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Post#881 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:22 pm

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Who will attack them? Ben? Thybulle? That's the problem with playing offensive zeros.


Run Seth-Tobi or Ben 2 man game then let Tobi or Ben attack the smaller guard


We can't let Ben attack anyone because they'll just foul him and he'll miss 2 free throws.

There's an order of magnitude difference between shooting 60% vs. 30% FTs. The latter makes you completely USELESS on offense.


True.

And down the stretch Ben not wanting to handle the ball, kind of also messed with our halfcourt offense.
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Post#882 » by Skates » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:31 am

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Who will attack them? Ben? Thybulle? That's the problem with playing offensive zeros.


Run Seth-Tobi or Ben 2 man game then let Tobi or Ben attack the smaller guard


We can't let Ben attack anyone because they'll just foul him and he'll miss 2 free throws.

There's an order of magnitude difference between shooting 60% vs. 30% FTs. The latter makes you completely USELESS on offense.


I knew exactly who the Sixers had that could attack the basket and the kid who always attacks the basket finally got playing time and the ball. Great game by Maxey, on defense too, and that isn’t even counting the three pointer they took away from him because of Dwight clowning.
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Post#883 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:03 am

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Run Seth-Tobi or Ben 2 man game then let Tobi or Ben attack the smaller guard


We can't let Ben attack anyone because they'll just foul him and he'll miss 2 free throws.

There's an order of magnitude difference between shooting 60% vs. 30% FTs. The latter makes you completely USELESS on offense.


I knew exactly who the Sixers had that could attack the basket and the kid who always attacks the basket finally got playing time and the ball. Great game by Maxey, on defense too, and that isn’t even counting the three pointer they took away from him because of Dwight clowning.


The kid balled out tonight when we needed it most. Tyrese Maxey is going to be something special in this league.
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Post#884 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:30 am

Love how Seth is playing right now.

But is Hawks’ midget size guard-wing positions allowing Seth to shoot this well or can we expect this to continue in the next rounds?
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Post#886 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:26 pm

Rudy, Ben, and Thybulle are all unplayable at the end of games unless it’s situational. Embiid is the only DPOY candidate that is playable. Says something about the worth of defenders in the NBA.
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Post#887 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:02 pm

76ciology wrote:Love how Seth is playing right now.

But is Hawks’ midget size guard-wing positions allowing Seth to shoot this well or can we expect this to continue in the next rounds?

You have to get him open like you did JJ Redick.
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76ciology wrote:Love how Seth is playing right now.

But is Hawks’ midget size guard-wing positions allowing Seth to shoot this well or can we expect this to continue in the next rounds?

You have to get him open like you did JJ Redick.


He’s been doing great with the iverson cut set we’re running. I think he can get some good looks specially if its Kyrie who will be chasing him
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Post#889 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:07 pm

76ciology wrote:Love how Seth is playing right now.

But is Hawks’ midget size guard-wing positions allowing Seth to shoot this well or can we expect this to continue in the next rounds?


Hawks midget backcourt and terrible transition D is why.

Nets D isn't anything special so he could put up numbers.

Bucks D will be tougher. Wouldn't expect Curry to dominate against them.
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Post#890 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:08 pm

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76ciology wrote:Love how Seth is playing right now.

But is Hawks’ midget size guard-wing positions allowing Seth to shoot this well or can we expect this to continue in the next rounds?

You have to get him open like you did JJ Redick.


He’s been doing great with the iverson cut set we’re running. I think he can get some good looks specially if its Kyrie who will be chasing him


Definitely. We need to attack the hobbled Kyrie and Harden by running them through endless picks chasing Curry.

The best defense is a good offense.
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Post#892 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:22 pm

The team can now move forward having identified the ingredients it needs to win in the playoffs:

1) Running the offense through Maxey and Milton at PG instead of Simmons.
2) Creating open looks for Seth Curry and for Korkmaz in that spot off the bench.
3) Using Embiid in the low post and as a rim protector defensively.
4) Using Harris as a scoring option offensively when opposing teams focus on all of the above.

That's a balanced, "coming at you from all angles" offense that can win games in the playoffs.

I don't care what you do with Ben Simmons. He can sit on the bench all game for all I care. The above options are the winning ones.
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Post#893 » by kriss73 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:44 pm

It feels like the Sixers are 6-0 this round: the beat the Hawks 3 times and they beat themselves 3 times.

Digging a grave to themselves in game 1, and blowing away 2 leads in game 4 and 5 (the last one historical at home).

I'm not a great T.Young fan: I get the logo's threes and the p&r with Capela....but we should attach him on evrey possession when he is on defense.
The last 2 games of the serie are the only two in which he had a positive +/-. 2 out of 6.

The Hawks can defend well as a team for short stretches and they can go hot from 3 .
This and our low IQ as a team it's why this serie is still open and it could still go south.
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Post#894 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:49 pm

kriss73 wrote:It fells like the Sixers are 6-0 this round: the beat the Hawks 3 times and they beat themselves 3 times.

Digging a grave tio themselves in game 1, and blowing away 2 leads in game 4 and 5 (the last one historical at home).

I'm not a great T.Young fan: I get the logo's threes and the p&r with Capela....but we should attach him on evrey possession when he is on defense.
The last 2 games of the serie are the only one in which he had a positive +/-. 2 out o 6.

The Hawks can defend well as a team for short stretches and they can go hot from 3 .
This and our low IQ as a team it's why this serie is still open and it could still go south.

Hacking Capela should definitely become an integral part of the team's late-game strategy. There's no reason we should be allowing 3P shots from good shooters in those situations when Capela is likely to convert only one point from the FT line. Blow him out of the game with that strategy and then go to Embiid down low against a rummy offensively.
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Post#895 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:58 pm

Yeah, I'd give it right back to them. Foul Capela as soon as it feels like they're about to get in rhythm or go on a run. Let him clunk a few foul shots. And For the love of God, can we see Embiid posterize John Collins one good time!
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Post#896 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:24 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:The team can now move forward having identified the ingredients it needs to win in the playoffs:

1) Running the offense through Maxey and Milton at PG instead of Simmons.
2) Creating open looks for Seth Curry and for Korkmaz in that spot off the bench.
3) Using Embiid in the low post and as a rim protector defensively.
4) Using Harris as a scoring option offensively when opposing teams focus on all of the above.

That's a balanced, "coming at you from all angles" offense that can win games in the playoffs.

I don't care what you do with Ben Simmons. He can sit on the bench all game for all I care. The above options are the winning ones.


Every tactic you use, you have to ask what it accomplishes and whether the same thing could have been accomplished more cheaply. Do you need to send in the whole battalion where a handful of soldiers would do? Is this the job for a scout? Do you need to pull out the big guns and show up with your whole army?


You run what gets you here. And just be aware of the counters you can do if what you’re running isnt working.

You still start Ben. You let him do his job. If offense is hard to come by, then you make changes.

I dont agree with running with your best option from the get go. What happens when its being denied or if its not working? What will be your back-up?

I like how Doc is running things. For instance end of game, his philosophy is.. if Ben makes his FTs, he stays. If Ben hurts the team with missing those shots, then he leaves the court.

G5, to end the game Thybulle run with the starters. It hurt us. G6, he let GHill run with the starters. Then he let Maxey run with the starters.

He paired seth and tobi with the bench unit. Then when Maxey was in a roll, he then paired Maxey and Tobi with the bench unit. That allows Seth to be paired with Biid and Ben.

G6, he gave Tobi a bigger role. By crunch time, Biid was struggling. It allowed us to rely on Tobi down the stretch.

As a coach you need to know ALL the hands you can play and when to play them. That separates amateurs like Brett and pros like Doc.
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Post#897 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:25 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Yeah, I'd give it right back to them. Foul Capela as soon as it feels like they're about to get in rhythm or go on a run. Let him clunk a few foul shots. And For the love of God, can we see Embiid posterize John Collins one good time!


This.

Yeah I though that one was also a smart move by the team.
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Post#898 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:50 pm

76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The team can now move forward having identified the ingredients it needs to win in the playoffs:

1) Running the offense through Maxey and Milton at PG instead of Simmons.
2) Creating open looks for Seth Curry and for Korkmaz in that spot off the bench.
3) Using Embiid in the low post and as a rim protector defensively.
4) Using Harris as a scoring option offensively when opposing teams focus on all of the above.

That's a balanced, "coming at you from all angles" offense that can win games in the playoffs.

I don't care what you do with Ben Simmons. He can sit on the bench all game for all I care. The above options are the winning ones.


Every tactic you use, you have to ask what it accomplishes and whether the same thing could have been accomplished more cheaply. Do you need to send in the whole battalion where a handful of soldiers would do? Is this the job for a scout? Do you need to pull out the big guns and show up with your whole army?


You run what gets you here. And just be aware of the counters you can do if what you’re running isnt working.

You still start Ben. You let him do his job. If offense is hard to come by, then you make changes.

I dont agree with running with your best option from the get go. What happens when its being denied or if its not working? What will be your back-up?

I like how Doc is running things. For instance end of game, his philosophy is.. if Ben makes his FTs, he stays. If Ben hurts the team with missing those shots, then he leaves the court.

G5, to end the game Thybulle run with the starters. It hurt us. G6, he let GHill run with the starters. Then he let Maxey run with the starters.

He paired seth and tobi with the bench unit. Then when Maxey was in a roll, he then paired Maxey and Tobi with the bench unit. That allows Seth to be paired with Biid and Ben.

G6, he gave Tobi a bigger role. By crunch time, Biid was struggling. It allowed us to rely on Tobi down the stretch.

As a coach you need to know ALL the hands you can play and when to play them. That separates amateurs like Brett and pros like Doc.

Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.
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Post#900 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:33 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
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Ferry Avenue wrote:The team can now move forward having identified the ingredients it needs to win in the playoffs:

1) Running the offense through Maxey and Milton at PG instead of Simmons.
2) Creating open looks for Seth Curry and for Korkmaz in that spot off the bench.
3) Using Embiid in the low post and as a rim protector defensively.
4) Using Harris as a scoring option offensively when opposing teams focus on all of the above.

That's a balanced, "coming at you from all angles" offense that can win games in the playoffs.

I don't care what you do with Ben Simmons. He can sit on the bench all game for all I care. The above options are the winning ones.


Every tactic you use, you have to ask what it accomplishes and whether the same thing could have been accomplished more cheaply. Do you need to send in the whole battalion where a handful of soldiers would do? Is this the job for a scout? Do you need to pull out the big guns and show up with your whole army?


You run what gets you here. And just be aware of the counters you can do if what you’re running isnt working.

You still start Ben. You let him do his job. If offense is hard to come by, then you make changes.

I dont agree with running with your best option from the get go. What happens when its being denied or if its not working? What will be your back-up?

I like how Doc is running things. For instance end of game, his philosophy is.. if Ben makes his FTs, he stays. If Ben hurts the team with missing those shots, then he leaves the court.

G5, to end the game Thybulle run with the starters. It hurt us. G6, he let GHill run with the starters. Then he let Maxey run with the starters.

He paired seth and tobi with the bench unit. Then when Maxey was in a roll, he then paired Maxey and Tobi with the bench unit. That allows Seth to be paired with Biid and Ben.

G6, he gave Tobi a bigger role. By crunch time, Biid was struggling. It allowed us to rely on Tobi down the stretch.

As a coach you need to know ALL the hands you can play and when to play them. That separates amateurs like Brett and pros like Doc.

Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.
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