May 31, 2021 7:29 pm

Kobblehead wrote:That's the logic behind it, but it does not make it acceptable. This team will go nowhere with Embiid playing this level of defense. And relying on the on/off switch is extremely risky and usually doesn't work out well. Embiid better wake up defensively in game 4 and commit the rest of the way.


He will play defense when its needed.

I mean come on. Wiz probably would still have a hard time scoring against us even if Okafor is playing at the C position :lol:
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#887 » by eyeatoma » Mon May 31, 2021 9:13 pm

Kobblehead wrote:That's the logic behind it, but it does not make it acceptable. This team will go nowhere with Embiid playing this level of defense. And relying on the on/off switch is extremely risky and usually doesn't work out well. Embiid better wake up defensively in game 4 and commit the rest of the way.



Embiid brings the defense when he needs to and that's what he's done all season. He doesn't really need to be a defensive savant in this series.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#888 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 31, 2021 9:31 pm

I mean he's just basing this on his blocks and rebounds, which in general have suspect correlation to defense and certainly not over an 84 minute sample size. There's been no issue with Embiid's defense.
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Post#889 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 9:58 pm

Sixerscan wrote:I mean he's just basing this on his blocks and rebounds, which in general have suspect correlation to defense and certainly not over an 84 minute sample size. There's been no issue with Embiid's defense.

His rim protection has been garbage. Look at the points in the paint the Wizards are getting in this series. And if you think it's normal for Joel Embiid to only have 2 blocks in 3 total playoff games, you must have forgot how good a defender Embiid has been in previous playoff runs.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#890 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 31, 2021 10:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:I mean he's just basing this on his blocks and rebounds, which in general have suspect correlation to defense and certainly not over an 84 minute sample size. There's been no issue with Embiid's defense.

His rim protection has been garbage. Look at the points in the paint the Wizards are getting in this series. And if you think it's normal for Joel Embiid to only have 2 blocks in 3 total playoff games, you must have forgot how good a defender Embiid has been in previous playoff runs.


The point isn't that it is or isn't "normal" the point is it's not a large enough sample size to mean anything. You're talking about something that happens like 2% of possessions. And with those points in the paint did you even bother to compare how the team is doing with Embiid in the game versus not? You don't have the foggiest idea how to use statistics and yet you base your entire analysis on them and act like you are absolutely right about everything, it's annoying. Just watch the games.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#891 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 10:08 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:I mean he's just basing this on his blocks and rebounds, which in general have suspect correlation to defense and certainly not over an 84 minute sample size. There's been no issue with Embiid's defense.

His rim protection has been garbage. Look at the points in the paint the Wizards are getting in this series. And if you think it's normal for Joel Embiid to only have 2 blocks in 3 total playoff games, you must have forgot how good a defender Embiid has been in previous playoff runs.


The point isn't that it is or isn't "normal" the point is it's not a large enough sample size to mean anything. You're talking about something that happens like 2% of possessions. And with those points in the paint did you even bother to compare how the team is doing with Embiid in the game versus not? You don't have the foggiest idea how to use statistics and yet you base your entire analysis on them and act like you are absolutely right about everything, it's annoying.

You brought up statistics, I didn't say anything about them. Speaking of foggy...
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#892 » by Stanford » Mon May 31, 2021 10:09 pm

I did think his rim protection was really bad in the first game. Much improved after that.

source: I watched the games!
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#893 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 pm

Embiid can get by on playing trash-tier defense against the Wizards because they're the saddest excuse for a playoff team in the whole league this year. If people think his effort and effectiveness is going to fly once we start playing real teams, they're in for a rude awakening. For those thinking he can flip the switch, that's fine, maybe he can. But this defense he's playing right now is terrible and not acceptable, I don't care what his offensive workload is.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#894 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 31, 2021 10:15 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:His rim protection has been garbage. Look at the points in the paint the Wizards are getting in this series. And if you think it's normal for Joel Embiid to only have 2 blocks in 3 total playoff games, you must have forgot how good a defender Embiid has been in previous playoff runs.


The point isn't that it is or isn't "normal" the point is it's not a large enough sample size to mean anything. You're talking about something that happens like 2% of possessions. And with those points in the paint did you even bother to compare how the team is doing with Embiid in the game versus not? You don't have the foggiest idea how to use statistics and yet you base your entire analysis on them and act like you are absolutely right about everything, it's annoying.

You brought up statistics, I didn't say anything about them. Speaking of foggy...

I brought them up because it's obvious what your "opinions" are based on at this point. So rather than beating around the bush I just addressed the underlying assumption behind your post.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#895 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 10:22 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
The point isn't that it is or isn't "normal" the point is it's not a large enough sample size to mean anything. You're talking about something that happens like 2% of possessions. And with those points in the paint did you even bother to compare how the team is doing with Embiid in the game versus not? You don't have the foggiest idea how to use statistics and yet you base your entire analysis on them and act like you are absolutely right about everything, it's annoying.

You brought up statistics, I didn't say anything about them. Speaking of foggy...

I brought them up because it's obvious what your "opinions" are based on at this point. So rather than beating around the bush I just addressed the underlying assumption behind your post.

Wait, seriously? You're getting yourself worked up on an imaginary conversation with me that you've conjured up?
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#896 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 31, 2021 10:28 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:You brought up statistics, I didn't say anything about them. Speaking of foggy...

I brought them up because it's obvious what your "opinions" are based on at this point. So rather than beating around the bush I just addressed the underlying assumption behind your post.

Wait, seriously? You're getting yourself worked up on an imaginary conversation with me that you've conjured up?

I notice you’re not refuting what I said...
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#897 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 31, 2021 11:00 pm

You said there's been no issue with Embiid's defense. Why refute what you said in response to something I never said when you can't even acknowledge a single issue with what he's shown defensively through the first three games?
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#898 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 1, 2021 6:36 am

This is why I wanted Embiid to win the MVP. Just so he wont overload himself in regular season and be able to scratch that MVP itch.

Embiid should be treated like how Yao was with the Rox.

And Embiid has been smart in changing his game on both end to be more or as effective with less load on his body.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#899 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Jun 1, 2021 2:46 pm

But defense doesn't matter, it is all about scoring on the ball...
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#900 » by GutUNC » Tue Jun 1, 2021 3:32 pm

I'm honestly not worried about this injury.....but I'd also like to just see the Shams tweet confirming he's ok.
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