76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[the_process]

I’m definitely warming to the idea of a Brogdon trade. He’d be a perfect fit as someone who can lead bench units & play with the starters at SG.

Brogdon eats the cap space down to the 30's, is always hurt, and I'm guessing Portland isn't letting him go cheaply on top of all that.

I thought they were projected to have like 70M?

Regardless, I think he makes a lot more sense as a secondary target if they're able to get their main one now, abandoning the cap space plan. That always felt more like a fallback if they can't get something done now anyway.

High 50's last I saw. Brogdon brings that to the mid 30's.

I don't see any "difference maker" Morey is going to be able to acquire prior to the deadline. I think it's either a trade on draft night (where they can deal five 1sts) or they go into FA hoping for the best. Most teams will not be selling. There are not more than 6 sellers (probably less) this year, and two of them (Masai, Ainge) are consistently more ridiculous with their prices than Morey. The price of parity. Of course, this is what Silver wants: no tanking. Which also means no trades.

They will just get under the tax. Maybe if we're lucky Morey grabs another ballhandler, but is on record saying there's no point to that because they won't crack the rotation anyway.

[Jailblazers7]

They will just get under the tax. Maybe if we're lucky Morey grabs another ballhandler, but is on record saying there's no point to that because they won't crack the rotation anyway.

His tendency to write off a full third of the roster is by far his biggest blindspot. You’d think I guy that into analytics would care more about finding value at the margins.

[youngcrev]

Brogdon eats the cap space down to the 30's, is always hurt, and I'm guessing Portland isn't letting him go cheaply on top of all that.

I thought they were projected to have like 70M?

Regardless, I think he makes a lot more sense as a secondary target if they're able to get their main one now, abandoning the cap space plan. That always felt more like a fallback if they can't get something done now anyway.

High 50's last I saw. Brogdon brings that to the mid 30's.

I don't see any "difference maker" Morey is going to be able to acquire prior to the deadline. I think it's either a trade on draft night (where they can deal five 1sts) or they go into FA hoping for the best. Most teams will not be selling. There are not more than 6 sellers (probably less) this year, and two of them (Masai, Ainge) are consistently more ridiculous with their prices than Morey. The price of parity. Of course, this is what Silver wants: no tanking. Which also means no trades.

They will just get under the tax. Maybe if we're lucky Morey grabs another ballhandler, but is on record saying there's no point to that because they won't crack the rotation anyway.

You think?

Honestly, I'd be pretty surprised if Morey just sat on his hands, particularly if we're still towards the top of the standings.

As for Morey's quote on a ball handler, I think he pretty clearly recognizes it as a need, and was saying that player would need to be good enough crack the rotation as a reason why he hasn't just grabbed someone off the street.

[zaz102]

My baseline somewhat realistic targets are Delon Wright and OG/Markkenen.

Wright can play 3&D when paired with Maxey and can be the primary ball handler when Maxey's on the bench.

OG and Markkenen can slot in well with Maxey and Embiid, albeit in different ways. I'm OK with whatever they do with Harris (trade for a package that includes a decent role player), ride with him and let him go in the offseason or try to get him on a discount. Obviously, he makes too much money to swap if either of these targets are THE trade.

You'd have a strong 9 man rotation. Oubre and Covington would switch out depending if you need offense or defense.

C: Embiid / Reed
F: OG or Markkanen & Harris / Batum, Oubre, Covington
G: Maxey & Melton / Wright

[76ciology]

The problem is the league is different nowadays. The guys who can create and score efficiently wants more usage so they can get their 30-40M per year deals. Then wants they get their usage and money, they turn into Jordan Poole and Julius Randle.

9 times out of 10, you get a guy like Tobi wanting more usage because he’s getting almost 20 a game on elite %s. You need some OGs like him and Eric Gordon, and these guys are a dying breed.

Another thing is if we ever have that guy.. and this is what i worry the most.. would our chemistry be affected? Would Tobi and Oubre be OK giving up their usage?

That’s why Im ok if we just play it like the Celts or Nuggets. Have one alpha shot creator (Tatum/Biid/Jokic), one good to decent shot creator (Jaylen/Maxey/Jamal Murray), one decent shot creator (KP/Tobi/MPJ), then just run get action/dribble drive and take what the defense give us.

Jamal Murray shot creation is up there with the best. Certainly better than Jaylen and Maxey.

If Maxey keeps this up, I think he can be as good. Comparing Murray last season and Maxey this season, both are getting around the same number in iso scoring.

[76ciology]

My baseline somewhat UNrealistic targets are Delon Wright and OG/Markkenen.

Wright can play 3&D when paired with Maxey and can be the primary ball handler when Maxey's on the bench.

OG and Markkenen can slot in well with Maxey and Embiid, albeit in different ways. I'm OK with whatever they do with Harris (trade for a package that includes a decent role player), ride with him and let him go in the offseason or try to get him on a discount. Obviously, he makes too much money to swap if either of these targets are THE trade.

You'd have a strong 9 man rotation. Oubre and Covington would switch out depending if you need offense or defense.

C: Embiid / Reed
F: OG & Markkanen / Batum, Oubre, Covington
G: Maxey & Melton / Wright

FIFY

peace

[zaz102]

My baseline somewhat UNrealistic targets are Delon Wright and OG/Markkenen.

Wright can play 3&D when paired with Maxey and can be the primary ball handler when Maxey's on the bench.

OG and Markkenen can slot in well with Maxey and Embiid, albeit in different ways. I'm OK with whatever they do with Harris (trade for a package that includes a decent role player), ride with him and let him go in the offseason or try to get him on a discount. Obviously, he makes too much money to swap if either of these targets are THE trade.

You'd have a strong 9 man rotation. Oubre and Covington would switch out depending if you need offense or defense.

C: Embiid / Reed
F: OG & Markkanen / Batum, Oubre, Covington
G: Maxey & Melton / Wright

FIFY

peace

I meant Wright and OG OR Markkanen. Do you think neither is realistic?

[76ciology]

Only Brogdon trade Im OK with is if we trade Kork and Morris. No picks. Blazers do it for cap relief.

Brogdon
Maxey
Batum
Tobias
Embiid

Bench:
Oubre, Roco, Melton and Reed

Then split Brogdon/Maxey’s minutes. Possibly end game with Melton&Oubre in the place of Brogdon&Batum

But in the bigger scheme of things it wont make sense because we’d hurt our cap space play in the offseason.

I’d rather go after someone cheaper. Like maybe TJ or Nembhard. Maybe Elfrid Payton? Javonte Carter?

[76ciology]

My baseline somewhat UNrealistic targets are Delon Wright and OG/Markkenen.

Wright can play 3&D when paired with Maxey and can be the primary ball handler when Maxey's on the bench.

OG and Markkenen can slot in well with Maxey and Embiid, albeit in different ways. I'm OK with whatever they do with Harris (trade for a package that includes a decent role player), ride with him and let him go in the offseason or try to get him on a discount. Obviously, he makes too much money to swap if either of these targets are THE trade.

You'd have a strong 9 man rotation. Oubre and Covington would switch out depending if you need offense or defense.

C: Embiid / Reed
F: OG & Markkanen / Batum, Oubre, Covington
G: Maxey & Melton / Wright

FIFY

peace

I meant Wright and OG OR Markkanen. Do you think neither is realistic?

Oh.. if OR and not & then its realistic.

I think wright is just gonna loop us back into the problem because of his flaw on offense

[76ciology]

1st round picks we can use for trade:
2026 Sixers pick swap
2026 OKC 1st round pick
2028 Sixers pick swap
2028 LAC 1st round pick
2029 LAC 1st round pick (via swap)
2030 Sixers pick swap

Do i get it right? 3 swaps and 3 1st round picks.

If we wait till the offseason, we can add the 2024 1st round pick and 2031 1st round pick.

[Arsenal]

Brogdon can be dumped for pure cap next summer if needed to sign a star FA. So he actually doesn't stop our "cap space" fallback plan next summer.

In fact, it's better to have him here under contract in case we decide to stay over the cap, which is more realistic and a better potential path to getting another star player without gutting our depth.

[mjkvol]

I really wonder if Memphis will try to undo their Marcus Smart decision after their horrible start this season. Would probably prefer him to the other attainable targets this season. Brogdon would still be my other choice. Still don’t think it’s wise to trade picks for OG or Siakam.

Lavine and Smart are the two automatic no's IMO. Smart is the all-time fool's gold type player, which the Grizzlies are already finding out. His reputation got bloated on the Celtics with a stacked team around him, and only fools believing all the "dawg" garbage from his antics really think he could be a difference maker.

[mjkvol]

I really wonder if Memphis will try to undo their Marcus Smart decision after their horrible start this season. Would probably prefer him to the other attainable targets this season. Brogdon would still be my other choice. Still don’t think it’s wise to trade picks for OG or Siakam.

Lavine and Smart are the two automatic no's IMO. Smart is the all-time fool's gold type player, which the Grizzlies are already finding out. His reputation got bloated on the Celtics with a stacked team around him, and only fools believing all the "dawg" garbage from his antics really think he could be a difference maker. He is PJ Tucker all over again with added on-court buffoonery.

[M2J]

I really wonder if Memphis will try to undo their Marcus Smart decision after their horrible start this season. Would probably prefer him to the other attainable targets this season. Brogdon would still be my other choice. Still don’t think it’s wise to trade picks for OG or Siakam.

Lavine and Smart are the two automatic no's IMO. Smart is the all-time fool's gold type player, which the Grizzlies are already finding out. His reputation got bloated on the Celtics with a stacked team around him, and only fools believing all the "dawg" garbage from his antics really think he could be a difference maker. He is PJ Tucker all over again with added on-court buffoonery.

And 1 for the Smart part but the Lavine part.

Speaking of:

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_exec_gets_brutally_honest_on_trade_value_of_bulls_stars_zach_lavine_demar_derozan/s1_17149_39603152

Both LaVine and DeRozan are expected to be traded by the Bulls before the February trade deadline.

“I think Zach LaVine can get a first back, maybe another first-round pick if it’s in this draft since it’s so weak,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype. “DeMar DeRozan is worth a first in this draft in the 20s since it’s a weak draft, and he’s unrestricted at the end of the season. He can be a third scorer on a winning team. I think he’s got some gas left in the tank.”

The OKC first, couple of 2nds, Springer and filler

[mjkvol]

I really wonder if Memphis will try to undo their Marcus Smart decision after their horrible start this season. Would probably prefer him to the other attainable targets this season. Brogdon would still be my other choice. Still don’t think it’s wise to trade picks for OG or Siakam.

Lavine and Smart are the two automatic no's IMO. Smart is the all-time fool's gold type player, which the Grizzlies are already finding out. His reputation got bloated on the Celtics with a stacked team around him, and only fools believing all the "dawg" garbage from his antics really think he could be a difference maker. He is PJ Tucker all over again with added on-court buffoonery.

And 1 for the Smart part but the Lavine part.

Speaking of:

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_exec_gets_brutally_honest_on_trade_value_of_bulls_stars_zach_lavine_demar_derozan/s1_17149_39603152

Both LaVine and DeRozan are expected to be traded by the Bulls before the February trade deadline.

“I think Zach LaVine can get a first back, maybe another first-round pick if it’s in this draft since it’s so weak,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype. “DeMar DeRozan is worth a first in this draft in the 20s since it’s a weak draft, and he’s unrestricted at the end of the season. He can be a third scorer on a winning team. I think he’s got some gas left in the tank.”

The OKC first, couple of 2nds, Springer and filler

For Lavine? Hell no - if anything, they should be giving us picks for taking that hideous contract, and it would still be no.

I'd be fine with a trade for DeRozan, a guy who can play on or off ball, get his own shot, and is an expiring. It wouldn't cost nearly the silly price you're willing to drop for Lavine, and I'm not giving up Springer for anyone but a solid long term piece like OG.

[Negrodamus]

It's gonna be DeRozan, but I think we'll get him for even less. He's expiring, they suck, he won't resign with them unless they drop a massive deal. It'll likely take longer than I'd like to see, but he'd be a nice third option heading into the playoffs.

Kork, Morris, and House with a top 25 protected first that turns into 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey for DeRozan. The only way they'll do better is if there's a major market for him.

[M2J]

It's gonna be DeRozan, but I think we'll get him for even less. He's expiring, they suck, he won't resign with them unless they drop a massive deal. It'll likely take longer than I'd like to see, but he'd be a nice third option heading into the playoffs.

Kork, Morris, and House with a top 25 protected first that turns into 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey for DeRozan. The only way they'll do better is if there's a major market for him.

Not really feeling DeRozan, why give up anything if you don't plan to sign him in off season. Keeping Tobias makes more sense than DeRozan with his 3pt shooting and lack of defense

[the_process]

It's gonna be DeRozan, but I think we'll get him for even less. He's expiring, they suck, he won't resign with them unless they drop a massive deal. It'll likely take longer than I'd like to see, but he'd be a nice third option heading into the playoffs.

Kork, Morris, and House with a top 25 protected first that turns into 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey for DeRozan. The only way they'll do better is if there's a major market for him.

As I don't think there will be a lot of sellers... another team probably beats that offer.

[Negrodamus]

It's gonna be DeRozan, but I think we'll get him for even less. He's expiring, they suck, he won't resign with them unless they drop a massive deal. It'll likely take longer than I'd like to see, but he'd be a nice third option heading into the playoffs.

Kork, Morris, and House with a top 25 protected first that turns into 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey for DeRozan. The only way they'll do better is if there's a major market for him.

Not really feeling DeRozan, why give up anything if you don't plan to sign him in off season. Keeping Tobias makes more sense than DeRozan with his 3pt shooting and lack of defense

Because we're trying to win and he's a scoring/distributing SF with on-ball capabilities. Losing Kork, Morris, and House would be negligible and we'd have an offense that can function when Embiid and/or Maxey are on the bench.

Also, it's not guaranteed we wouldn't resign him to a cap friendly deal in the offseason. Not sure what his priorities are at this stage of his career.

[SixthStreet]

DeRozan seems like a good fit between this year and future outlook/flexibility. But he'll be pursued for that reason by other contenders. Our advantage is we have a better group of expiring salaries than most contenders do and that might help us get a deal done with fewer assets. I think we have a good shot.